The upcoming Vectored Thrusters modification grants the ability to barrel roll to a small base ship. It seems that the major impact will be on the rebels, but what do you think?

Rebels

A-wings - Will face a tough choice between this and autothrusters. Being better able to avoid arcs is probably better than the situational use of autothrusters though.

T-65 - One loses IA, but the X-wing now has a cheaper (than EU) way to re-position. Could this grant life to Wedge?

T-70 - Poe can now PTL to boost and barrel roll, making him even nastier. Also, see A-wing.

Imperial

Most ships of consequence have barrel roll already and/or wouldn't get much benefit from it (e.g. Punishers). I'm probably forgetting something, but I don't see an impact here.

Scum

Y-wings - Unhinged Astros plus a barrel roll could make for some hard to pin down turret platforms.

Kihrax - Is in the same boat as the T-65, but without the option for IA, this seems like a no brainer. Talonbane Cobra may yet see the light of day.

Vector thrusters, or how to increase even more the advantage of high PS...
Not a good thing for the game, imo.

Vector thrusters, or how to increase even more the advantage of high PS...

Not a good thing for the game, imo.

At the cost of the valuable mod slot and an action

The game is fine.

Vector thrusters, or how to increase even more the advantage of high PS...

Not a good thing for the game, imo.

At the cost of the valuable mod slot and an action

The game is fine.

Not getting shot at is worth any action you can make. Ace wing is back more powerful than ever

There's HWK's, Z's and G-1A that might use it, to little effect

The upcoming Vectored Thrusters modification grants the ability to barrel roll to a small base ship. It seems that the major impact will be on the rebels, but what do you think?

Rebels

A-wings - Will face a tough choice between this and autothrusters. Being better able to avoid arcs is probably better than the situational use of autothrusters though.

T-65 - One loses IA, but the X-wing now has a cheaper (than EU) way to re-position. Could this grant life to Wedge?

T-70 - Poe can now PTL to boost and barrel roll, making him even nastier. Also, see A-wing.

Imperial

Most ships of consequence have barrel roll already and/or wouldn't get much benefit from it (e.g. Punishers). I'm probably forgetting something, but I don't see an impact here.

Scum

Y-wings - Unhinged Astros plus a barrel roll could make for some hard to pin down turret platforms.

Kihrax - Is in the same boat as the T-65, but without the option for IA, this seems like a no brainer. Talonbane Cobra may yet see the light of day.

You're not wrong.

A wings want ATs in most cases, or EI for Tycho.

K wings want LRS or Chimps

Y wings, maybe.

T65s want IA or EU, T70s want IA or ATs - as a cheaper option to EU it might have some legs for the highest PS.

HWK might use it I guess?

Y wing could maybe get some use too.

Zs: rebels nah, scum with FB as well might be a fun blocker with an IA elsewhere in the list.

G1A can already get BR for 1 point uniquely, and who's gonna use 2 of them?

Kihraxz might well take it, but same comments about EU apply here as well. Talonebane prefers boost to BR, but maybe not to the turn of two points.

ARC... who knows? Maybe.

And the Punisher is literally the only Imperial small ship without Barrel Roll, and it really, really wants Chimps or LRS - and Deathrain can already barrel roll anyway.

Vector thrusters, or how to increase even more the advantage of high PS...

Not a good thing for the game, imo.

Most of the ships it will have the biggest impact on are mostly irrelevant now (Wedge, Talonbane).

That said, I do think Poe will become border-line OP by being able to arc-dodge and regen.

There's HWK's, Z's and G-1A that might use it, to little effect

True, but I left them off as Z's are typically kept cheap, HWK's are turret-based and don't gain a lot of repositioning, and the G-!a can take the title.

The A-wing and the Kihraxz will like it, and possibly the Z-95 aces. High PS T-65s might also be interested.

Vector thrusters, or how to increase even more the advantage of high PS...

Not a good thing for the game, imo.

At the cost of the valuable mod slot and an action

The game is fine.

Not getting shot at is worth any action you can make. Ace wing is back more powerful than ever

Huh? All the ships that would want to take this are either a) Losing something massive (like IA or thrusters or Guidance Chips or Long Range Scanners), or b) are not even close to being a competitive ship in most aspects. Not getting shot is worth any action you can make, but there are still turrets in the game that can crush most of these ships, especially the ones that want thrusters. Nothing makes a turret ship more happy than seeing a ship that can take thrusters not take them.

Doesn't everything in Acewing alreadyhave barrel roll?

Vector thrusters, or how to increase even more the advantage of high PS...
Not a good thing for the game, imo.

At the cost of the valuable mod slot and an action


The game is fine.

Not getting shot at is worth any action you can make. Ace wing is back more powerful than ever

That's the thing though, who in Acewing is taking Vectored Thrusters that doesn't already have it? Almost all the TIEs have it built in.

It's really only benefiting a handful of ships/pilots, many of which that weren't being used already. I mean, if we see a handful of Khiraxz or A-Wing Elites peek back in, is that going to ruin the meta?

Do we even know how many points it is yet? EU is 4 points, which is enough that it hasn't been overwhelmingly popular. If it's 4 points, combined with R2D2 it's making 9Poe 41 points, which is a pretty heft chunk of a list. Will the option for BR at 4 points override the "free shield" of Integrated Astromech on T-65s?

The only "meta" I see getting "disrupted" will be the Heroes of the Aturi Cluster players, but they're all playing cooperative.

The upcoming Vectored Thrusters modification grants the ability to barrel roll to a small base ship. It seems that the major impact will be on the rebels, but what do you think?

Rebels

A-wings - Will face a tough choice between this and autothrusters. Being better able to avoid arcs is probably better than the situational use of autothrusters though.

T-65 - One loses IA, but the X-wing now has a cheaper (than EU) way to re-position. Could this grant life to Wedge?

T-70 - Poe can now PTL to boost and barrel roll, making him even nastier. Also, see A-wing.

Imperial

Most ships of consequence have barrel roll already and/or wouldn't get much benefit from it (e.g. Punishers). I'm probably forgetting something, but I don't see an impact here.

Scum

Y-wings - Unhinged Astros plus a barrel roll could make for some hard to pin down turret platforms.

Kihrax - Is in the same boat as the T-65, but without the option for IA, this seems like a no brainer. Talonbane Cobra may yet see the light of day.

You're not wrong.

A wings want ATs in most cases, or EI for Tycho.

K wings want LRS or Chimps

Y wings, maybe.

T65s want IA or EU, T70s want IA or ATs - as a cheaper option to EU it might have some legs for the highest PS.

HWK might use it I guess?

Y wing could maybe get some use too.

Zs: rebels nah, scum with FB as well might be a fun blocker with an IA elsewhere in the list.

G1A can already get BR for 1 point uniquely, and who's gonna use 2 of them?

Kihraxz might well take it, but same comments about EU apply here as well. Talonebane prefers boost to BR, but maybe not to the turn of two points.

ARC... who knows? Maybe.

And the Punisher is literally the only Imperial small ship without Barrel Roll, and it really, really wants Chimps or LRS - and Deathrain can already barrel roll anyway.

While I agree that a boost is often preferable to a barrel roll, I think being 2 pts cheaper than EU will be a big difference. Pilots like Wedge and Talonbane are pretty expensive already and being able to save those 2 pts while still being able to reposition, may get them on some tables they wouldn't have otherwise seen.

I don't think it revolutionizes them by any means, but I think it gives them a good option.

Doesn't everything in Acewing alreadyhave barrel roll?

Vector thrusters, or how to increase even more the advantage of high PS...

Not a good thing for the game, imo.

At the cost of the valuable mod slot and an action

The game is fine.

Not getting shot at is worth any action you can make. Ace wing is back more powerful than ever

That's the thing though, who in Acewing is taking Vectored Thrusters that doesn't already have it? Almost all the TIEs have it built in.

It's really only benefiting a handful of ships/pilots, many of which that weren't being used already. I mean, if we see a handful of Khiraxz or A-Wing Elites peek back in, is that going to ruin the meta?

Do we even know how many points it is yet? EU is 4 points, which is enough that it hasn't been overwhelmingly popular. If it's 4 points, combined with R2D2 it's making 9Poe 41 points, which is a pretty heft chunk of a list. Will the option for BR at 4 points override the "free shield" of Integrated Astromech on T-65s?

The only "meta" I see getting "disrupted" will be the Heroes of the Aturi Cluster players, but they're all playing cooperative.

Its 2 points.

Doesn't everything in Acewing alreadyhave barrel roll?

That's the thing though, who in Acewing is taking Vectored Thrusters that doesn't already have it? Almost all the TIEs have it built in.

It's really only benefiting a handful of ships/pilots, many of which that weren't being used already. I mean, if we see a handful of Khiraxz or A-Wing Elites peek back in, is that going to ruin the meta?

Do we even know how many points it is yet? EU is 4 points, which is enough that it hasn't been overwhelmingly popular. If it's 4 points, combined with R2D2 it's making 9Poe 41 points, which is a pretty heft chunk of a list. Will the option for BR at 4 points override the "free shield" of Integrated Astromech on T-65s?

The only "meta" I see getting "disrupted" will be the Heroes of the Aturi Cluster players, but they're all playing cooperative.

It is 2 points.

EDIT: Ninja'd!

While I agree that a boost is often preferable to a barrel roll, I think being 2 pts cheaper than EU will be a big difference. Pilots like Wedge and Talonbane are pretty expensive already and being able to save those 2 pts while still being able to reposition, may get them on some tables they wouldn't have otherwise seen.

I don't think it revolutionizes them by any means, but I think it gives them a good option.

Agreed. At the moment, Talonbane sits around 35 points (Mindlink, Cloaking Device, Engine Upgrade) which is massive for a ship that can die in the blink of an eye.

A Cartel Marauder will be a nice little blocker for 22 points. The Khiraxz has a pretty solid dial, and unlike the Z-95's they can dish out some good damage if they're ignored.

I think Kavil will also enjoy this upgrade.

The upcoming Vectored Thrusters modification grants the ability to barrel roll to a small base ship. It seems that the major impact will be on the rebels, but what do you think?

Rebels

A-wings - Will face a tough choice between this and autothrusters. Being better able to avoid arcs is probably better than the situational use of autothrusters though.

T-65 - One loses IA, but the X-wing now has a cheaper (than EU) way to re-position. Could this grant life to Wedge?

T-70 - Poe can now PTL to boost and barrel roll, making him even nastier. Also, see A-wing.

Imperial

Most ships of consequence have barrel roll already and/or wouldn't get much benefit from it (e.g. Punishers). I'm probably forgetting something, but I don't see an impact here.

Scum

Y-wings - Unhinged Astros plus a barrel roll could make for some hard to pin down turret platforms.

Kihrax - Is in the same boat as the T-65, but without the option for IA, this seems like a no brainer. Talonbane Cobra may yet see the light of day.

You're not wrong.

A wings want ATs in most cases, or EI for Tycho.

K wings want LRS or Chimps

Y wings, maybe.

T65s want IA or EU, T70s want IA or ATs - as a cheaper option to EU it might have some legs for the highest PS.

HWK might use it I guess?

Y wing could maybe get some use too.

Zs: rebels nah, scum with FB as well might be a fun blocker with an IA elsewhere in the list.

G1A can already get BR for 1 point uniquely, and who's gonna use 2 of them?

Kihraxz might well take it, but same comments about EU apply here as well. Talonebane prefers boost to BR, but maybe not to the turn of two points.

ARC... who knows? Maybe.

And the Punisher is literally the only Imperial small ship without Barrel Roll, and it really, really wants Chimps or LRS - and Deathrain can already barrel roll anyway.

While I agree that a boost is often preferable to a barrel roll, I think being 2 pts cheaper than EU will be a big difference. Pilots like Wedge and Talonbane are pretty expensive already and being able to save those 2 pts while still being able to reposition, may get them on some tables they wouldn't have otherwise seen.

I don't think it revolutionizes them by any means, but I think it gives them a good option.

For those who are wondering why EU is 4 points then, it's because boost is incredible on large ships, particularly on turrets, and modifications are priced to be balanced for the ship that makes the best use of them. Compare the price of Hull Upgrade- Respectable on an Interceptor, horrible on a VCX.

Kavil + Unhinged + PTL + ABT + Vectored Thrusters.

Put v thrusters on a shuttle for the block.

While I agree the K-fighter is the big winner here, it's nowhere near a "fix". You are paying 2 points for an already overcosted ship for a situational action. Think it goes on Talonbane, but I don't think I'd put it on any of the other K-fighters. As for other pilots, Wedge, Tycho and 9oe maybe could use it (all are giving up super important upgrades for it though), Autoblaster turret users maybe too ,.

So, there are some options.

Put v thrusters on a shuttle for the block.

small ship only.

Autoblaster turret users maybe too

We already have R7-T1

uh...think you might be getting a bit too excited about barrel-roll there

first of all, no way in hell is Vector Thrusters worth even close to auto-thrusters. If autos cancel even 1 damage, they're a complete steal. There is no real choice there, you either take no modification or thrusters. If you're desperate to roll, you take Jake Farrel and thrusters.

similarly, there's no reason to put it on either X-wing. Giving up Integrated and adding 2 points to something that fragile and inefficient? Why? W e have bb-8!

no no, Vector Thrusters is only going on one kind of pilot: **** good abilities flying wet cement with engines somehow stapled to it

namely Palob/Mux, Norra (if opting for a non-bb8 build), and maybe Miranda.

VTs will not make inefficient/kinda bad pilots like Cobra any better; just more expensive

VTs will not make inefficient/kinda bad pilots like Cobra any better; just more expensive

Resident Talonbane pilot here - you mean less expensive. For Talonbane it's a 2-point downgrade that actually better complements his flying style - with barrel rolling he'll be able to stick tightly to a fight rather than being relegated to swooping past and around to his targets. He still gets chewed through by TLT's and other ordinance but I fully expect this to put him on the board, at least for casual play.

uh...think you might be getting a bit too excited about barrel-roll there

first of all, no way in hell is Vector Thrusters worth even close to auto-thrusters. If autos cancel even 1 damage, they're a complete steal. There is no real choice there, you either take no modification or thrusters. If you're desperate to roll, you take Jake Farrel and thrusters.

similarly, there's no reason to put it on either X-wing. Giving up Integrated and adding 2 points to something that fragile and inefficient? Why? W e have bb-8!

no no, Vector Thrusters is only going on one kind of pilot: **** good abilities flying wet cement with engines somehow stapled to it

namely Palob/Mux, Norra (if opting for a non-bb8 build), and maybe Miranda.

VTs will not make inefficient/kinda bad pilots like Cobra any better; just more expensive

I disagree on vectored thrusters vs autothrusters being open and shut. If a barrel roll moves you out of arc and prevents you from being attacked, it's possibly saving you more than the 1 damage that autothrusters would save you, therefore also a complete steal.

BB-8 is great, but vectored thrusters opens up other possibilites. How about a T-65 plus vectored, PTL, and R2 Astro? It's got a much greater range of movement and the ability to go both focus and TL if it doesn't need to reposition.

kinda sad its only small ships. I would love to slap this on a lambda shuttle LOL

Punisher is the only small ship that doesnt have barrelroll naturally for imps, and i would be shocked to see this over GC on a punisher.

uh...think you might be getting a bit too excited about barrel-roll there

first of all, no way in hell is Vector Thrusters worth even close to auto-thrusters. If autos cancel even 1 damage, they're a complete steal. There is no real choice there, you either take no modification or thrusters. If you're desperate to roll, you take Jake Farrel and thrusters.

similarly, there's no reason to put it on either X-wing. Giving up Integrated and adding 2 points to something that fragile and inefficient? Why? W e have bb-8!

no no, Vector Thrusters is only going on one kind of pilot: **** good abilities flying wet cement with engines somehow stapled to it

namely Palob/Mux, Norra (if opting for a non-bb8 build), and maybe Miranda.

VTs will not make inefficient/kinda bad pilots like Cobra any better; just more expensive

I disagree on vectored thrusters vs autothrusters being open and shut. If a barrel roll moves you out of arc and prevents you from being attacked, it's possibly saving you more than the 1 damage that autothrusters would save you, therefore also a complete steal.

BB-8 is great, but vectored thrusters opens up other possibilites. How about a T-65 plus vectored, PTL, and R2 Astro? It's got a much greater range of movement and the ability to go both focus and TL if it doesn't need to reposition.

But the problem is the T-65 will still just die very quickly (especially without Integrated Astromech). The build above puts you at 34 points for 5 HP behind 2 AGI that hits slightly harder (due to Wedge's -1 AGI effect) than the next 3 dice attack ship and in some cases not harder at all against 0 AGI ships.