you want a painting award at a tournament , then go play Warmachine or Warhammer, please don't pollute the X-wing tournaments with soft scores.

You realize Warmachine doesn't have soft score right?

What do you guys think?

Sounds like a good idea but kinda invalidates the "play right out of the box" thing. Maybe leave it to the TO discretion and out of the TO / organizing store's budget.

No, absolutely no. And it comes down to simple numbers. While I admit that the sample size isn't the greatest, my experience in all the tournaments I've participated in there have only been a small percentage of people that bother with any sort of painting. Mostly it's simple things like blood stripes or changing an A-wing from red to green or similar modifications. Even fewer people actually repaint entire ships, in fact locally I'm really the only one that do proper repaints, scratch builds and/or conversions. Basically, it's damnably difficult to have any sort of competition when so few participate. Would prize support raise the number of people doing repaints? Sure, but I'm not convinced it would make a big difference. This is not Warhammer, where everyone is required to paint their stuff.

However, all is not lost. While I do think it would be a bad to include painting rewards in organised play, I certainly won't begrudge TO's doing so of their own choosing. Also I would like to suggest an alternative. FFG should arrange a specific painting competition, let's say once or twice a year, where people who are into painting get to show off their stuff and a panel of judges or perhaps by vote choose the winner.

Absolutely there should be a prize for best painted squad.

In fact (and I'm 100% serious) it should factor into the rankings for over-all placing.

Making repainting an 'official competition' would move it to a realm where hypercompetitive players would feel as though they HAD to repaint just to get another edge, another chance at winning something.

Good.

Absolutely there should be a prize for best painted squad.

In fact (and I'm 100% serious) it should factor into the rankings for over-all placing.

NO because part of the joy of x-wing is take it out of the box and play...... you are then forcing people to paint stuff they dont want to or cant with isn't part of the system

Absolutely there should be a prize for best painted squad.

In fact (and I'm 100% serious) it should factor into the rankings for over-all placing.

NO because part of the joy of x-wing is take it out of the box and play...... you are then forcing people to paint stuff they dont want to or cant with isn't part of the system

Sure, like people are FORCED to buy Autothrusters or Stealth Device for their TIE Interceptors.

Creativity and artistic talent should be factored into the rankines IMO. Every event I've been to that incorporated a painting score/prize has been the better for it, IMO.

you want a painting award at a tournament , then go play Warmachine or Warhammer, please don't pollute the X-wing tournaments with soft scores.

You realize Warmachine doesn't have soft score right?

i assumed it did.

Repainting isn't popular enough to make side-painting contests part of the OP kits. Leave that to TOs who know that people in their area like painting.

There shouldn't be a discussion if you should factor painting points into tournament score, thats just stupid.

Absolutely there should be a prize for best painted squad.

In fact (and I'm 100% serious) it should factor into the rankings for over-all placing.

NO because part of the joy of x-wing is take it out of the box and play...... you are then forcing people to paint stuff they dont want to or cant with isn't part of the system

Sure, like people are FORCED to buy Autothrusters or Stealth Device for their TIE Interceptors.

Creativity and artistic talent should be factored into the rankines IMO. Every event I've been to that incorporated a painting score/prize has been the better for it, IMO.

I think one round of every tournament should be a dance-off and if you don't have any moves you don't belong in a tournament. Tournaments would be so much better if that were factored in.

Look at this guy who loves dumber games run by dumber people, because GW can only make a game with the standards of the 90s in mind where no one gave a ****.

I'd appreciate it as a side bonus into which people who wanted could pay a little extra to enter and get a cool prize, but I wouldn't want to see it as a default part of tournaments; not everyone can paint and not everyone wants to, so I wouldn't want arrangements to be unfair to those who don't.

And I say that as someone who really enjoys the painting and modelling aspect of the game.

Absolutely there should be a prize for best painted squad.

In fact (and I'm 100% serious) it should factor into the rankings for over-all placing.

NO because part of the joy of x-wing is take it out of the box and play...... you are then forcing people to paint stuff they dont want to or cant with isn't part of the system

Sure, like people are FORCED to buy Autothrusters or Stealth Device for their TIE Interceptors.

Creativity and artistic talent should be factored into the rankines IMO. Every event I've been to that incorporated a painting score/prize has been the better for it, IMO.

Nobody is forced to buy AT or SD, any more than they're forced to play Interceptors, or even play competitively rather than for fun (you realise it's a game right?).

What if someone is just godawful at painting ships, but happens to be great at the game? Just because they haven't made an effort to repaint an already painted ship, you think they should be rated lower than someone who is simply better with a brush than a template? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you paint your ships...

To the point of the OP, I don't think there needs to be some prize designated from FFG for such things, but I think it'd be nice as something offered by event hosts, especially considering most event hosts supply/stock painting supplies for other games. I don't think it's necessary from an Organised Play standpoint, but I can appreciate the ability in a great repaint, and the recognition would be nice.

That said, I'm all for side-prizes at bigger events too. Sportsmanship, spirit, etc. Even if it's just something silly, it's nice to spread the recognition out beyond the top table games.

Lots of people do re-paint though. I actually know a guy that doesn't play x-wing because he doesn't like pre-painted stuff.

There's nothing stopping TO's from doing their own little 'on the side' painting comp. Or just awardign a little bonus prize to the best looking squadron, it would be nice and doesn't hurt anyone.

Should it influence the tournament results - absolutely no. The tournament is a contest of skill at playing X-Wing, not being competent with a brush or being able to pay someone who is.

Just because they haven't made an effort to repaint an already painted ship, you think they should be rated lower than someone who is simply better with a brush than a template?

Yes. X Wing tournaments are boring, stale and bland. Incorporating more aspects of the broader tabletop gaming hobby can only improve the tournament scene. The types of people who'd refuse to participate in an event that graded painting are exactly the kind of people who I wouldn't miss...

Maybe it's not all the tournaments that are boring...

Maybe it's not all the tournaments that are boring...

Just the X Wing ones

Maybe it's not all the tournaments that are boring...

Just the X Wing ones

Quit trolling, Chuck. You know well enough that you can't have painting be a tournament thing when the models are pre-painted. Quit having a run at these guys - it sucks to read.

I don't understand why a painting contest would have any effect on the tournament play. The op obviously meant an additional coin or something for the best painted squad. It would not be a part of the tournament play at all. The price would not be taken from anyone, FFG just simply can drop in an extra price to the package.

Or what did you think? Did you assume that we want extra tournament points or MoV bonus for painted squads? That would be a really bad idea.

Prize packages cost money. Money to get those normally is recouped through tournament entry fees. Why the hell should I support your side project with my entry fees?

And some games must have points awarded based on things like paint jobs and even "sportsmanship" so saying there should be a reward for repainted ships in organized play does suggest that you want those types of thing.

Reward can be a lot of things, indeed, but the opening post clearly states that the it would be an additional price. If you interpret it as extra victory points, that is your fault.

The cost increase is a valid argument, though, I did not think of that.

Just because they haven't made an effort to repaint an already painted ship, you think they should be rated lower than someone who is simply better with a brush than a template?

Yes. X Wing tournaments are boring, stale and bland. Incorporating more aspects of the broader tabletop gaming hobby can only improve the tournament scene. The types of people who'd refuse to participate in an event that graded painting are exactly the kind of people who I wouldn't miss...

As a result you have a tournament scene that focusing on alot of things that either have nothing to do with the actual game (painting scores) or to cover up the games sizeable deficiencies (army composition scores). Soft scores are there to pull as much focus off who actually won or lost the game, because the game is so poorly made. Those "tournaments" aren't competitive events, they are pretending. So maybe people will keep pretending that GW games are worth playing for the actual game.

But overall you believe that a game that is marketed heavily on the basis that it's miniatures are pre-painted should introduced painting scores to events? That be entirely self sabotaging, suicidal even.

FFG would be heavily undermining themselves by doing what you've suggested. They be removing value from their product for what end? To take a page out of the book from a competitor that has been bleeding it's market share away for over a decade despite having every advantage?

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Funny how half of you guys have an opinion without even reading the opening post. This has never been about soft scores or obligations to paint your models. Just a small additional reward possibility for the people who do. And a challenge coin costs maybe 4$ to make? Cost is not much of an arguement here in my opinion.

Funny how half of you guys have an opinion without even reading the opening post. This has never been about soft scores or obligations to paint your models. Just a small additional reward possibility for the people who do. And a challenge coin costs maybe 4$ to make? Cost is not much of an arguement here in my opinion.

Including that coin is a conflict of interest for FFG. They market their game as fully pre-painted. It is one of the things that immediately sets them apart from their competitors. Adding prizes to event kits for repaints would be undermining that.

Truth be told I doubt FFG wants to encourage repaints at all. If they could get away with it I'd imagine they'd prefer to ban repaints from events.

Funny how half of you guys have an opinion without even reading the opening post. This has never been about soft scores or obligations to paint your models. Just a small additional reward possibility for the people who do. And a challenge coin costs maybe 4$ to make? Cost is not much of an arguement here in my opinion.

This is why you should create informative titles and this one is actually pretty clear.

People can easily offer an opinion based on the title's question. You even get various levels of answers to deeper questions.

As for the idea that a $4 challenge coin is "insignificant" then why would FFG include it as it would recognize a VERY small group of people while alienating plenty of others who enjoy the game in part because it is COMPLETELY OPPOSITE of what that reward is being given for. When FFG is marketing the game with good prepainted models does it really make sense to reward those who say "Sorry FFG but your paint jobs SUCK so much that I decided I had to do my own!"?

As I've said, if event hosts want to have their own spot prizes for repaints or sportsmanship etc, I'm all for it. A free small base ship or even just a novelty prize would be a nice gesture for such things. FFG, on the other hand, are under no obligation to reward modifying their products, either from a marketing or goodwill standpoint. The fact is, the vast majority of X-wing players don't repaint or modify their ships. In fact, a sizeable number of the people I know that play it actually rate the models being prepainted as one of the draws to the game. Not everyone wants custom paint jobs; some people just want to play a game...