Death to Modified Wins!

By CBMarkham, in X-Wing

Looks like the Final has a designated time limit now. Don't think that was a thing before right?

Also, Final Salvo isn't the way I would have dealt with it, but it's a way. Would have prefered it be in the players hands still to determine who wins via who holds or doesn't hold initiative. Still MUCH prefer this over modified wins and intentional draws.

Wait, have we always had the possibility of a Top 32???

Edited by Kdubb

That tie-breaker seems odd, to me. I guess it works as well as any, though. Very tiny tournament advantage to bulky jousting squads.

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What's wrong buddy? Your sad face with no explanation is making me sad too! :(

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Eh, what? How does that work when a draw (or is that a mod win?) is worth less than a win?

Edit: 5 mod wins < 4 full wins and a draw, I guess?

Edited by Rawling

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Eh, what? How does that work when a draw (or is that a mod win?) is worth less than a win?

I'm assuming his 5 'wins' was a mix of full and modified wins, while the 4-1-1 player had full wins for each of his wins. IE., maybe 15 tournament points (5 mod wins) vs 21 (4 full wins and a draw).

A bunch of good new rules. It's true. I like it. All of it

I would have preferred ties being resolved with initiative, but I can see the argument for the Final Salvo. Otherwize, it is good.

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Eh, what? How does that work when a draw (or is that a mod win?) is worth less than a win?Edit: 5 mod wins < 4 full wins and a draw, I guess?

21 tournament points for each (3 full wins, 2 mod wins vs 4 full wins and 1 draw). I was at the bottom with lowest MoV due to the mod wins.

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Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Could still happen though if the 4-1-1 "wins" the drawn match with the new tie breaker.

Edited by haslo

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Could still happen though if the 4-1-1 "wins" the drawn match with the new tie breaker.

Sure, but it won't be because of an intentional draw.

Does this mean no more intentional draws? Aw, I liked those... :(

So glad to see intentional draws die. They were bad for the tournament scene in my area.

That tie-breaker seems odd, to me. I guess it works as well as any, though. Very tiny tournament advantage to bulky jousting squads.

Huh, the TIE Breaker? Must be a new variant. What's it do?

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Could still happen though if the 4-1-1 "wins" the drawn match with the new tie breaker.

Technically, yes. But realize 2 matches took IDs which left 4 players above me. I finished 10th, so if they played it out in current system, I would have finished 8th.

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Eh, what? How does that work when a draw (or is that a mod win?) is worth less than a win?Edit: 5 mod wins < 4 full wins and a draw, I guess?

21 tournament points for each (3 full wins, 2 mod wins vs 4 full wins and 1 draw). I was at the bottom with lowest MoV due to the mod wins.

So his complete destruction against 4 opponents and one tie is somehow worse than your 3 dominating wins while just eeking out 2 other matches. The way I see it some of your modified wins probably could have really been considered draws to begin with so maybe that 5-1 should really be 3-1-2 instead. When people are willing to start a game with fewer than 100/100 points spent just having a few points difference in what is on the board should NOT be enough to determine an actual winner.

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Eh, what? How does that work when a draw (or is that a mod win?) is worth less than a win?Edit: 5 mod wins < 4 full wins and a draw, I guess?

21 tournament points for each (3 full wins, 2 mod wins vs 4 full wins and 1 draw). I was at the bottom with lowest MoV due to the mod wins.

So his complete destruction against 4 opponents and one tie is somehow worse than your 3 dominating wins while just eeking out 2 other matches. The way I see it some of your modified wins probably could have really been considered draws to begin with so maybe that 5-1 should really be 3-1-2 instead. When people are willing to start a game with fewer than 100/100 points spent just having a few points difference in what is on the board should NOT be enough to determine an actual winner.

How could his mod wins be considered draws? He completed the task of the game- to destroy more points than his opponent. There is no question he was the victor in those matches.

That tie-breaker seems odd, to me. I guess it works as well as any, though. Very tiny tournament advantage to bulky jousting squads.

Bulky jousting squads are probably less likely to tie though, right?

Good riddance. Going 5-1 and losing out to 4-1-1 players was about the worst X-Wing experience I've had. IDs and Mod wins combined to ruin an otherwise succesful day.

Eh, what? How does that work when a draw (or is that a mod win?) is worth less than a win?Edit: 5 mod wins < 4 full wins and a draw, I guess?

21 tournament points for each (3 full wins, 2 mod wins vs 4 full wins and 1 draw). I was at the bottom with lowest MoV due to the mod wins.

So his complete destruction against 4 opponents and one tie is somehow worse than your 3 dominating wins while just eeking out 2 other matches. The way I see it some of your modified wins probably could have really been considered draws to begin with so maybe that 5-1 should really be 3-1-2 instead. When people are willing to start a game with fewer than 100/100 points spent just having a few points difference in what is on the board should NOT be enough to determine an actual winner.

I wouldn't go with "complete destruction"... Those 2 mod wins are at max +22 MoV, so you could have same Mov for the 3 matches and win by 24 then draw and still beat out 3 win/2mod wins.

It's all a moot point now. Glad for the changes, mod wins and draws were both unnecessary outcomes for the game, and FFG seems to agree.

I would like to see ties resolved by age with the tie going to the older folks.. ;)

They could have gone with a coin toss. Effect would have been largely the same.

That tie-breaker seems odd, to me. I guess it works as well as any, though. Very tiny tournament advantage to bulky jousting squads.

Bulky jousting squads are probably less likely to tie though, right?

Probably, but I think the effect of the rule compared to a coin flip will be within error, anyway.