Then lose the EPT forever of course.
Does the flipped up Crackshot count as a "new" card and thus allow for a separate / second opportunity to use it?
I've heard good arguments on both sides of discussion.
Tomax Bren Can You Crackshot Twice??
No.
You can crack shot twice on two shots of cluster missile, but only once on a single-shot attack, because of Once Per Opportunity.
"typically" you can only use a card once per chance it goes off. Predator for instance you can use it on multiple attacks but it only rolls 1 die regardless of how many can be rerolled.
Since this is normally a discard use i imagine its overlooked and you could do it twice. I wouldnt though since then he does lose the card for good.
i imagine the general consensus is no though since it would be the only card you can double-use in the same attack. And thats just weird.
You can't perform effect of the same card twice in the same opportunity.
not a single card can do it. IF someone ever has 2 EPT slots he'll be able to.
But right now nobody has 2
There's two reasons why you can't: first, it's the same card even if you did discard it, and the trigger already triggered.
Second, the trigger to turn it face-up is after the trigger to use it, as you can't bring it back before you use it!
You can't perform effect of the same card twice in the same opportunity.
not a single card can do it. IF someone ever has 2 EPT slots he'll be able to.
But right now nobody has 2
In that instance there would be precedent to suggest you wouldn't be able to use two crack shots in a single attack if you could equip two - you're not allowed to spend two actions as Vader to attempt to fix two copies of the same crit. It's an analogous situation and a slightly tenuous one, but it gives insight into the intended rules structure I feel.
You can't perform effect of the same card twice in the same opportunity.
not a single card can do it. IF someone ever has 2 EPT slots he'll be able to.
But right now nobody has 2
Also, Tomax only allow to flip it face up once per round so using it twice would make you discard it permanently.
Also, Tomax only allow to flip it face up once per round so using it twice would make you discard it permanently.
No-one's saying otherwise
This is the rule that limits a card ability to being used once per opportunity:
RRG, pg 8:
"A card ability cannot be resolved more than
once during the timing specified on the card.
For example, a card with the timing of “when
defending” cannot be resolved twice by the
defender during a single attack."
This is the rule that would allow a ship with multiple copies of Crackshot to use both on the same shot:
RRG, pg 8:
"If a ship is equipped with more than one copy of
the same Upgrade card that does not require an
action to trigger the card’s ability, it can trigger
each copy of that card at the specified timing."
This is the rule that deals with discarding ability cards and bringing them back into play (tournament rules differ slightly on the logistics):
RRG, pg 21:
"When an Upgrade card is discarded, it is flipped
facedown. The card is out of play for all purposes
except when determining the total squad point
cost of the ship to which it was equipped. If an
Upgrade card is flipped faceup by a game effect,
it returns to play equipped to the same ship"
There's nothing that indicates that a card that has been returned to play after being discarded is in any way special, or different that it was before it was discarded. The card that gets returned to play is the same one that was discarded.
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You can't perform effect of the same card twice in the same opportunity.
not a single card can do it. IF someone ever has 2 EPT slots he'll be able to.
But right now nobody has 2
In that instance there would be precedent to suggest you wouldn't be able to use two crack shots in a single attack if you could equip two - you're not allowed to spend two actions as Vader to attempt to fix two copies of the same crit. It's an analogous situation and a slightly tenuous one, but it gives insight into the intended rules structure I feel.
What page of the rules or FAQ says that about Vader?
out of curiosity, what ship can equip 2 of the same card with a proc on it that would happen simo?
Everything i can think of is either unique or you cant have 2 of that slot anyway with current ship configs. I.e. you cant have two of a given generic Astromech simply because nothing (yet) has 2 slots for them.
out of curiosity, what ship can equip 2 of the same card with a proc on it that would happen simo?
Everything i can think of is either unique or you cant have 2 of that slot anyway with current ship configs. I.e. you cant have two of a given generic Astromech simply because nothing (yet) has 2 slots for them.
Merc Co-pilot is one.
out of curiosity, what ship can equip 2 of the same card with a proc on it that would happen simo?
Everything i can think of is either unique or you cant have 2 of that slot anyway with current ship configs. I.e. you cant have two of a given generic Astromech simply because nothing (yet) has 2 slots for them.
You can't perform effect of the same card twice in the same opportunity.
not a single card can do it. IF someone ever has 2 EPT slots he'll be able to.
But right now nobody has 2
In that instance there would be precedent to suggest you wouldn't be able to use two crack shots in a single attack if you could equip two - you're not allowed to spend two actions as Vader to attempt to fix two copies of the same crit. It's an analogous situation and a slightly tenuous one, but it gives insight into the intended rules structure I feel.
Vader can't do that because it's ACTION header and you can't perform the same action twice.
But Crackshot is no action.
And Rules allow us to perform effects from cards of the same type when they trigger.
For example you can stuff 3 Recon Specialists into YV and get 1+3=4 focus tokens per focus action.
WHEN we see double EPT, we'll be able to double-outmaneuver double-predator and double-crack
Yeah, having seen the quote from the rules, I'm persuaded that you could use a second copy of Crack Shot on the same attack.
I still don't think you could use the same copy twice.
out of curiosity, what ship can equip 2 of the same card with a proc on it that would happen simo?
Everything i can think of is either unique or you cant have 2 of that slot anyway with current ship configs. I.e. you cant have two of a given generic Astromech simply because nothing (yet) has 2 slots for them.
Merc Co-pilot is one.
Recon Spec is one that gets used on VCX-100s. Tactician used to work as well before they made it limited.
Yeah, having seen the quote from the rules, I'm persuaded that you could use a second copy of Crack Shot on the same attack.
I still don't think you could use the same copy twice.
I think that the rules are clear that you can't use the same copy twice.
Yeah, having seen the quote from the rules, I'm persuaded that you could use a second copy of Crack Shot on the same attack.
I still don't think you could use the same copy twice.
i knew the tac one since that was the point of the FAQ i just didnt know of any other.
Wth would be the point of stacking recon spec? Lol that sounds like such a waste.
i knew the tac one since that was the point of the FAQ i just didnt know of any other.
Wth would be the point of stacking recon spec? Lol that sounds like such a waste.
i knew the tac one since that was the point of the FAQ i just didnt know of any other.
Wth would be the point of stacking recon spec? Lol that sounds like such a waste.
Each Recon Spec gives you an extra focus token per action. 2 Recon Specs gets you 3, 3 Recon Specs get you four. The VCX-100 can potentially make 4 attack rolls per round but the real reason that people do it is to fuel Kanan's ability. If you have 3 focus tokens you can reduce three attacks rolls against you in a round by one die each.
You can't perform effect of the same card twice in the same opportunity.
not a single card can do it. IF someone ever has 2 EPT slots he'll be able to.
But right now nobody has 2
In that instance there would be precedent to suggest you wouldn't be able to use two crack shots in a single attack if you could equip two - you're not allowed to spend two actions as Vader to attempt to fix two copies of the same crit. It's an analogous situation and a slightly tenuous one, but it gives insight into the intended rules structure I feel.
Vader can't do that because it's ACTION header and you can't perform the same action twice.
Even sticking by that reading, some are "ACTION: Flip this card" others are "ACTION: roll then maybe flip." I'd argue at least those two are very different things, though the result may be the same.
Further, since it says "ACTION: Flip this card facedown," one could argue that the same exactly wording on another card, even of the same type of crit, changes the context entirely, as the "this card" referred to is not physically the same. Short of there being an official ruling from FFG (and how often do you get two crits on Vader and live?), I'd say both your interpretation and the one where these are separate actions could easily be argued for.
RAW and RAI are different things, and one could easily argue the RAW in this instance to mean that Vader can indeed clear two crits in any given turn, as it's not performing the exact same action twice.
The actions on damage cards are all unique. Vader can (or try) to flip two a turn. What he can't do is try to flip the same one twice.
We had this come up tonight. Bren fired a cluster missile. The first shot he used crack shot flipping it face up again. Second shot using it again and permanently losing crack shot.
We all came to that agreement.
Seems like you should be able to do that on cluster missiles. I could see it being able to get used (albeit if he could) with TLT also.