I always had the impression that SOME heroes (left) of Descent 2 were too big, compared to others (right)... now Runebound confirmed this fear: 4 of these heroes (center) have been reprinted in the correct scale...

The olds have better sculps, but the new are in correct scale... which you would use in Descent?

https://imageshack.com/i/pmC1NS2pj

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If you plan on painting them, the bigger miniatures might be more fun to paint. Also I think the difference is small enough to not really notice it while playing. Imo the only really noticable case is the supposedly fragile elf-ranger in the newest pack that is bigger and sturdier than the warriors.

So I think it doesn't matter too much if warriors and dwarves are a bit bigger, rangers might be problematic.

I'm a professional painter:

1) this difference doesn't matter to have "easier" painting;

2) this difference matter (mutch) for the reputation of professional producer as FFG;

The size of the 3 last villains is RIDICULOUS!!

https://imageshack.com/i/pmEFq8P8j

I'm a professional painter:

1) this difference doesn't matter to have "easier" painting;

2) this difference matter (mutch) for the reputation of professional producer as FFG;

I thought you were asking what YOU should use in Descent and I meant that I would paint the version that I had more fun with (regardless of what's easier to paint). Also imo apart from a few exceptions, I think this change in dimensions isn't that visible during playing the game hence I think it doesn't matter too much when actually playing the game.

If you want to talk about FFG's reputation that's a different story. Sadly after Labyrinth of Ruin, the miniature consistency for Descent is all over the place. Shadow of Nerekhall has notoriously bad hero miniatures, they started to change the poses and clothes-detail between hero-sheet artwork and miniature significantly since SoN and the miniature quality of the H&M packs extremely varies between each pack. Yet Descent's game-design continues to evolve from expansion to expansion and the overall aesthetic and thematic aspects of the game seem to be constant enough to not interfere with gameplay (which is why most people buy these products despite the irregularities and I think a lot of people who don't paint the minaitures don't even see the difference).

But let's not forget that Descent 2ed is out since 2012 and continously recieves new products and new gameplay-innovations. Also it seems like Imperial Assault was FFG's beginning of producing bigger miniatures and it seems that FFG is struggling ever since with their miniature size consistency for Descent.

All in all I would prefer the miniatures to be consistent (who wouldn't), but since FFG is continously so good at innovating this game from a gameplay perspective, while improving the thematic integartion into gameplay, I get the expansions anyway and enjoy them greatly, but yeah, there is a certain sour taste to it and I feel that for the prices FFG asks for their products, miniature consistency should be a given (although I find the consistency in game-design innovation much more important).

edit: Also keep in mind that the worst offenders, the lieutenants for an expansion are an extreme niche-product that most likely is sold so little that they won't impact FFG's reputation at all.

The size of Descent minis seems to be getting larger and larger, which I am fine with. Personally I feel the core set was undersized, rather than the new ones being oversized. It seems that they had sized the core set to match the Farrows, which were previously sculpted for Descent 1. But the minis started getting bigger pretty much right away, IMO.

The size of Descent minis seems to be getting larger and larger, which I am fine with. Personally I feel the core set was undersized, rather than the new ones being oversized. It seems that they had sized the core set to match the Farrows, which were previously sculpted for Descent 1. But the minis started getting bigger pretty much right away, IMO.

I don't mind bigger figures.

What I hate is the fact that they're not all the same size. It's jarring and annoying, and makes everything look like it was assembled from lost parts, stitched together like some kind of Frankenstein's boardgame.

[...] a certain sour taste to it and I feel that for the prices FFG asks for their products, miniature consistency should be a given (although I find the consistency in game-design innovation much more important).

edit: Also keep in mind that the worst offenders, the lieutenants for an expansion are an extreme niche-product that most likely is sold so little that they won't impact FFG's reputation at all.

I dunno, as far as expansions go, it's all niche products on a niche market. I think it's definitely an issue, and shouldn't be considered an extreme niche-product. Those that are already fans of more advanced boardgames and those that are fans of Descent are more likely to get various expansion material than the average consumer of a more average item, on a more average market.

That is, niche consumers are much more likely to consume niched products within their niche. Based on the availability of many lieutenant sets (or lack thereof), I'd say that many Lieutenants are far more popular than the Hero & Monster Collections.

The monsters are much smaller then the 1st Edition, even the bases. so everything seems to get in a smaller scale, not a larger one.

There is some scale creep it appears on the most recent packs such as the new lieutenants and shards of everdark. However i just bought treaty of champions and the heroes are the same size as the rest i have from core through to the expansion boxes except for the dwarf who is large when set next to another dwarf. It could be that isolated items are bigger scale or just that all future models will be bigger scale now.

I felt Runebound 3rd edition was largely in scale with Descent 2nd which was good. I will test this for certain though when i get Jonas from the web expansion.

As for the latest lieutenants i dont mind them bigger as much as i do heroes, i bought ardus l'erebus and was happy that he was a bit larger, after all he is special character with history and which should take more than one hero to bring down, so being a bit bigger and threatening may be justified. Perhaps i find this harder to justify this with the other two though.

The monsters are much smaller then the 1st Edition, even the bases. so everything seems to get in a smaller scale, not a larger one.

No, within Descent 2nd Ed. itself, the sizes are definitely erratic and have become larger over time, as showcased.

Yes, things are getting bigger. I, for one, prefer the newer miniatures to the older ones. So the scale issue, while disappointing, makes me dislike the older miniatures rather than dislike the newer miniatures. I prefer the newer size, the newer style, and the newer subjects. But that's just me.

I prefer them a little bit bigger as well. But I was curious to see in the picture of the OP that the bases of some figures have a structure as well. Are these from Runebound? I like it

Since the begining (1st edition) all hero and some monters are small compared to the usual D&D minis, but It's fine. But change scale on the the same game isn't the best option in my opinion. Like someone told in some thread, grizban is looking like a gnome instead, now. The monsters can change scale, I don't see a problem (except the humanoids), but to change hero's scales isn't good at all.

I prefer them a little bit bigger as well. But I was curious to see in the picture of the OP that the bases of some figures have a structure as well. Are these from Runebound? I like it

Yes, things are getting bigger. I, for one, prefer the newer miniatures to the older ones. So the scale issue, while disappointing, makes me dislike the older miniatures rather than dislike the newer miniatures. I prefer the newer size, the newer style, and the newer subjects. But that's just me.

I do too, and had they been using that from the beginning, it would've been great. But as it stands, it's absolutely awful, and completely unforgiveable.

We are many to be according to the fact that the new figures are better, the problem is not here, tough !

The trouble is about the size moving inside a single same game, and on that point too, we are many to be according to.

Let's hope now FFG will listen (or read technicaly)

Now when I think of it, Reanimates are also quite large given the fact that these are human skeletons.

And I agree, change of scale is a no-go. There will be no changes for the Descent minis which are already out, thats for sure. But maybe FFG thinks about this issue for future games.

I have most of the Descent 2e products now, and yes the base game hero minis are decidely smaller than the newer H&M hero minis. My one consolation is that the newer minis are now of the same scale as most other proxy minis, such as Reaper Bones minis.