My question was whether this move by FFG (i.e. calling the ARC a "Rebel" craft) was indeed a "first". I think it is.

Star Wars Galaxies also portrayed them as associated with the Rebellion.

They've had hyperspace technology for thousands of years, surely it's an miniaturized as it going to get.

That's one of the things that has bothered me a little bit when people talk about how much better the T-70 is than the T-65 for example. These technologies have been around for thousands of years, it's not as if Star Wars is making the types of technological leaps and bounds in 100 or even 20 year period that we do on earth. I understand Moore's Law but at some point exponential growth of technology has to stop. At this point in Star Wars history I would have to think it's very minuscule advancements over large periods of time. I would rather think of it as instead of the T-70 being so much more advanced then the T-65, it's just a different load-out of weapons and other tech packages kind of like different load outs current military's will use for the same model of fighter jet.

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They've had hyperspace technology for thousands of years, surely it's an miniaturized as it going to get.

That's one of the things that has bothered me a little bit when people talk about how much better the T-70 is than the T-65 for example. These technologies have been around for thousands of years, it's not as if Star Wars is making the types of technological leaps and bounds in 100 or even 20 year period that we do on earth. I understand Moore's Law but at some point exponential growth of technology has to stop.

1000 years of peace might result in a certain amount of regression - with even starfighter ships being designed in a less "combat-optimized" fashion in favour of other factors, like fuel economy.

My question was whether this move by FFG (i.e. calling the ARC a "Rebel" craft) was indeed a "first". I think it is.

Star Wars Galaxies also portrayed them as associated with the Rebellion.

Ok. I guess that was mentioned above, as well.

So really this is a case of FFG mining the fertile ground of Star Wars Galaxies for more ships, not a new standard being set with regard to canon.

Not that it matters, of course, I am simply interested in knowing what's going on.

Now to my next point: why introduce pilots we know in a craft we don't recognize them in?

Same idea applies (for me) to other pilots, most notably Corran Horn.

To make this analogous to earths history, what your saying is the time period and leaps and advances supposedly made during the clone wars through the force awakens is that they had just came out of the equivalent of the dark ages.

Now to my next point: why introduce pilots we know in a craft we don't recognize them in?

Same idea applies (for me) to other pilots, most notably Corran Horn.

They might come on another ship as well later.

Now to my next point: why introduce pilots we know in a craft we don't recognize them in?

Same idea applies (for me) to other pilots, most notably Corran Horn.

They might come on another ship as well later.

True. Until recently this didn't happen.

Another ARC-170 question:

How do people feel about the presence of both a crew and astromech? I know there was much agitation among some whenever I suggested a BTL-S3 title card, granting the Y-wing a crew slot.

I think everyone worried about Crew + Astromech + Turret being broken.

I guess the ARC has Crew + Astromech + Alternate Arc, so that may be different enough.

Does the new FAQ timing chart have a bearing on either of these combos?

To make this analogous to earths history, what your saying is the time period and leaps and advances supposedly made during the clone wars through the force awakens is that they had just came out of the equivalent of the dark ages.

I think there are two other possible historic metaphors to consider as well. One is WWI, where there's a lot of tech, but insufficient tactics yet built up to know what's really good and not good. Another is the ancient time periods, where tech was pretty static, and differences in technology used in warfare were more "meta" decisions than anything else. For example, the Persians had formations built around lightly armrored archers and spearmen, because their main problem opponent in the region were horse archers from the steppes. When they tangled with the Greeks, they had a bad meta matchup against heavily armored shock infantry.

It's possible that "starfighter sized hyperdrive" was a technology that had existed many times in history, but was lost many times because it wasn't needed. It has to be re-adapted from capital hyperdrives each time a starfighter-centric war breaks out. Star Wars people are clearly not great at history.

LAAT - I think this has a reasonable chance of being the next large ship for the rebels under similar pretense as the ARC-170. It could be an interesting front/rear arc ordinance carrier.

I could see the LAAT, but I think we're more likely to see a SS-54 assault ship. It was in a couple episodes of Clone Wars, but is also used by Rebels (technically, I think New Republic) in the new book "Aftermath Lifedebt". That book takes place a couple years after Endor. Bonus: it's flown by Snap Wexly and crewed by his mom, Nora.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SS-54_assault_ship

V-19 Torrent - I also feel there is an ok chance of this happening for rebels or scum, but personally I strongly dislike this ship.

(The V-19 is super awkward and that's why I love it)

to my next point: why introduce pilots we knowknow in a craft we don't recognize them in?

Same idea applies (for me) to other pilots, most notably Corran Horn.

Because I'd rather have the ARC-170 than yet another X-Wing SKU. And I'd rather have a pilot who's name I recognize than "Blue Ace" or "Zeta Leader".

If I understand correctly, The PS8 E-Wing pilot was originally designed as Luke, but they changed the name to Corran because a) they wanted us to be able to put both ships on the field at once, and b) it is awesome to have Corran Horn on the field at all.

I guess we could have gotten Corran in a Z-95 in Wave 4, but... who would fly him?

... The whole point of the ruse of a two sided conflict (where both sides were secretly driven by the same Sith Lord)...

Spoilers , man!

Settings with incredibly long background timeframes are bothersome for a lot of reasons. A 10,000 year Republic makes no sense when you think about it in comparison to the rise and fall of societies in the real world. It really shows too when in the ~30 years the movies cover thereafter, there's what, 4 or 5 changes of government.

As for the evolution of ships, maybe it can in part be explained by the way weapons evolved through history. You have a weapon (or tactic, strategy, etc extrapolating upwards), then a defense is created against it, so a new weapon emerges, and a new defense, new weapon, etc. People start wearing chainmail, so swords start being made with chisel points. Tallships keep getting bigger and bigger, until small quick ones undercut them.

Another ARC-170 question:

How do people feel about the presence of both a crew and astromech? I know there was much agitation among some whenever I suggested a BTL-S3 title card, granting the Y-wing a crew slot.

I think everyone worried about Crew + Astromech + Turret being broken.

I guess the ARC has Crew + Astromech + Alternate Arc, so that may be different enough.

Does the new FAQ timing chart have a bearing on either of these combos?

Yes, I've never been clear in that - people said we couldn't possibly have crew plus astromuch because it would be super broken, and now we have it people say it's underwhelming.

It might've been more super broken prior to jm5ks

Re rebel regeneration + c3po

odd but necessary

that ARC-170 model is many times more sexy than anything else currently in existence short of the K

I was with you up until the last four words.

Seriously the h*! The K-Wing is the worst!!

make K-10s.........AWESOME

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Very well made, but what is It?

It looks like an atmospheric bomber, in which case I think you need to add some control surfaces and a tail fin

what I use as K-Wings......

made from 1 K-Wing and a Predator.

DON'T EVER TALK TO ME OR MY BABY AGAIN! *cradles the V-19 soothingly* it's ok baby. He didn't mean it. The bad man didn't mean it...

(The V-19 is super awkward and that's why I love it)

It reminds me a great deal of the Wraith from Starcraft.

Looks cool

I call them K-10s

what I use as K-Wings......

made from 1 K-Wing and a Predator.

You can't make a ship out of an EPT!

Predator ship model from shapeways.......

The Empire did not go back and retrieve all of its Clone Wars Era assets.

Thus, a lot of stuff was left lying around for Rebels. Why this is so hard to grasp- not for you OP, but for so many, is utterly beyond me. It just makes sense. Rebels are gonna use whatever they can get their hands on. Blasters, fighters, battle droids, tanks, doesn't matter. If it can be used to fight, they, ultimately, will use it.

I mean if we go by the silly logic that Rebels shouldn't ever use Republic technology, then clearly they shouldn't demonstrably have anything from that era, right.

This is a very nice point. Once Order 66 was executed, the Clone Wars ended immediately. The whole point of the ruse of a two sided conflict (where both sides were secretly driven by the same Sith Lord) was to unbalance, discredit, and ultimately destroy the Jedi Order. Mission Accomplished, case closed.

Many stockpiles of war material might be abandoned in the war zone.

As the TIEs came online to replace the ARCs and Alpha-3 Nimbus -class V-wings and BTL-B Y-wings, all of that stuff was likely transferred to more remote and lower priority places, including planetary defense forces, etc.

Clearly the Rebels could get their hands on this sort of "surplus" equipment. It seems entirely logical.

The same logic potentially applies to all outmoded Imperial supplies.

My question was whether this move by FFG (i.e. calling the ARC a "Rebel" craft) was indeed a "first". I think it is.

I think so, yeah. There's design space for the V-Wing or ETA-2 for The Rebellion, but I'd much rather see the V-Wing hit Scum. It'd make great use of the Scavenged Astromech slot.

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Very well made, but what is It?

It looks like an atmospheric bomber, in which case I think you need to add some control surfaces and a tail fin

Uh... All present and accounted for..?