Why can't I take notes?

By Hawkstrike, in X-Wing

Could we at least make the distinction between playing slow (possibly due to taking notes, or otherwise being distracted) and slow play, the intentional dragging of turns in order to gain an advantage?

I don't distinguish between slow play and playing slowly because they're the same thing with different intent, possibly. Functionally, they're the same and there's already a rule in place.

You can't make potential distractions an infraction. Are they going to create rules for each possible distraction? Why don't they ban food at the table? Makes a lot of sense. Are bathroom breaks illegal? They unfairly use up the clock. My point is, if there's no detriment from some players, why is a specific rule in place? The over-arching slow play rule covers a bunch of potentialities.

I'd like to be able to at least have a damage tracking check list as an option. Without it, wouldn't have noticed that my opponent forgot to remove one of the shield tokens off one of his IG-88 ships at a Nationals.

What so you can't use the manoeuvre cheat sheets either?

I think maneuver cheat sheets are still fine. It's something that you get in the package of every ship.

Who keeps those? Most use the ones made by fellow forum users that combine them all in one document for ease of use and this just invalidated their work.

I do, and I bring them in my bag to every tournament and game night, because they explicitly say to keep them on hand so that players can reference them at any time.

seriously

I thought I was the only one!

I have sent this via e-mail to FFG. I hope other players will consider their opponents in the near future and be compassionate to their needs. Let's insure that all who wish to play can and continue to Fly Casual.

I am contacting you today on behalf of the many X-wing players with learning disabilities that have been negatively affected by your recent tournament rule changes. Page 12 of Tournament Regulations V1.1.1 states that all note taking during game play is barred. This rule will cause many of your players with certain learning disabilities to be unable to play X-wing in a tournament setting. I have taught many young (and old) men and women to play this game by taking simple notes. They write their opponent's list down and then keep track of remaining shields, hull, and critical hit effects. This does not add extra time to the game and keeps the game accessible to them. (Otherwise they will become lost, stressed, and possibly confused.) Furthermore, these simple notes help them to play the game at the same speed as other players who do not require to take such notes (as they will not have to constantly stop and ask their opponent questions about their list).

In conclusion, your recent “no notes ban” has not taken many of your special needs players into consideration. For many of these players, X-wing tournaments might be their primary source of public interaction. It is the one place where they feel like part of the crowd and they belong. Please reconsider this rule and do so quickly for the sake of these players.

Do not be afraid to ask for a reasonable accommodation. The ADA does not cover X-Wing Tournaments, but FFG has been very reasonable with me and my issues with severe migraines. Just because something is in the rules, does not mean it can't be adjusted as the situation requires. Accessibility is important.

I have sent this via e-mail to FFG. I hope other players will consider their opponents in the near future and be compassionate to their needs. Let's insure that all who wish to play can and continue to Fly Casual.

I am contacting you today on behalf of the many X-wing players with learning disabilities that have been negatively affected by your recent tournament rule changes. Page 12 of Tournament Regulations V1.1.1 states that all note taking during game play is barred. This rule will cause many of your players with certain learning disabilities to be unable to play X-wing in a tournament setting. I have taught many young (and old) men and women to play this game by taking simple notes. They write their opponent's list down and then keep track of remaining shields, hull, and critical hit effects. This does not add extra time to the game and keeps the game accessible to them. (Otherwise they will become lost, stressed, and possibly confused.) Furthermore, these simple notes help them to play the game at the same speed as other players who do not require to take such notes (as they will not have to constantly stop and ask their opponent questions about their list).

In conclusion, your recent “no notes ban” has not taken many of your special needs players into consideration. For many of these players, X-wing tournaments might be their primary source of public interaction. It is the one place where they feel like part of the crowd and they belong. Please reconsider this rule and do so quickly for the sake of these players.

While I do realize that some people have learning disabilities, if a player were to write down their opponent's list and then track shields, hull, critical effects, etc. I really don't know how you can say that that *doesn't* slow down the game.

Tournaments are timed and quite often every second counts. If somebody is constantly writing things down in between the turns it could definitely affect the outcome, especially if the game goes one or two more turns because of it. It's the same thing if the game is put on hold to take pictures or a video.

Furthermore, most players don't really keep tabs on things like health or critical effects anyway. I've played many games, and I've simply lost count of the amount of times I've asked or been asked, "what's Boba's hull at now?" or "what does that critical do again?"

Your argument opens up a can of worms because then what if the player writes slow either due to the disability or just because they write slow? Not to mention it would be very easy for somebody who doesn't even have a learning disability at all to say they do just to get around the rule and take notes anyway.

So I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. Notes should not be taken period when a timer is involved. Pretty much any other competitive activity that I know of disallows things like note-taking since it can alter the outcome whether intentional or not. Now if a player needs a reminder every now and then about something then I'm sure most players would gladly oblige when asked, but that's as far as it should go. And by the way, I say this as someone who has a disability.

Edited by Darth Landy

Guys, it's so simple. When somebody says, "Take notes," how many of you pull out your phone to take notes? I do. I am pretty sure this is directly related to incidents in which friends standing behind the opponent can text the player what the opponent planned with their dial. I think the idea that people would hand write notes never even occurred to the people who made this rule.

Of course, there is an element of slow play, but as was addressed above, this is called out specifically in a separate part of the rules.

Guys, it's so simple. When somebody says, "Take notes," how many of you pull out your phone to take notes? I do. I am pretty sure this is directly related to incidents in which friends standing behind the opponent can text the player what the opponent planned with their dial. I think the idea that people would hand write notes never even occurred to the people who made this rule.

Of course, there is an element of slow play, but as was addressed above, this is called out specifically in a separate part of the rules.

What does it matter if the notes being taken are digital or not? Most people these days type faster with their thumbs than they do writing things down.

If that really was the case, they could simply have just banned phone usage during tournaments with the only exception being the official dice app.

you guys must not have guys in your area that like to use micro graph paper and record every ships movment in the game. Needless to say after playing said people and loosing appeal to the TO that said players in theory have everything premeasure by box on the page I felt I was at a sever competative disadvantage. I would also much rather not have to face this again then be able to bring dial cheat sheets with me.

I have sent this via e-mail to FFG. I hope other players will consider their opponents in the near future and be compassionate to their needs. Let's insure that all who wish to play can and continue to Fly Casual.

I am contacting you today on behalf of the many X-wing players with learning disabilities that have been negatively affected by your recent tournament rule changes. Page 12 of Tournament Regulations V1.1.1 states that all note taking during game play is barred. This rule will cause many of your players with certain learning disabilities to be unable to play X-wing in a tournament setting. I have taught many young (and old) men and women to play this game by taking simple notes. They write their opponent's list down and then keep track of remaining shields, hull, and critical hit effects. This does not add extra time to the game and keeps the game accessible to them. (Otherwise they will become lost, stressed, and possibly confused.) Furthermore, these simple notes help them to play the game at the same speed as other players who do not require to take such notes (as they will not have to constantly stop and ask their opponent questions about their list).

In conclusion, your recent “no notes ban” has not taken many of your special needs players into consideration. For many of these players, X-wing tournaments might be their primary source of public interaction. It is the one place where they feel like part of the crowd and they belong. Please reconsider this rule and do so quickly for the sake of these players.

While I do realize that some people have learning disabilities, if a player were to write down their opponent's list and then track shields, hull, critical effects, etc. I really don't know how you can say that that *doesn't* slow down the game.

Tournaments are timed and quite often every second counts. If somebody is constantly writing things down in between the turns it could definitely affect the outcome, especially if the game goes one or two more turns because of it. It's the same thing if the game is put on hold to take pictures or a video.

Furthermore, most players don't really keep tabs on things like health or critical effects anyway. I've played many games, and I've simply lost count of the amount of times I've asked or been asked, "what's Boba's hull at now?" or "what does that critical do again?"

Your argument opens up a can of worms because then what if the player writes slow either due to the disability or just because they write slow? Not to mention it would be very easy for somebody who doesn't even have a learning disability at all to say they do just to get around the rule and take notes anyway.

So I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. Notes should not be taken period when a timer is involved. Pretty much any other competitive activity that I know of disallows things like note-taking since it can alter the outcome whether intentional or not. Now if a player needs a reminder every now and then about something then I'm sure most players would gladly oblige when asked, but that's as far as it should go. And by the way, I say this as someone who has a disability.

How does making a tick mark next to a ship name take up any more time than it takes for a player to remove shield tokens or place damage cards on the pilot card? It doesn't. A person with a disability of any kind should know better (or at least be compassionate enough) to know they cannot understand or speak for all people with disabilities.

I can hear the advice coming from the rest of the forum now... "Don't feed the trolls!" I know, I know. Sorry I let this one get the better of me. I've made my peace and should not need to argue it further. Simple notes is all I'm asking for. Maybe even an "official FFG form" to make everyone happy. It gives a place to write the Ship/Pilot/PS Rank (maybe value in points) and place for tick marks for lost hull and shields. It is a system that has helped many and I hope it can continue to be used.