choices are good, but we have to be careful when it comes to defining "Ace" because a single barrel-roll isn't going to turn you into one

having the option is nice, especially if you normally can't do any post maneuver moves, but it is far more valuable on some pilots than others

for example, TLTs unrestricted field of fire let you move far more flexibly and abuse the hell out of b-roll far more than a lowly X could. To a lesser extent, the ARC's aux arc performs the same function

z-95 could also be eh with it because it's a crappy Tie Fighter ripoff, but at least it's cheap. If you ever use Mr Cracken, there's a half-decent case for VTs for his ability

i can see a use on psycho Tycho and on T-65's

BTL Y wings i could see it being fun basically inching forwards whilst crabbing, not majorly competitive but good fun

Yeah its going to make TLT Y's brutal. They can jump to range3 to boost their defense on the return fire and dodge range1 donuts now.

Kinda expecting to see 3 Y's with TLT/VT. And kinda...not looking forward to it lol.

Would say quad, but sadly it puts them at 26pts with TLT/VT alone. Meaning 4th ship (likely a Z) or not-generic Y-Wings used. Just tried to make one with the 3rd Ywing as Horton and i had just enough for a generic Z left lol. All with R2 of course.

I don't think the Y will catapult into competitive dominance just cause of VT

Higher PS ordnance still exists after all

It's just probably one of the better places to look when trying to get your points worth out of VTs

The only VTs I'd personally bring to more serious games would be Palob, mux and regenerating "ARC Angel" Norra or VI r3-a2 Kyle katarn Norra

Also a decent option on Thane if you have the points,but 2 is a lot (r7, tailgunner, r2-d6 with crackshot...)

choices are good, but we have to be careful when it comes to defining "Ace" because a single barrel-roll isn't going to turn you into one

having the option is nice, especially if you normally can't do any post maneuver moves, but it is far more valuable on some pilots than others

for example, TLTs unrestricted field of fire let you move far more flexibly and abuse the hell out of b-roll far more than a lowly X could. To a lesser extent, the ARC's aux arc performs the same function

z-95 could also be eh with it because it's a crappy Tie Fighter ripoff, but at least it's cheap. If you ever use Mr Cracken, there's a half-decent case for VTs for his ability

Oh, you are absolutely right. But it was pretty satisfying the other night 3 turning Wedge, getting Soontir in arc, and the barrel rolling from juuuuust range 3 and into range 2 negating autothrusters. The inability to do that previously was wet sand in your underwear levels of irritating.

I'm curious to try it on Autoblaster Y-Wings - gives you much more mobility and range control, though sacrificing focus to barrel roll will reduce reliability.

That said, Vectored Thrusters does seem better suited to Scum in general - their HWKs have shorter range abilities, Kihraxzs dont have IA to compete for the mod slot and Scum Y-Wings have access to Unhinged Astro for maximum maneuverability when paired with VT.

Problem with scum is special Ks still won't be very good even with broll

Hell, drop the shield and you can just run the Pfighter for a similar if not superior experience (final prices; dial pending etc)

Hwks and Ys, though, hell yeah

Just wish there was a way to modify VI unhinged auto VT Kavil all we got is manny

Has anyone taken VT X-Wings behind theory and put them on a table/vassal? (Proxied, obviously)

Would love to hear the results of a half-dozen practice games against the usual meta choices.

gotta say, still don't know what anyone is expecting out of Xs with brolls, outside of the fun of being able to barrel-roll

not that brolls aren't awesome and all, but they've kinda already existed since the core set came out and on far more efficient ships

we're not getting a completely new game-play defining action, we're not getting any boost to the X-wing's efficiency or indeed any new capability that would compensate for its lack thereof.

unless, of course, HotR's unspoiled snapshot ept triggers off of boosts or b-rolls which it very well could.

yeah yeah not an actual b-roll (just a neat trick)

heh, that gif gives me an idea...

Xwing title: "Get'm off my tail!"

If an enemy ship has you in their primary firing arc and you are not in theirs, another friendly Xwing, Awing, or Ewing within range1 may take a stress and fire at that ship if it is out of their firing arc.

Suddenly getting behind a couple Xwings isnt so amazing. Probably would be impossible to implement without having both xwings able to do it though.

Scums - will love it. I can already sense the 2 tlt ywing + large ship coming back as that was one of the biggest issues - that your y were bricks. But thats still 4 points :/ Cobra may see some use of it maybe he will finally be able to acr dodge something.

Rebels...well kwings looks pretty solid, miranda if fielded as turret not bomber for sure.

As for Xwings....well those are still xwing for gods sake, you may try to make some "crazy-trylion actions-multi reposition" build but those are still only xwings....both t70 and t65 you can push their limit (haha!) only that far.

Empire - really? Thats cute.

Solid card but i would not be overexcited about it.

IA isn't great but it's at least free, I mean you don't usually run without a droid.

But at two points your making already overpriced x-wings even more expensive while lowering it's joust value in the bargain, so at that point you have to ask "why arnt I taking a b-wing?"

I'd rather have Wedge, no droid, and VT than Wedge, BB-8 and IA.

why?

admittedly then you can barrelroll after you move but you lose your focus/tl. If you already got BB8 in someone else yeah no complaints from me.

Not sure if anyone else has said it, but with all the synergy between Rebel and Scum ships, I'm kinda excited to add VT to Z95s. Still only 14 points, but now better blockers and there's many a time I took a random TL or focus because I got the other one "free" and literally had no other action to do

I've just found the barrel roll off the very limited greens to not be of much use. I'd rather have the option of a particularly tasty barrel roll after a white maneuver.

Folks who are really good at controlling the board and blocking will probably prefer BB-8. I guess that doesn't say flattering things about my ability to control the board and block... alas.

being unable to block with a PS 9 has nothing to do with your ability to control the board

now, running Wedge into intentional blocks so the enemy can't shoot him...well only bb-8 can do that

I was referring to his wingmen, not Wedge. I mean, I'm pretty rubbish, I'm not insane. If you can do a good job penning in the opponent, then the limited green isn't a big deal. If you can't, then I'd rather have the option off from more maneuvers.

It's purely a style choice, and I would recommend that nobody pattern their competitive strategies off from anything I do. Unless their heart is set on a Wooden Spoon.

I ran this the other day and it worked pretty good in a casual setting.

Red Ace Vet: R2-D2, IA, Intimidation

Blue Ace: R7-T1, IA

Ello: R5-K6, Outmaneuver, Black One, Vectored Thrusters.

Black one works off of Barrel roll or a Boost. So double possibilities there. On Ello it helps T-turn and Then Barrel roll to get out of arc and remove a Target Lock off someone else. Take a TL and hope you keep it with the Droid. If you can have Red Ace block some one then Ello has minus two Agility on his Target. Blue Ace has some great action economy with R7-T1. Fun list to fly and some pretty good actions.

I am really excited about Vectored Thrusters. Not going to be in every list or on every ship. But should be fun none the less.

Just imagine Ello Asty with PTL, vectored thrusters and BB-8. Without stress, that creates a white T-roll, barrel roll and boost combo. With stress, barrel for a green courtesy of BB-8, move and boost or roll (or both, to get stress back). It could get very hard to get Ello in arc or escape his arc.

Cant broll twice. Cant do actions more than once, even if its a free action

TBH i can see BB-8 being replaced by VT on SOME builds. Because all in all they do different stuff, neither objectively any worse than the other.

PTL/R2/VT

Pros:

You get a far more consistent 2 actions per round off a far wider range of maneuvers.

You can BR off of any maneuver except for a K-Turn, not just 4 maneuvers.

You add 4 green maneuvers to your dial.

Being able to trigger a BR whenever you want.

Debatable points:

You move your tactical flexibility from before you maneuver, to after you maneuver. While sacrificing your ability to potentially escape a block, or guaranteeing actions, you gain the ability to chase down ships. In short, you trade defensive maneuvering for offensive maneuvering.

Cons:

You end the turn stressed. This is less of a problem because of R2, but it is notable.

A point more expensive.

Less durability from the loss of IA.

One less action per round, though this is the trade off. You get one less action, BUT, you can trigger a reposition at any time.

It's not like VT will eliminate BB-8, but for some pilots, i think it might be superior to the BB-8 combo. And perhaps, depending on the player too. If you're a more aggressive player, or you prefer a more balanced, normal playstyle for your ships, VT is probably for you over BB-8.

more cons

can't use with PTL as a form of "pseudo sensors", which means

1. can't barrel-roll after getting blocked as opposed to before
2. can't barrel-roll after going through a space peanut
3. cannot intentionally block yourself in order to deny your opponent shots on your ship

but bb-8 can

bb-8's a very flexible and useful little guy

He is. But you can only have one BB-8.

you only need one

not a whole lot you can accomplish with a lot of extra inefficient b-roll x-wings

Erm - your XXX list is a repeat of the Wardens...?

Fixed it! Thanks for the catch, must've copy-pasted the same list twice...Wedge Antilles (29)Adaptability (0)R2-D2 (4)Vectored Thrusters (2)Wes Janson (29)Veteran Instincts (1)R2 Astromech (1)Vectored Thrusters (2)Luke Skywalker (28)Veteran Instincts (1)R5-P9 (3)Integrated Astromech (0)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder