HOLD UP!!! Was that Warwick Davis in a pilot suit??? AWESOME!!!

Maybe he will be an Ewok pilot.

Yub yub, Commander.

Yub yub indeed.

Why did the laughing thing with an MG remind me of the "GET SOME!" guy from Full metal jacket?

Because that's what it's meant to remind you of?

I propose that the new X-wing pilot, for now and forever, be known only as "Ginger Biggs".

I propose that the new X-wing pilot, for now and forever, be known only as "Ginger Biggs".

"Giggs" for short.

Chino

I feel 100% the same. It sounds like they nailled it and the execs decided it wasn't family friendly enough.

You can appreciate that though, given that it's Star Wars and they have just created a film that got a lot of new people very excited about Star Wars.

Maybe they will do a directors cut Blu Ray

LFL did a whole lot of damage control, particularly through EW, claiming that no, really, they were not changing the tone of the movie these reports are completely unfounded. And maybe that was just damage control and the tone really did change and all that. Okay. Grant that premise. If they wanted a lighter, more family-friendly tone, why would they have made that story reel? The great majority of that is scenes of intense action, with the sheen of grit you get in war movies. Much of the rest is Imperials standing around menacingly.

Either their PR department is totally incompetent (and from TFA we know they are not) or there just might be something to the notion that they're still going for gritty.

So in addition to having the actress who played mon mothma in revenge of the sith (cut scenes), and a character from the clone wars tv show, we now also possibly have jimmy smits back as bail organa!!

Is it wrong to be more excited for Rogue One then I was for the Force Awakens?

I feel the same way.

Nope... I think a lot of us feel that way Brother.

I'm excited about it because it doesn't involve a Skywalker as a main character in this movie. I might be wrong. but I didn't see a lightsaber in any clips Maybe in the movie, but again, not a major case of involvement.

Is it wrong to be more excited for Rogue One then I was for the Force Awakens?

I feel the same way.

Nope... I think a lot of us feel that way Brother.

I'm excited about it because it doesn't involve a Skywalker as a main character in this movie. I might be wrong. but I didn't see a lightsaber in any clips Maybe in the movie, but again, not a major case of involvement.

It will have a "skywalker" as a minor character though...possibly with a lightsaber!

I propose that the new X-wing pilot, for now and forever, be known only as "Ginger Biggs".

Sounds like a character from the triple X parody of Star Wars.

Well I'm super excited to see more Mon Calamari, and I honestly love the beach assault Stormtroopers. The last place I thought I'd see a Stormtrooper, but so great.

The thing is what people seem to think was a lazy copy paste was not that at all. It was an homage, and a brilliant one at that, it was poetic parity and a great way to launch a new generation in to the universe, it was absolutely a Star Wars film from the opening shot and it does have some dumb stuff in it, but so do all the other films.

I am admittedly on the fence about Daisy, but she's no worse than Mark Hamill was really. I actually wonder if she wasn't deliberately trying to channel Hamill since she's playing Luke's clone.

As for John Boy and Driver and Ford I thought they were good. I believed their characters at least. Han broke my heart to bits.

I don't know if you are a big fan of the OT or not, but if you are I can only think it must be some serious rose tinted glasses that make you think TFA doesn't bellong in their league.

Blind fan-boy is what you seem to be, pretending homage is the excuse for a sh*tty copy paste effect.

I fail to see how a blatant copy-paste is anything but that, a COPY-PASTE.

It has star-wars feel to it, sure, fine, fair enough. and it has, just like any star wars move bad dialogue and bad script, but the effects look cool, and people just like sheeple take that for "a good movie".

The producers could have chosen anyone who did not have a potty English posh accent, and it detracts severely from the portrayal of her character. Flimsy character building throughout the movie doesn't help either.

Hamill's acting has been nondescript in this movie, and I am anxious to see what he acts out in the next, if he is in it.

John Boy is lame, he kills any empirical troops with no compunctions yet goes cry-baby when he has to kill as ordered, meh, he should not kill at all if that was realistic.

Driver is just a lame arse tantrum boy, his betrayal of a "character" is beyond worse, it's an atrocity to acting.

Han was to gullible for a seasoned veteran rogue smuggler/ general? who has to deal with his sith-tantrum son, bull...

And nope a great fan of the OT, I am a generic fan of the whole genre, but not any individual movie-episodes of this series.

Edit: the only acting in most of the star wars movies is not up to scratch compared to decent nowadays movies, good actors are expensive, but it begs the question, why if this genre grosses so much profits, why they don't bother getting better actors (or writers, for that matter), really????

Please keep the nerd rage circle jerk to PMs.

This trailer/behind the scene did look awesome. I cant wait.

Please keep the nerd rage circle jerk to PMs.

This trailer/behind the scene did look awesome. I cant wait.

Tell that to the person whom I replied to equally so please

Yes, the trailer in the OP has some promising aspects

Blind fan-boy is what you seem to be,

Trust me I'm not a blind fan boy. I respond well to movie makers that respect the audience and don't think they are just idiots that like explosions and guns and action.

I've been a Star Trek fan since birth and I cannot abide the new films they have zero respect for the fans and are all about appealing to the masses with this new "geeks are cool" attitude. I imagine we are on the same page about action and explosions replacing logical coherent story telling.

Star Trek has mostly been about those things, about exploring interesting sci-fi ideas and telling interesting stories within a mostly well established canon.

The thing is though, Star Wars was always been about super cool space fights and laser swords and space magic and TFA checked all those boxes. Watching that scene on Jaku with the Falcon was for me just awesome.

When I talk about Star Wars I do really only mean the OT too, because despite being in love with those films i've never really looked at the Legends and I didn't like the Prequels. I was 13 when Episode 1 came out and loved Star Wars, and when I watched that film at the Cinema I should have loved it, but I didn't i hated almost everything about it and it hurt me bad. I though they had ruined everything. MIDICHLORIANS! I screamed. I was a brand new teenager though so everything felt like the end of the world back then.

The producers could have chosen anyone who did not have a potty English posh accent, and it detracts severely from the portrayal of her character.

Are you like racist or something? Daisy is English and spoke in something pretty close to her regular accent, I don't know i you are american or just used to the fake English accents you seen in most TV and Film but her accent was fine, coming from an englishman.

I think that the relatively unknown cast was another deliberate (and probably good) decision, I think that casting such big people in the prequels was another of the litany of mistakes, Ewan, Liam, Sam Jackson they made it feel really strange to watch, I guess because Luke Skywalker IS Luke Skywalker etc.

As for Daisy using her English accent, remember that Jhon Boy in aslo English and was told to be American in the film so it's possible Daisys accent is significant to her identity or another of the many teasers and false leads, which all makes the film quite exciting as we are about to step in to the new and unknown.

I fail to see how a blatant copy-paste is anything but that, a COPY-PASTE.

We could break it down scene by scene and point out how each "copy paste" scene is different in a host of different ways but let's not. The thing is that they could do whatever they wanted with this film and they made a huge effort in set creation, prop building, etc. etc, I can't see why you would assume that a similar amount of effort wasn't made in this respect too.

Yes, there's mirrors of a lot of what happens in this film to the OT and part of that was knowing that it's a winning formula, another part of that, I suspect, is wanting Rey's story to have parallels to Luke's, but also differences, the scenes and backdrop do resemble ANH, ESB and RotJ (and that is neat to fans, and shouldn't really ruin anything for not so much fans) but what happens in those scenes and the story of the film IS different. Yes you can write a passage that describes the film and make it indistinguishable from the others, but then you can also do that with lots of stories.

So These 3 points... make it sound like you are the fan boy?

John Boy is lame, he kills any empirical troops with no compunctions yet goes cry-baby when he has to kill as ordered, meh, he should not kill at all if that was realistic.

It's the other way around though isn't it. He made a choice not to murder a village full of innocent people

. He also made a choice to fight against the people that were responsible for killing said village. Only after Rey was in trouble though. He was ready to run away from the killing, about to in fact. That's called a character arc, it's a trope for sure, but it's an endearing one.

This kind of attitude makes it sound like you don't know that everything isn't black and white, right or wrong. Like you don't know that people have to make hard choices that don't always agree with what they believe in. It's like you want 1 dimensional characterless when you were quite clear that you don't want 1D characters.

Driver is just a lame arse tantrum boy, his betrayal of a "character" is beyond worse, it's an atrocity to acting.

Again this seems like you don't understand the real world that we live in. You talk about films are just action and coolness and explosions now days, but when you are presented with an interesting character you poo poo it becasue you want want Coolness and action?

I think he represents a lot of the fears that parents have for their own kids, and also "Lore" wise is a much more believable portrayal of a Sith. Remember it's anger and Hate that fuel the dark side. Ren as a volatile, angry and unpredictable baddie is in some ways way more scary than the calm collected matter fact badness of Vader.

He portrays exactly what he is meant to portray, a corrupted child, lured from the light by feeding in to a teenagers rebellious feeling towards their parents and the attractiveness of the secret shameful family history. Maybe you don't like winey kids but they are REAL things, this isn't made up it's brilliant and believable arc for the child of two heroes of the galaxy.

Han was to gullible for a seasoned veteran rogue smuggler/ general? who has to deal with his sith-tantrum son, bull...

Again, Han's story was one of utter heartbreak, the shame of a failed parent, the fact that he had to live with the atrocity that his OWN SON committed. I don't know what you mean by gullible but I think that you missed a trick if you think Han didn't know what Ben was about to do out on that bridge.

"I went back to doing the only thing i was ever good at" Jesus man, that was painful.

He knew what Ren neeed of him and in that moment helping his son deal with his inner turmoil and at the same time begin released from his own must have seemed very attractive.

TFA was not just dumb action film to apease the Sheeple masses. Yes films are going further towards thrills and explosions and coming away from exploring characters and plots but just because that's true it doesn't mean there aren't GOOD examples of action films with explosions.

I think they made this super fun action film that loads of people loved back in 1977, it had laser guns and light sword fights and lots of people running around, and nonsense space magic and it ended with space ships flyign in to ACTION against giant massive death ball that EXPLODED, and man that film was awesome.

I can't really remember what it was called. But you probably wouldn't like it since it was all explosions and action for sheeples.

I think the Abomination which will be a Marvel/Star Wars Crossover will happen, basically because someone somewhere high up, will say a Han Solo/Wolverine is a thing will happen.

It will be terrible and will make billions of dollars because why not.

This is when a new core set will come out. All will fear and love it, brought out in pure darkness with round ears.

Back when Disney bought Marvel, I was expecting "Magnet Vs Mickey Mouse" in a fortnight or less. Happily, it did not happen. I'm less worried about Disney's handling of Star Wars precisely because they DIDN'T F%^&* with the Marvel formula too much.

Is it wrong to be more excited for Rogue One then I was for the Force Awakens?

If loving Rogue One is wrong, then I don't want to be right! This is the SW movie I've been hoping for since 1983. I hope Die MausHaus doesn't insist on softening it TOO much.

Is it wrong to be more excited for Rogue One then I was for the Force Awakens?

If loving Rogue One is wrong, then I don't want to be right! This is the SW movie I've been hoping for since 1983. I hope Die MausHaus doesn't insist on softening it TOO much.

Sigh.. All the hate towards Disney is anethema to me. Disney owns Marvel, you know what else is in the Marvel cinematic universe? Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Those are decidedly kid un-friendly.

This it not Haterade bro, it's a cautious concern. Disney has a vested interest in managing and preserving the Star Wars brand. It is not only their RIGHT, but their RESPONSIBILITY to do so. Marvel can maintain an artificial firewall between Deadpool and Spiderman by not featuring them together, and because most people have (or HAD - until a few months ago) no idea what the hell Deadpool was about. There is NO WAY that a Star Wars movie will be released without 8 year-olds flocking to it.

In lieu of that.... Disney ordered MASSIVE reshoots to Rogue One. Reportedly this was about "tone" not disapproval at the quality of the shots or the script. This movie is necessarily dealing with darker subject matter than the central saga. I'm hoping that they get the balance right. It is going to be a VERY tricky task.

People who expect Star Wars to be Shakespeare are a bit silly. Star Wars is a fairly generic good vs. evil Sci-Fi formula that just works on some level that's hard to quantify. If it's high drama you're looking for, check out the indies at Cannes that the critics rave about but nobody but film snobs watch. Me, I'll just enjoy Star Wars for what it is - a fun romp through a galaxy far, far away. Nothing more, nothing less.

People who expect Star Wars to be Shakespeare are a bit silly. Star Wars is a fairly generic good vs. evil Sci-Fi formula that just works on some level that's hard to quantify. If it's high drama you're looking for, check out the indies at Cannes that the critics rave about but nobody but film snobs watch. Me, I'll just enjoy Star Wars for what it is - a fun romp through a galaxy far, far away. Nothing more, nothing less.

I got back into Star Wars because of the NJO series. The Vong were the first breathe of fresh air since the Thrawn trilogy, and most people can't even begin to grasp a rdecent Grimdark story even if Aaron-Dembski Baldwin smacked them in the face.Or Edgar Allen Poe returning to write about the empty release of death, but that's not so much grimdark as it is subtle realizations.

Quite honestly, it's not even just watering the franchise down, it's the overall disdain for quality. Rogue One sounds like a b-rated action flick, and Force Awakened was such a poorly written rehash, I refuse to watch it. It's high time they hired people to make grey-area and older themed Star Wars things on the side while they keep **** like Rebels for kids, because willywashing the entire franchise further into family-oriented crap is an excuse for people who can hire talent.

So yeah, I won't be watching Rogue One, hopefully one of you people can enjoy it.

No one cares about your children's books for children. Star Wars is 3 films they made in the 70s/80s and one in 2015

Honestly, this trailer makes me pretty excited for the movie even though it's mostly behind the scenes footage. I like how this movie is gonna star the "normal" soldiers of the Rebellion fighting against the Stormtroopers and Imperial special forces. It reminds me of Gundam: The 08th MS Team.

No one cares about your children's books for children. Star Wars is 3 films they made in the 70s/80s and one in 2015

Lots of people care. Also, Star Wars is children's films for children...

I just finished reading Vector Prime and was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. However, I can't ever remember a time where Star Wars films and TV shows weren't family-oriented. If anything, Rogue One looks to be as close to the edge as Star Wars films will ever get.

No one cares about your children's books for children. Star Wars is 3 films they made in the 70s/80s and one in 2015

Lots of people care. Also, Star Wars is children's films for children...

I know. I was just trying to point out how silly it was to try and claim TFA is rubbish because its like the actual Star Wars films rather than some book.

Blind fan-boy is what you seem to be,

1)Trust me I'm not a blind fan boy. I respond well to movie makers that respect the audience and don't think they are just idiots that like explosions and guns and action.

I've been a Star Trek fan since birth and I cannot abide the new films they have zero respect for the fans and are all about appealing to the masses with this new "geeks are cool" attitude. I imagine we are on the same page about action and explosions replacing logical coherent story telling.

Star Trek has mostly been about those things, about exploring interesting sci-fi ideas and telling interesting stories within a mostly well established canon.

The thing is though, Star Wars was always been about super cool space fights and laser swords and space magic and TFA checked all those boxes. Watching that scene on Jaku with the Falcon was for me just awesome.

When I talk about Star Wars I do really only mean the OT too, because despite being in love with those films i've never really looked at the Legends and I didn't like the Prequels. I was 13 when Episode 1 came out and loved Star Wars, and when I watched that film at the Cinema I should have loved it, but I didn't i hated almost everything about it and it hurt me bad. I though they had ruined everything. MIDICHLORIANS! I screamed. I was a brand new teenager though so everything felt like the end of the world back then.

The producers could have chosen anyone who did not have a potty English posh accent, and it detracts severely from the portrayal of her character.

2) Are you like racist or something? Daisy is English and spoke in something pretty close to her regular accent, I don't know i you are american or just used to the fake English accents you seen in most TV and Film but her accent was fine, coming from an englishman.

I think that the relatively unknown cast was another deliberate (and probably good) decision, I think that casting such big people in the prequels was another of the litany of mistakes, Ewan, Liam, Sam Jackson they made it feel really strange to watch, I guess because Luke Skywalker IS Luke Skywalker etc.

As for Daisy using her English accent, remember that Jhon Boy in aslo English and was told to be American in the film so it's possible Daisys accent is significant to her identity or another of the many teasers and false leads, which all makes the film quite exciting as we are about to step in to the new and unknown.

I fail to see how a blatant copy-paste is anything but that, a COPY-PASTE.

3) We could break it down scene by scene and point out how each "copy paste" scene is different in a host of different ways but let's not. The thing is that they could do whatever they wanted with this film and they made a huge effort in set creation, prop building, etc. etc, I can't see why you would assume that a similar amount of effort wasn't made in this respect too.

Yes, there's mirrors of a lot of what happens in this film to the OT and part of that was knowing that it's a winning formula, another part of that, I suspect, is wanting Rey's story to have parallels to Luke's, but also differences, the scenes and backdrop do resemble ANH, ESB and RotJ (and that is neat to fans, and shouldn't really ruin anything for not so much fans) but what happens in those scenes and the story of the film IS different. Yes you can write a passage that describes the film and make it indistinguishable from the others, but then you can also do that with lots of stories.

So These 3 points... make it sound like you are the fan boy?

John Boy is lame, he kills any empirical troops with no compunctions yet goes cry-baby when he has to kill as ordered, meh, he should not kill at all if that was realistic.

4) It's the other way around though isn't it. He made a choice not to murder a village full of innocent people

. He also made a choice to fight against the people that were responsible for killing said village. Only after Rey was in trouble though. He was ready to run away from the killing, about to in fact. That's called a character arc, it's a trope for sure, but it's an endearing one.

This kind of attitude makes it sound like you don't know that everything isn't black and white, right or wrong. Like you don't know that people have to make hard choices that don't always agree with what they believe in. It's like you want 1 dimensional characterless when you were quite clear that you don't want 1D characters.

Driver is just a lame arse tantrum boy, his betrayal of a "character" is beyond worse, it's an atrocity to acting:

5) Again this seems like you don't understand the real world that we live in. You talk about films are just action and coolness and explosions now days, but when you are presented with an interesting character you poo poo it becasue you want want Coolness and action?

I think he represents a lot of the fears that parents have for their own kids, and also "Lore" wise is a much more believable portrayal of a Sith. Remember it's anger and Hate that fuel the dark side. Ren as a volatile, angry and unpredictable baddie is in some ways way more scary than the calm collected matter fact badness of Vader.

He portrays exactly what he is meant to portray, a corrupted child, lured from the light by feeding in to a teenagers rebellious feeling towards their parents and the attractiveness of the secret shameful family history. Maybe you don't like winey kids but they are REAL things, this isn't made up it's brilliant and believable arc for the child of two heroes of the galaxy.

Han was to gullible for a seasoned veteran rogue smuggler/ general? who has to deal with his sith-tantrum son, bull...

6) Again, Han's story was one of utter heartbreak, the shame of a failed parent, the fact that he had to live with the atrocity that his OWN SON committed. I don't know what you mean by gullible but I think that you missed a trick if you think Han didn't know what Ben was about to do out on that bridge.

"I went back to doing the only thing i was ever good at" Jesus man, that was painful.

He knew what Ren neeed of him and in that moment helping his son deal with his inner turmoil and at the same time begin released from his own must have seemed very attractive.

TFA was not just dumb action film to apease the Sheeple masses. Yes films are going further towards thrills and explosions and coming away from exploring characters and plots but just because that's true it doesn't mean there aren't GOOD examples of action films with explosions.

I think they made this super fun action film that loads of people loved back in 1977, it had laser guns and light sword fights and lots of people running around, and nonsense space magic and it ended with space ships flyign in to ACTION against giant massive death ball that EXPLODED, and man that film was awesome.

I can't really remember what it was called. But you probably wouldn't like it since it was all explosions and action for sheeples.

1) Ok, not much to reply there.

2) Insinuating I am racist because I find her accent highly unlikely for the type of character she portrays and thus makes it an unbelievable character is just a cheap shot. I have been living in the UK for the last 9,5 years, My English pronunciation is better then that of most English people themselves, and I work on and off as an Interpreter Dutch/ German - English, giving me a good grasp (of understanding) of words, grammar and accents, in any of those languages. I find it fairly appropriate that I have enough knowledge of said languages to be a judge in saying she makes the character unbelievable.

Per example; Kiera Knightly, she is able to put many a different accent into any character she plays, and would have been a far better choice then this unknown female. Unfortunately Kiera is a A-lister, and thus suffers from that, price wise and apparently also from you preferring no A-listers in a movie like this as it seemingly detracts from the story? WHAAAAAT???!

Samuel just plays Samuel in any movie he acts in, which can be fine, but not in star wars, O well. (agreed, not a good thing)

Liam Neeson wasn't as big an A-lister at the time of that part, hmmz, I found him fine in that role, same as Ewan McGregor.

(At least they can act, regardless of their reputation and whatnot)

3) The story had to many literal parallels, the "group cast" was the same composition, the major story arc was the same, kill a bigger deathstar, instead of a deathstar, yeaaa... characters individually were just copy pastes of their predecessors, Rey and Luke, so many more I cant remember them, lol. And no, those 3 you mentioned do not make ME the fanboy... sigh.

4) I live in the real world, and that word is all sorts of grey, however, your implying the story is grey? feck no, its all kinds of black and white, and now that they are bad attempts at black and white your saying I dont see them as grey??? euhm, yea right, lol.

He was almost trying to always hold Rey's hand, was he forcibly trying to insert a lame attempt at a love-relationship between those 2? O man.

I think imo the characters suffered from perhaps not enough development time, unlike the others from the 1st 3 movies (4/5/6) who had 3 movies so far, but that is only a small part of what is lacking. The quality of the writing (overall story arc and interaction between any of the characters) was bad, just bad. I find the believability of the characters in the Rebels cartoon series more believable then this TFA crap.

5) Again I think Han (his actor) suffered from bad script writing. That and the fact he wanted to die in this movie, which imo forced the story a certain way, which imo makes it unbelievable. Han was a veteran soldier, smuggler and general, he is portrayed as dumb and with no world knowledge at all when it concerns his son, he suddenly looses all experience he had, and it looses his characters believability because of that. Driver's character is cardboard deep and just a tantrum boyo, what part of my previous reply makes you think I want coolness and explosions, you hop from agreeing to rejecting my antipathy towards this kind of sh*tty movie-making from one paragraph to the next...

Brilliant and believable?, heck no, not by miles...

6) It's still a literal overarching copy paste of off the prequels and not much was done to mitigate this imo.

+ see above.

Edit: 'Rogue One': Forest Whitaker is Saw Gerrera from 'The Clone Wars' O look, and A-lister

TA.