I think the key wording here is "during a tournament round."

I read that to say that during the round, you can't take notes as it would stall the game, but once the round is over, if you wanted to recap the match in your notes, that's allowed.

It's how I currently do it, hope I'm not misreading it.

Is this Organized Play doing One Size Fits All sweeping rule changes to everything as if they don't know the rules of the games they're ruling for AGAIN?

*facedesk*

First "you must sleeve your pilot cards", then intentional draws, now this.

I get they're a tiny poorly paid overworked team but seriously.

Is this Organized Play doing One Size Fits All sweeping rule changes to everything as if they don't know the rules of the games they're ruling for AGAIN?

*facedesk*

First "you must sleeve your pilot cards", then intentional draws, now this.

I get they're a tiny poorly paid overworked team but seriously.

Yeah it's just not using common sense, guess it'll get rolled back fairly soon for x-wing, stalling for time is already against the rules there was no need for this to be added.

Oh wait! I must make a note of this!

Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round.

Will take that to the next tournament to remind me I can't take notes

Just take notes after the game... it's not hard.

Is this Organized Play doing One Size Fits All sweeping rule changes to everything as if they don't know the rules of the games they're ruling for AGAIN?

*facedesk*

First "you must sleeve your pilot cards", then intentional draws, now this.

I get they're a tiny poorly paid overworked team but seriously.

Yeah it's just not using common sense, guess it'll get rolled back fairly soon for x-wing, stalling for time is already against the rules there was no need for this to be added.

Exactly! There was no need for this rule. It does more harm than good.

Just take notes after the game... it's not hard.

You are not thinking about those with learning and physical disabilities. This new rule will cause tournament play to be inaccessible, impossible, or too stressful for many with certain disabilities. On behalf of those I know (and have taught to play X-wing) with such disabilities, I will be writing FFG to inform them of this gross over site.

What so you can't use the manoeuvre cheat sheets either?

I think maneuver cheat sheets are still fine. It's something that you get in the package of every ship.

Wade Piche has ruled that consolidated maneuver reference cards are OK because the originals come in the retail packaging.

Do you happen to have a link to that?

Is this Organized Play doing One Size Fits All sweeping rule changes to everything as if they don't know the rules of the games they're ruling for AGAIN?

*facedesk*

First "you must sleeve your pilot cards", then intentional draws, now this.

I get they're a tiny poorly paid overworked team but seriously.

Yeah it's just not using common sense, guess it'll get rolled back fairly soon for x-wing, stalling for time is already against the rules there was no need for this to be added.

Exactly! There was no need for this rule. It does more harm than good.

Just take notes after the game... it's not hard.

You are not thinking about those with learning and physical disabilities. This new rule will cause tournament play to be inaccessible, impossible, or too stressful for many with certain disabilities. On behalf of those I know (and have taught to play X-wing) with such disabilities, I will be writing FFG to inform them of this gross over site.

I'm curious what kind of stuff taking notes would relieve that that the time limit and other players wouldn't already cause.

Quote:

"Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round ."

Want to record your opponent's list and what awesome move or grevious mistake either of you did? Feel free to do it when the game is over. Have a chat with your opponent, share a laugh, etc.

If between each turn, however, an opponent wants to take notes of every play by play and slows down the game... that's a different story.

I have sent this via e-mail to FFG. I hope other players will consider their opponents in the near future and be compassionate to their needs. Let's insure that all who wish to play can and continue to Fly Casual.

I am contacting you today on behalf of the many X-wing players with learning disabilities that have been negatively affected by your recent tournament rule changes. Page 12 of Tournament Regulations V1.1.1 states that all note taking during game play is barred. This rule will cause many of your players with certain learning disabilities to be unable to play X-wing in a tournament setting. I have taught many young (and old) men and women to play this game by taking simple notes. They write their opponent's list down and then keep track of remaining shields, hull, and critical hit effects. This does not add extra time to the game and keeps the game accessible to them. (Otherwise they will become lost, stressed, and possibly confused.) Furthermore, these simple notes help them to play the game at the same speed as other players who do not require to take such notes (as they will not have to constantly stop and ask their opponent questions about their list).

In conclusion, your recent “no notes ban” has not taken many of your special needs players into consideration. For many of these players, X-wing tournaments might be their primary source of public interaction. It is the one place where they feel like part of the crowd and they belong. Please reconsider this rule and do so quickly for the sake of these players.

What so you can't use the manoeuvre cheat sheets either?

I think maneuver cheat sheets are still fine. It's something that you get in the package of every ship.

Wade Piche has ruled that consolidated maneuver reference cards are OK because the originals come in the retail packaging.

Do you happen to have a link to that?

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I'm trying to track down the original post, but this capture was posted to Star Wars Gaming Ontario ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/swgon/permalink/10155023691092519/ )

I always keep track of my opponent's list (shields, hull, crits, etc.) So I wouldn't have to slow down the game by constantly having to double check with the other player. This is a bad rule and unfair to many with learning disabilities and handicaps.

Unless your blind, all of that info is on the table available.

What so you can't use the manoeuvre cheat sheets either?

I think maneuver cheat sheets are still fine. It's something that you get in the package of every ship.

Who keeps those? Most use the ones made by fellow forum users that combine them all in one document for ease of use and this just invalidated their work.

Probably not many people, but that's why I'm saying maneuver cheat sheets don't really count here. Maneuvers are not really hidden information. I think this ruling is referring to other things like having a list of maneuvers that you want to make in certain situations, etc.

That part of this rule didn't change mitch bit was never really enforced in my experience. You've never been technically allowed to reference unofficial documents during a tournament. The game provides those maneuver diagrams for this reason. I keep those for the UPCs, and I'm glad I did because since the Asmodee merge FFG hasn't been as graceful with product replacements. Yes, those maneuver sheets are technically illegal and have been for a time, but have you ever seen a player or TO say you can't use them? Keep your UPC sheets from now on, just in case, but this should probably be fine.

Probably because it's delay of game.

Only reason I could think of.

Other than maybe trying to catch folks getting a "premeasuring advantage" that are using some kind of miniature map and noting ship positions on it, turn-by-turn? Seems a bit of a stretch, that...

Delay of game is a consideration, yes. I'd say the real reason is that notes can be considered outside reference materials, which appears to be the intention here. It is your responsibility as the player to remember things that have occurred in the game. Notes give you a reference to game progression to the current time, which, in specific situations, could certainly gone you an advantage that your opponent does not have. The clear responses are make your notes available to your opponent or disallow them. You could tabs illegible or shorthand notes that are useful to only yourself, and yes writing notes takes time and can the game. The other way eliminates the need to have the conversation.

It can/does slow down the game

I've had opponents want to take photos and if I had of allowed them to do so it would have slowed the game and he could have won because of it

that said I don't have a problem if people set there dials fast and then take notes/photos while there opponent is setting there dials but when they are ready to go you must also be ready to go

I am glade for this rule and welcome more rules to reduce slow play

People who want to slow down the game can just do so without taking pictures. Just slowing down play is sufficient enough to aim for time.

I have sent this via e-mail to FFG. I hope other players will consider their opponents in the near future and be compassionate to their needs. Let's insure that all who wish to play can and continue to Fly Casual.

I am contacting you today on behalf of the many X-wing players with learning disabilities that have been negatively affected by your recent tournament rule changes. Page 12 of Tournament Regulations V1.1.1 states that all note taking during game play is barred. This rule will cause many of your players with certain learning disabilities to be unable to play X-wing in a tournament setting. I have taught many young (and old) men and women to play this game by taking simple notes. They write their opponent's list down and then keep track of remaining shields, hull, and critical hit effects. This does not add extra time to the game and keeps the game accessible to them. (Otherwise they will become lost, stressed, and possibly confused.) Furthermore, these simple notes help them to play the game at the same speed as other players who do not require to take such notes (as they will not have to constantly stop and ask their opponent questions about their list).

In conclusion, your recent “no notes ban” has not taken many of your special needs players into consideration. For many of these players, X-wing tournaments might be their primary source of public interaction. It is the one place where they feel like part of the crowd and they belong. Please reconsider this rule and do so quickly for the sake of these players.

People who are that easely stressed, lost or confused should perhaps stick to casual play instead of tournaments.

I was talking with my wife about this and her thought is if your playing someone and you write notes about them, how they play and react you could use that in a later round or at another torny, which would be not within the spirit of the game. (Also if you write stuff and use it in the moment to gain an advantage, trick someone into a thought based on your reactions) Past that and slowing down the game via making people wait is an issue. Though now a different one arises if you have to look through a bunch of box inserts for ship movement inserts.

Also if FFG is taking pictures of tonrys For promoting don't think they want a bunch of random docs all over that are not FFG products or bi products. "Can't really promote something you don't own"

I was talking with my wife about this and her thought is if your playing someone and you write notes about them, how they play and react you could use that in a later round or at another torny, which would be not within the spirit of the game. Past that and slowing down the game via making people wait is an issue. Though now a different one arises if you have to look through a bunch of box inserts for ship movement inserts.

Also if FFG is taking pictures of tonrys For promoting don't think they want a bunch of random docs all over that are not FFG products or bi products. "Can't really promote something you don't own"

Here's the thing when a rule such as this is made, likely somewhere the developers got word of someone doing exactly this or abusing slow play. They probably have a specific example(s) that showed someone getting an unfair advantage perhaps with sharing a 'scouting report/play style' with another player at a tournament and made this rule explicit.

I have sent this via e-mail to FFG. I hope other players will consider their opponents in the near future and be compassionate to their needs. Let's insure that all who wish to play can and continue to Fly Casual.

I am contacting you today on behalf of the many X-wing players with learning disabilities that have been negatively affected by your recent tournament rule changes. Page 12 of Tournament Regulations V1.1.1 states that all note taking during game play is barred. This rule will cause many of your players with certain learning disabilities to be unable to play X-wing in a tournament setting. I have taught many young (and old) men and women to play this game by taking simple notes. They write their opponent's list down and then keep track of remaining shields, hull, and critical hit effects. This does not add extra time to the game and keeps the game accessible to them. (Otherwise they will become lost, stressed, and possibly confused.) Furthermore, these simple notes help them to play the game at the same speed as other players who do not require to take such notes (as they will not have to constantly stop and ask their opponent questions about their list).

In conclusion, your recent “no notes ban” has not taken many of your special needs players into consideration. For many of these players, X-wing tournaments might be their primary source of public interaction. It is the one place where they feel like part of the crowd and they belong. Please reconsider this rule and do so quickly for the sake of these players.

This is good stuff, great work stone.

I was talking with my wife about this and her thought is if your playing someone and you write notes about them, how they play and react you could use that in a later round or at another torny, which would be not within the spirit of the game. Past that and slowing down the game via making people wait is an issue. Though now a different one arises if you have to look through a bunch of box inserts for ship movement inserts.

Also if FFG is taking pictures of tonrys For promoting don't think they want a bunch of random docs all over that are not FFG products or bi products. "Can't really promote something you don't own"

Here's the thing when a rule such as this is made, likely somewhere the developers got word of someone doing exactly this or abusing slow play. They probably have a specific example(s) that showed someone getting an unfair advantage perhaps with sharing a 'scouting report/play style' with another player at a tournament and made this rule explicit.

There is something more to this, excellent point. I do like taking more pictures then writing notes so I guess I will have to stick with that for now.

I have sent this via e-mail to FFG. I hope other players will consider their opponents in the near future and be compassionate to their needs. Let's insure that all who wish to play can and continue to Fly Casual.

I am contacting you today on behalf of the many X-wing players with learning disabilities that have been negatively affected by your recent tournament rule changes. Page 12 of Tournament Regulations V1.1.1 states that all note taking during game play is barred. This rule will cause many of your players with certain learning disabilities to be unable to play X-wing in a tournament setting. I have taught many young (and old) men and women to play this game by taking simple notes. They write their opponent's list down and then keep track of remaining shields, hull, and critical hit effects. This does not add extra time to the game and keeps the game accessible to them. (Otherwise they will become lost, stressed, and possibly confused.) Furthermore, these simple notes help them to play the game at the same speed as other players who do not require to take such notes (as they will not have to constantly stop and ask their opponent questions about their list).

In conclusion, your recent “no notes ban” has not taken many of your special needs players into consideration. For many of these players, X-wing tournaments might be their primary source of public interaction. It is the one place where they feel like part of the crowd and they belong. Please reconsider this rule and do so quickly for the sake of these players.

People who are that easely stressed, lost or confused should perhaps stick to casual play instead of tournaments.

People suggesting that this was done to prevent slow play are likely off base. There already a direct, explicit section of the rules that addresses slow playing.

Is it legal to video record games now or it is considered taking notes?

It's a general anti-scouting policy. Amazingly, there are a few people who don't care to advertise their lists in this game.

What so you can't use the manoeuvre cheat sheets either?

I think maneuver cheat sheets are still fine. It's something that you get in the package of every ship.

Who keeps those? Most use the ones made by fellow forum users that combine them all in one document for ease of use and this just invalidated their work.

I do, and I bring them in my bag to every tournament and game night, because they explicitly say to keep them on hand so that players can reference them at any time.

seriously

I thought I was the only one!

Scouting shouldn't be a concern. A player's list is public information. You don't gain advantage by having prior knowledge of an opponent's squad. In games with hidden information, scouting might be an issue but it's not enforceable so it's still pointless. If friends want to share information, they're going to share information.

If time concerns are the issue, there's already a stalling rule. Have the balls to call out a player who is stalling the game. Why do extraneous rules need to be in place to fix something that's not broken. Two players in my local meta take notes and I've never seen either of them cause a delay of game.