Just wondering what people's views are on committing to engine tech.

If you state "I think I'm going to engine tec" while waggling your movement ruler....does that commit you to engine tech ?

If you lay down the measure on the deck does that committe you ?

Or are you only committed once you are locked in ?

Thoughts ?

You are committed to the Engine Techs Maneuver, once you Exhaust the card.

Once you have exhausted the card, THEN you can proceed through the steps of executing the maneuver, which are shown on Page 11 of the RRG under "Ship Movement"...

You don't pick up the Ruler until the first step of Executing a Maneuver....

I believe that you must declare your intent to ET before premeasuring and exhausting. So, in my eyes, since you can only premeasure during the determine course step, and that you must execute a maneuver at the end of the DC step, that a declarative statement locks you into using ET.

Edit: dang it dras. Well, I was close enough.

You are committed to the Engine Techs Maneuver, once you Exhaust the card.

Once you have exhausted the card, THEN you can proceed through the steps of executing the maneuver, which are shown on Page 11 of the RRG under "Ship Movement"...

You don't pick up the Ruler until the first step of Executing a Maneuver....

The issue around taking a verbal declaration over exhausting the card is that some people speak out loud when planning and thinking so I think holding to a specific action is the best way.

You are committed to the Engine Techs Maneuver, once you Exhaust the card.

Once you have exhausted the card, THEN you can proceed through the steps of executing the maneuver, which are shown on Page 11 of the RRG under "Ship Movement"...

You don't pick up the Ruler until the first step of Executing a Maneuver....

Yep I agree once you exhaust the card, your committed, although you may already be holding the range measure as your going from one maunover to the next (or thinking about it).

The issue around taking a verbal declaration over exhausting the card is that some people speak out loud when planning and thinking so I think holding to a specific action is the best way.

When you follow the Rules, Each Maneuver is its own separate entity...

You pick up the Maneuver Tool, You adjust it, you Notch it, you move your ship... You remove the ruler from the table ...

Wehter or not you are still physically holding the tool, you are, as far as the rules are concerned, not using that tool ... That tool should be placed separate, as you are not allowed to use that tool at that point in time .... Not until you have Exhausted your Engine Techs Card, and have progressed to the Determine Course step of that maneuver....

Dras, So from a person who like to hold onto and fiddle with things, when would you consider a a maunover tool being on the table ?

Would you be ok with a person holding onto it and fiddling around with it, Maybe staring at it and muttering a bit ? I've always taken the view that it's on the table when a person purposefully places it over a ship or on the play area and starts measuring.......

Are you asking me or are you asking the rules ? Because you'll get two completely different answers

Are you asking me or are you asking the rules ? Because you'll get two completely different answers

in this case it's what you think... Not the old rule book.

Most of the time, I don't care. games are casual like that, but as much as I am being considerate to you, you should be considerate to me If you're not garnering an advantage from it, its okay...

But that becomes a very slippery slope...

Adjusting the ruler in front of you, even if its held off the table, held in front of you, is a no-no... Its against both the letter and the spirit of the rule... Because you may be able to visualise it as you go... Plot and plan maneuver outside of the time that is allotted for you to do it...

I humbly ask that if you need to hold onto something, and mutter, because of some involuntary tic... Put the Maneuver tool down. Pick up the range ruler. That one, you can do whatever you like...

Most of the time, I don't care. games are casual like that, but as much as I am being considerate to you, you should be considerate to me If you're not garnering an advantage from it, its okay...

But that becomes a very slippery slope...

Adjusting the ruler in front of you, even if its held off the table, held in front of you, is a no-no... Its against both the letter and the spirit of the rule... Because you may be able to visualise it as you go... Plot and plan maneuver outside of the time that is allotted for you to do it...

I humbly ask that if you need to hold onto something, and mutter, because of some involuntary tic... Put the Maneuver tool down. Pick up the range ruler. That one, you can do whatever you like...

I will clutch my range ruler in future.....

What I do is hold the ruler straight and I place a range ruler by its side and see where he max distance is on the ruler for what I want to measure. Then I measure from the ship, making sure to put the end of the ruler at the notch points so that I can get a judge of distance.

It needs to be noted that there is nothing preventing you from checking the flexibility of extra clicks on your maneuver tool when performing the initial maneuver.

It needs to be noted that there is nothing preventing you from checking the flexibility of extra clicks on your maneuver tool when performing the initial maneuver.

Indeed.

As long as your speed is Speed 3 or slower, with Engine Techs

Bit hard for that Speed 4 'vette to check its extra clicks... But this is nought but additional pedantry

Is there any specific rule about how long the tool must be?

Is there any specific rule about how long the tool must be?

Size doesn't matter, its how you use it that counts.

Is there any specific rule about how long the tool must be?

I have a distance 21 maneuver tool. Its really handy as I can check three ships maneuvers at once!

Is there any specific rule about how long the tool must be?

Size doesn't matter, its how you use it that counts.

How did this thread end in a ***** joke............

Interesting that perfectly aceptable correct names for anatomical parts of the body are blocked...... Over censorship, I call 1984 on this site......

Is there any specific rule about how long the tool must be?

Not spelled out as such, but the maneuver tool provided in both the core set and the expansion is four segments long....

Any deviation from 4 Segments is thusly a Modified Tool, as spelled out in the rules for component modification in the tournament rules.

But I also think the newest rules account for smaller (with the 3rd party 'sections thereof'), but I need to re-read that section - as I believe that only accounts for smaller portions, not larger .