I stand corrected. They are bigger than a Corillian Corvette though.

While there are no ships in this expansion by the looks of it, I love the addition of a campaign set for the game. I actually hope we get more of these if the first one is successful. I'll add that I hope there might be a mini-wave of ships that are released with this. Think of the Flotillas (i.e. 1 ship for both factions) even if the ship is a remake of a previous one like a alternate corvette.

This is what X-Wing needs, take the idea of HOTAC, make a campaign system and release new pilot cards and tokens alongside it to existing ships.

Still, I am incredibly excited for this.

I was actually wondering how they would incorporate new unique Squadrons into the game. X-Wing can do things like Reb/Imp Aces where the ships have different paint jobs and upgrade cards. But Armada squadrons aren't painted and don't have upgrades.

This is also an excellent way to pop out new Commanders and ship titles, too. Just like GW used to create new special characters for their campaigns. They can create a campaign with its own plot and major players, and include them as standalone cards instead of trying to redesign entire ships.

Are there any reliable information whether it is a co-op campaign or not? Some seem to refer to it as purely coop, while other claims it's played with two teams going against each other (with 1-3 players per team).

Also, are there any confirmation that the objectives are for "ordinary" competitive play?

From what information we have been given, it is NOT a co-op game. There are 2 sides and the campaign will be 2 teams of players competing against each other.

A cooperative game is one in which ALL of the players are working together against an AI embodied in the mechanics of the game.

I would say that it is a "co-op" game as co-op is short for cooperative, and each side has players who are cooperating with each other, yes most computer games that are Co-op are all players working against the AI, but I do not believe that is a requirement. Based on what I can find it can be a group of people who join together to accomplish a common goal (ie. Crush the Rebels).

Are there any reliable information whether it is a co-op campaign or not? Some seem to refer to it as purely coop, while other claims it's played with two teams going against each other (with 1-3 players per team).

Also, are there any confirmation that the objectives are for "ordinary" competitive play?

From what information we have been given, it is NOT a co-op game. There are 2 sides and the campaign will be 2 teams of players competing against each other.

A cooperative game is one in which ALL of the players are working together against an AI embodied in the mechanics of the game.

I would say that it is a "co-op" game as co-op is short for cooperative, and each side has players who are cooperating with each other, yes most computer games that are Co-op are all players working against the AI, but I do not believe that is a requirement. Based on what I can find it can be a group of people who join together to accomplish a common goal (ie. Crush the Rebels).

In boardgaming language though, a coop game is one where EVERY players is on the same side against the game. Think Zombicide, Arkham Horror, Pandemie (except when playing with the Terrorist), Robinson Crusoe, etc. Then there is the semi-coop where each players is against the game or share the same goal, but there might be a traitor in the group, or each player have their own personal agenda to achieve. Think Dead of Winter, Cuthroat Cavern, Battlestar Galactica, etc.

So, from what we know at least, since the campaign will split players into two teams (Empire and Rebellon), it is not a coop game. A team game would be more appropriate, you form two teams and then wage war across a campaign.

God, I can't wait for it to come out, it will be perfect to start Armada nights. In the meantime, just some more informations to wet our appetite would be welcome tomorrow!

But Armada is dead!

(Sorry, someone had to.... )

<slap>

<shrug>

Sorry, somebody had to!!

In boardgaming language though, a coop game is one where EVERY players is on the same side against the game. Think Zombicide, Arkham Horror, Pandemie (except when playing with the Terrorist), Robinson Crusoe, etc. ...

Exactly. Co-op is a particular type of game and is the players vs the game mechanics. This is (apparently) just a team game like axis and allies.

But Armada is dead!

(Sorry, someone had to.... )

<slap>

<shrug>

Sorry, somebody had to!!

Lance Link - Secret Chimp.

I have only one question: WHICH Corellian Conflict?

The Centrepoint Party crisis? The star tof the Second GCW? Or the Pre-Death Star insurgence?

Are there any reliable information whether it is a co-op campaign or not? Some seem to refer to it as purely coop, while other claims it's played with two teams going against each other (with 1-3 players per team).

Also, are there any confirmation that the objectives are for "ordinary" competitive play?

From what information we have been given, it is NOT a co-op game. There are 2 sides and the campaign will be 2 teams of players competing against each other.

A cooperative game is one in which ALL of the players are working together against an AI embodied in the mechanics of the game.

I would say that it is a "co-op" game as co-op is short for cooperative, and each side has players who are cooperating with each other, yes most computer games that are Co-op are all players working against the AI, but I do not believe that is a requirement. Based on what I can find it can be a group of people who join together to accomplish a common goal (ie. Crush the Rebels).

In boardgaming language though, a coop game is one where EVERY players is on the same side against the game. Think Zombicide, Arkham Horror, Pandemie (except when playing with the Terrorist), Robinson Crusoe, etc. Then there is the semi-coop where each players is against the game or share the same goal, but there might be a traitor in the group, or each player have their own personal agenda to achieve. Think Dead of Winter, Cuthroat Cavern, Battlestar Galactica, etc.

So, from what we know at least, since the campaign will split players into two teams (Empire and Rebellon), it is not a coop game. A team game would be more appropriate, you form two teams and then wage war across a campaign.

God, I can't wait for it to come out, it will be perfect to start Armada nights. In the meantime, just some more informations to wet our appetite would be welcome tomorrow!

OK, you are going to have to show me where it is defined that way. I have never used it that way, looking it up in the dictionary does not define it that way, and to the best of my knowledge no-one in my local playing area would define it that way (we talked about he co-op aspect of Rebellion as I said we use it to mean cooperative. So I think you are stressing over a word that may not mean what you think it does.

Not to place too fine a point on it, or butt in too much CDAT, but Red's definitions pretty much fall in line with what I've experienced too. Cooperative tends to be multiple players against either a single GM or against an autonomous challenge while 'team' is generally referred to as opposing sides usually in a binary format: Red vs. Blue.

I'm pretty sure there's a wikipedia entry on boardgame classification that's commonly followed.

Post Scriptum: yep, here it is. Wikipedia's Cooperative boardgame entry.

Are there any reliable information whether it is a co-op campaign or not? Some seem to refer to it as purely coop, while other claims it's played with two teams going against each other (with 1-3 players per team).

Also, are there any confirmation that the objectives are for "ordinary" competitive play?

From what information we have been given, it is NOT a co-op game. There are 2 sides and the campaign will be 2 teams of players competing against each other.

A cooperative game is one in which ALL of the players are working together against an AI embodied in the mechanics of the game.

I would say that it is a "co-op" game as co-op is short for cooperative, and each side has players who are cooperating with each other, yes most computer games that are Co-op are all players working against the AI, but I do not believe that is a requirement. Based on what I can find it can be a group of people who join together to accomplish a common goal (ie. Crush the Rebels).

In boardgaming language though, a coop game is one where EVERY players is on the same side against the game. Think Zombicide, Arkham Horror, Pandemie (except when playing with the Terrorist), Robinson Crusoe, etc. Then there is the semi-coop where each players is against the game or share the same goal, but there might be a traitor in the group, or each player have their own personal agenda to achieve. Think Dead of Winter, Cuthroat Cavern, Battlestar Galactica, etc.

So, from what we know at least, since the campaign will split players into two teams (Empire and Rebellon), it is not a coop game. A team game would be more appropriate, you form two teams and then wage war across a campaign.

God, I can't wait for it to come out, it will be perfect to start Armada nights. In the meantime, just some more informations to wet our appetite would be welcome tomorrow!

OK, you are going to have to show me where it is defined that way. I have never used it that way, looking it up in the dictionary does not define it that way, and to the best of my knowledge no-one in my local playing area would define it that way (we talked about he co-op aspect of Rebellion as I said we use it to mean cooperative. So I think you are stressing over a word that may not mean what you think it does.

We are not looking into the specific definition of the word 'cooperative', but what the term 'coop game' means for the boardgaming community, so of course you won't find the definition in the dictionary. Just like I'm pretty sure that you won't find the terms Ameritrash or Eurogame in the dictionary. But, if you start to actually dig into the boardgaming community, you will find out that it is common knowledge. I'll refer you to Boardgamegeek.com, probably the largest community of boardgamer in the world, and here is their definition: Co-operative play encourages or requires players to work together to beat the game. There is little or no competition between players. Either the players win the game by reaching a pre-determined objective, or all players lose the game, often by not reaching the objective before a certain event happens

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamemechanic/2023/co-operative-play

They also point to the wikipedia definition ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_board_game ), but warn that they are loose in their definition by including games with traitors (because those are in fact known as Semi-Coop, like I said earlier).

So, while you are indeed working cooperatively with your teammates, the fact that the game is split into two teams disqualifie it for the term Coop game, or coop campaign. What is considered a Coop Campaign is the one made by fans in X-Wing where we all pick a pilot and work together to achieve missions against a AI.

Now, Context here is also important. If you look at the first post from Viper Jr, he asked if the campaign is 'purely coop' or split into teams. So he seems to know the difference. Then Forgottenlore confirm that from our current info, it is not a coop game, and goes on to clarify what is really considered a Coop game, to make sure that they're on the same page.

Does it matter what the word co-op means?

This Correlian conflict involves teams at least in part.

Isnt that the end of discussion....

Does it matter what the word co-op means?

This Correlian conflict involves teams at least in part.

Isnt that the end of discussion....

Don't worry, as soon as FFG put their article on, this thread will be forgotten into the darkness.

Are there any reliable information whether it is a co-op campaign or not? Some seem to refer to it as purely coop, while other claims it's played with two teams going against each other (with 1-3 players per team).

Also, are there any confirmation that the objectives are for "ordinary" competitive play?

From what information we have been given, it is NOT a co-op game. There are 2 sides and the campaign will be 2 teams of players competing against each other.

A cooperative game is one in which ALL of the players are working together against an AI embodied in the mechanics of the game.

Yes, I'm aware of the definition av a co-op board game

Thanks for the information!

EDIT: I didn't realize at first that an entire discussion about the word "co-op" sprung from my question. For what it's worth though, I fully agree that in board games (and for that matter, digital games as well), "co-op" means "everyone against the AI/game/something-not-controlled-by-a-player).

Has this thread actually turned into an argument about the meaning of the term cooperative?

Like, for real?

Seriously?

I'm just excited about this campaign set which seems to include cooperative elements in the form of teams with head to head elements in the form of crushing your opponents in a great game. Just sayin.

"Undefined Variables.... Undefined Variables.... Undefined Variables.... "

Any chance FFG will release an article on the Correlian Conflict? Would lesson the Monday sadness!

I wouldn't expect anything in the leadup to GenCon at the moment - more details forthcoming there, I feel...

X-Wing just got their next detailed ship preview, so we'll see if they feel like clustering more.... But I certainly feel a 'box' like a Campaign setting will be pimped up more at cons, then closer to release...

I'd expect the winner of the Contest, before anything else.

Important notification: it's Corellian Conflict, not Correlian Conflict.

Best regards,

The grammer Nazi

BUT YOU'RE BEING PEDANTIC ABOUT SPELLING , NOT GRAMMAR!!!!!

BUT YOU'RE BEING PEDANTIC ABOUT SPELLING , NOT GRAMMAR!!!!!

Oh snap, that nazis about to have a serious identity crisis....

Has this thread actually turned into an argument about the meaning of the term cooperative?

Like, for real?

Seriously?

I'm just excited about this campaign set which seems to include cooperative elements in the form of teams with head to head elements in the form of crushing your opponents in a great game. Just sayin.

Well, think of it as an investment for ALL the futur generations that will read about the Corellian Conflict and wonder if it is a cooperative game or not. Now you will be able to tell them with insurance that 'no, it is not' and move on to your regular discussions. So it's a necessary evil so that you can save time later!.... But you can thank us now for that.

BUT YOU'RE BEING PEDANTIC ABOUT SPELLING , NOT GRAMMAR!!!!!

Well, it's the grammEr Nazi, so what'd u expect!?