This would be much more heartbreaking to lose.

If he didn't make day two... Then this change would either be positive for him or no change.

He'd do the final salvo and have a chance of scoring a win, which would've maybe saw him advance to day two, or he would of loss and been no worse off.

To say that the outcome of a game normally has nothing to do with dice is being intentionally obtuse.

A Modified win typically does no one any good, better to have a chance to score a win, then have both players walk away with 1 point which is effectively a loss.

Am I the only one who doesn't like Margin of Victory being before Strength of Schedule in the tiebreak?

No. I'd prefer SoS as tie breaker. Person that had the harder route should move on. Of course this breaks down a bit when a person drops.

And then deciding the final outcome, by a roll of the dice?

You mean like the entire game is played?

You are playing Yahtzee?

Im playing xwing Tyvm.

I'm playing Yahtzee.

I realize now that I am very lost and this now puts a lot of my confusion about what I've been reading in this forum into perspective.

Taking Notes and Outside Material

Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round.

However, players may reference official rule documents or game components that do not contain

hidden information at any time or ask a judge for clarification from official rule documents. Official

rule documents include all rules documents available on the X-Wing page of our website, those

found in an X-Wing product, or any portion thereof.

Does this mean it is forbidden to use for example info sheets with ship maneuvers?

No those are perfectly fine.

While the new way to eliminate 'draws' is certainly getting the most attention - there are a number of relatively BIG things, here.

• Specifically calling out a process for dealing with damaged/lost parts during an event (curious they felt this was necessary)
• They have now officially banned 'taking notes' during a match!
• Final 'elimination' round has a time cap on it, now (no longer untimed)
• Maneuver templates are now legal (again) for use during round setup

Battle reports will be more of a memory test now. Should make for some fun big fish stories.

Doesn't say you can't take pictures. Those aren't notes, right?

I got curious and asked @FFGOP, you can see their reply here .

Serious question what is the problem with ID'S?

To me? Not a darn thing. It rewarded players that usual had a tougher road. But people's heads exploded over it because apparently the point of going to a premier event is to play games and not worry about winning the event.

Well, remember that you can always concede if you've done well enough to make the final cut without having to play your last game.

I think the problem with the ID was always that there were plenty of instances where matchups were a determing factor players who were on the bubble and could take an ID to secure their spot because their opponent could as well. Meanwhile other players on the bubble were not only forced to play but were locked out by that situation.

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With respect to Final Salvo, while it seems contrived, it seems like it was intended to create an imbalance so that it is always in the best interest of one player to bring the game to a conclusion.

The people locked out were behind because they had already lost. So why reward that rather then reward someone that had been performing better up to that point.

Because most of the community wants to play a game... not win at all costs. If they are so good, they surely can win their last match too right?

Taking Notes and Outside Material

Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round.

However, players may reference official rule documents or game components that do not contain

hidden information at any time or ask a judge for clarification from official rule documents. Official

rule documents include all rules documents available on the X-Wing page of our website, those

found in an X-Wing product, or any portion thereof.

Does this mean it is forbidden to use for example info sheets with ship maneuvers?

No those are perfectly fine.

From the way that's worded, only if they're the charts from the ship packs themselves.

while i hate intentional draws, this isnt really any better.

It favors ace lists and nerts ordnance lists. Ordnance users are almost always 2die ships, while non-ordnance lists are either swarms or 3-4 die ships.

Swarms would also love this. Four of my TIEs are still alive? I get 8 dice. Sweeeeet.

Taking Notes and Outside Material

Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round.

However, players may reference official rule documents or game components that do not contain

hidden information at any time or ask a judge for clarification from official rule documents. Official

rule documents include all rules documents available on the X-Wing page of our website, those

found in an X-Wing product, or any portion thereof.

Does this mean it is forbidden to use for example info sheets with ship maneuvers?

No those are perfectly fine.

From the way that's worded, only if they're the charts from the ship packs themselves.

Wrong. It says any "portion thereof "and wade piche specifically said they're fine when I asked him about them.

I was hoping they would lower the amount of a bye. I have seen too many local tournaments where 150 is the highest MOV of any games in Swiss.

while i hate intentional draws, this isnt really any better.

It favors ace lists and nerts ordnance lists. Ordnance users are almost always 2die ships, while non-ordnance lists are either swarms or 3-4 die ships.

Swarms would also love this. Four of my TIEs are still alive? I get 8 dice. Sweeeeet.

How many actual draws have you had? I think I have had two in three years and hundreds of games.

So, I cannot use my reference sheets?

I still don't understand why I have tons and tons or rule cards but zero reference cards.

I will NOT use any floppy waste product stuff from boxes, nor I will cut the reference tables from manuals, nor I am going to bring all the manuals to a tournament.

I am sorry, but this is the most stupid rule ever.

It would not if we had proper official reference cards.

So, I cannot use my reference sheets?

I still don't understand why I have tons and tons or rule cards but zero reference cards.

I will NOT use any floppy waste product stuff from boxes, nor I will cut the reference tables from manuals, nor I am going to bring all the manuals to a tournament.

I am sorry, but this is the most stupid rule ever.

It would not if we had proper official reference cards.

You can use "community created" reference sheets of the ships' maneuvers. The info in X-Wing products (like the maneuver reference) can be used.

Not that I do this but how do you think writing prompts on your hands/fingers is affected (or not affected)?

So, I cannot use my reference sheets?

I still don't understand why I have tons and tons or rule cards but zero reference cards.

I will NOT use any floppy waste product stuff from boxes, nor I will cut the reference tables from manuals, nor I am going to bring all the manuals to a tournament.

I am sorry, but this is the most stupid rule ever.

It would not if we had proper official reference cards.

You can use "community created" reference sheets of the ships' maneuvers. The info in X-Wing products (like the maneuver reference) can be used.

To cut them out and make a patchwork reference document? No thanks.

Not that I do this but how do you think writing prompts on your hands/fingers is affected (or not affected)?

So, I cannot use my reference sheets?

I still don't understand why I have tons and tons or rule cards but zero reference cards.

I will NOT use any floppy waste product stuff from boxes, nor I will cut the reference tables from manuals, nor I am going to bring all the manuals to a tournament.

I am sorry, but this is the most stupid rule ever.

It would not if we had proper official reference cards.

You can use "community created" reference sheets of the ships' maneuvers. The info in X-Wing products (like the maneuver reference) can be used.

To cut them out and make a patchwork reference document? No thanks.

Final salvo rule seems meh. A lot of people say its rare as hens teeth but that really isn't so.

Having one player have a full value win and the other gets nothing on a dice roll is going to be an extreme NPE.

A problem existed in the old format where a modified win wasn't balanced with a modified loss.

Close games should be recorded as such.

They should have dropped round points for consolidated MOV.

Also wish they'd changed the half points on large ships rule to half points on any damaged ship.

A damaged Whisper, Soontir, Poe, Corran etc should be giving up half their points just as any other large ship does.

FFG OP guy Wade Picnet answered over on Nova Squadron's facebook group that "community made" references were OK as long as they only contained info available in the X-Wing products.

Doesn't this suffer from what's been discussed before, though - (a) the same info should be available to all [without having to prepare it ourselves] and (b) what if it includes mistakes...

...I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to make any/all of the docs included in packs available as pdf's ?

- it's not like it would mean you could play the game any differently [like proxied cards].

Final salvo rule seems meh. A lot of people say its rare as hens teeth but that really isn't so.

How many draws were you seeing? I'd guess it's maybe 1 in every 100 games played.

A lot of people say its rare as hens teeth but that really isn't so.

Yes it really is so. In the hundreds of games I've played I've never had or even seen it happen.

I have never had a draw game, though a friend did last year at regionals. There were actually 2 draw games that year that messed up the WHOLE scheduling of games. And then at one local league tournament, there was a draw game that knocked 2 people out of top 4. Out of all the other tournaments, that is all I've seen.

People who are upset: Final Salvo ONLY comes in to play at a DRAW. I do not understand why this is such a big deal. They are just doing something to take IDs off the table without saying that exact thing. You will probably never see this come up.

Do you think people will start doing intentional final salvos?

Let's say someone knows their red dice are rolling amazing today, they want to get some dinner before the final cut. So they just roll for their final match with a 'final salvo'. Now they have won, and half the appeal of an 'intentional draw' anyways was being able to relax and get some tasty dinner.

This will probably become a thing.

intentional final salvo (IFS)

They added a whole section for it. Page 12 (-ish?)

"Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round"

(emphasis mine)

I read this as 'taking notes (you've already made) to reference during a match' rather than , making notes of the game during the game?

Do you think people will start doing intentional final salvos?

Let's say someone knows their red dice are rolling amazing today, they want to get some dinner before the final cut. So they just roll for their final match with a 'final salvo'. Now they have won, and half the appeal of an 'intentional draw' anyways was being able to relax and get some tasty dinner.

This will probably become a thing.

intentional final salvo (IFS)

It won't. Because if you do it so early, the judge will likely force it into a concession.