a better blocker than what?

for 30 points naked , it doesn't matter how "Better" it is it's just not worth its cost

an extra shield and bigger blocking area due to 3-turns

blocker cares not about astromechs because they yeild little to no bonuses, requires but 1-point intel agent as crew and really cares not about the sexy 2-sloops nor green turns

an extra shield and bigger blocking area due to 3-turns

blocker cares not about astromechs because they yeild little to no bonuses, requires but 1-point intel agent as crew and really cares not about the sexy 2-sloops nor green turns

for 5 points over the jm5k?

you'd have to be jedi mind tricked to think that is anything even remotely resembling a good deal

seriously, the only thing "wild" about the Fringer is how overpriced it is

the lack of ept doesn't matter at all for bumping (more significant is the soon to be remedied lack of feedback); the fringer is just far too **** expensive for something that hits as hard as an academy pilot

the jm5k is not; problem there is the all too perfect interaction between torps + deadeye + salvaged

though I doubt it, Smuggler's Compartment could help fix both the Fringer and the ORS just by giving them a free illicit

since it's a mod, you can't overpower Dash/fat YTs because it eats their invaluable EU

an extra shield and bigger blocking area due to 3-turns

blocker cares not about astromechs because they yeild little to no bonuses, requires but 1-point intel agent as crew and really cares not about the sexy 2-sloops nor green turns

for 5 points over the jm5k?

you'd have to be jedi mind tricked to think that is anything even remotely resembling a good deal

Had excessive amout of success with Eaden Vrill as a blocker &DD in Burger-build with two Stress-Ks

soooo

YES, it's a great deal. it's a blocker extraordinaire

I still say that no one would have even thought about torpedoes on the jumpmaster without guidance chips. Even with the rest of the upgrade slots.

I understand the desire to make ordnance viable, but the hard part is making it viable without making the alpha strikes overpowered. Which is what happened with the uboats. Without chips, the jumpmaster would be a perfectly fine ship.

Would be a "yet another useless PWT with LOL 2 ATTACK "

Remember what happened to PWTs? They died.

And yet my 2 attack pwt bumpmaster solod a soontir fel. Ive done quite well with my bumpmaster guri 4lom list. And my manaroo guri drea mindlink list. And even more so with my super dengar/xizor list. Only the dengar list has the title and none of them have ordnance.

That would at least point to the possibility that the JM5K, as a whole, is actually the problem.

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I was actually having this conversation the other day, the combination of upgrades, and the dial that makes makes Zuckuss's drawback irrelevant is just too good. People point out that the generic YT 2400 doesn't get played at its cost (so the insinuation is the Jumpmaster wouldn't either) but it has nowhere near the combo of upgrades or anything remotely as good as the dial. Sure, it's a lopsided dial but it's a difference between good and fantastic.

This is really the issue.

The JumpMaster is too cheap. For a comparable stat line and a much better dial, it is 5 points less than the baseline YT 2400.

You cant really make a valid comparison with a ship thats clearly too expensive and never used

First of all it's not U-boat that solo's a soontir. it's Bumpmaster.

Torpmaster is Bumpmaster's bro, but they are different. They have a middle bro who has no Droid but sports a Feedback and can ponentially do both jobs a bit.

Usual U-boats? Can't do hell to aces.

I was responding to your comment that without chips it would just be another 2 att PWT where PWTs died. I was pointing out that I've done just fine in 2 different lists with said 2 att PWT. And a third using the title to make it a 3 att PWT and still being rather successful without any torpedoes.

My whole point is that the jumpmaster can still be good without being played as a uboat. And that it's guidance chips on a torpedoboat that's made it a problem.

and YT-2400 is a fine comparison. it sports THE BEST DIAL ever seen, sporting all the regular movements. Has 1 shield more and the same BR for blocking duty. EPT? Okay, no EPT. Not that it needed one, though. Intimidation sounds cool, but it's worthless 90% of the time, and not the reason Bumpmaster works.

I mean you can't make a valid argument that something is to cheap by saying it's cheaper than another comparable ship when the ship you're comparing it to is overpriced and unused.

I mean you can't make a valid argument that something is to cheap by saying it's cheaper than another comparable ship when the ship you're comparing it to is overpriced and unused.

Ok, then. Compare it to the Kwing.

I mean you can't make a valid argument that something is to cheap by saying it's cheaper than another comparable ship when the ship you're comparing it to is overpriced and unused.

Ok, then. Compare it to the Kwing.

+1 PS and an ept

Obviously better in every way dial but a direct comparison doesn't make much sense as the K just doesn't care as much unless you're silly and try to make an ordnance platform outta it. Dials also harder to compare due to SLAM. I'd kill for white seggys to aSLAM conners from

So still fine considering the sharp detriment of bring a large base

Less fine is the perfect synergy between deadeye and salvaged Astros

Course you could always make the K cheaper (and me happier by extension)

Though really it's ASLAM that needs to be 1 cheaper imo. Good card; not 2 points good given drawbacks (wep disabled)

till use it, mind; need my Conner fix

Pretty pathetic that so many cant seem to handle ordinance being a functional thing in this game. Its been in the game since inception and was a COMPLETE waste of time until recently.

Deadeye and even Jumpmasters are not over powered. Your all simply a bunch of whiners who cant stand your specific style of play being threatened by Ordinance.

Good grief if there is ever a thread I hope the game designers ignore its this one.