Some of you may have seen this, but I thought this could be interesting info.
Here's a chart showing in size comparisons of most of the known spaceships in sci-fi universes. The Star Wars Universe is at the top.
I'm pretty interested in some of the lesser known ships. The Corellian Destroyer would make for a sweet medium size Rebel ship to compete the fugly mark II.
http://dirkloechel.deviantart.com/art/Size-Comparison-Science-Fiction-Spaceships-398790051
Edited by SybreedThere is actually a whole page dedicated to this:
Still don't get the hate for the AFmk2. There is no real aesthetic for most Rebel ships except for designs vaguely reminiscent of living organisms. And the AF2 delivers on that premise just fine.
I do like the solid unified page rather than the web version. Still a reminder there's a lot of good ships out there. Hmm, I'd like to see what an updated Bakura-class could look like, or a modified Lictor-class for that matter. I'll admit it though, I'm still always drawn to the IoM ships.
Cactus, there may be no unified design aesthetic for the non-Mon Cal ships, but the Mk.II is a non Star Warsy ugly ship. It's that weird unbalanced center of mass, with the tiny truncated aft and bulbous fore that's larger than any heavy rebel ship which makes it conspicuously good-year inspired. This is all supposed to be the successor to the dreadnaught heavy-cruiser and from the same design team as the assault frigate.*
I don't think it's an objectively horrible sci-fi ship, but because of that massive negative space and harsh transition between fore and aft, it looks just 'wrong' to me, especially in a collage of Star Wars vessels. Which is a shame as I've seen some only slightly altered versions (photoshop-esque stretch and scale) that actually look great from my point of view. Again, all my problems are regularly solved by cutting the frigging thing apart and putting some proper engines on the thing.
*If we want to go over into the other EU stuff, the Mk.II does share a passing resemblance to their FT-6 Pike and PT-7 Raven starfighters. But even then they look more like a Lyraeus version with, you guessed it, the tail inverted, heavier and more 'star warsy' bulk engines, and a narrower fore profile. This is also from the company who created the Gladiator, VSD, and the Imperial customs ship in addition to the Dreadnaught and Assault frigate designs. I don't mind variety, personally I'd love to see nore. I just don't think that this particular rendition of the Assault Frigate Mk.II was the right choice.
Edited by VykesHey Vykes. I love the Mark2's design.
Still don't get the hate for the AFmk2. There is no real aesthetic for most Rebel ships except for designs vaguely reminiscent of living organisms. And the AF2 delivers on that premise just fine.
same reason people hate on FFG's K-wing over in X-wing minis:
some people have no sense of taste
Still don't get the hate for the AFmk2. There is no real aesthetic for most Rebel ships except for designs vaguely reminiscent of living organisms. And the AF2 delivers on that premise just fine.
same reason people hate on FFG's K-wing over in X-wing minis:
some people have no sense of taste
it's mostly the 1 tiny reactor speed 3 thingy that annoys the hell out of me 
I like the AF Mk1 more, but I must admit that the AF Mk2 has started to grow on me
My two AF Mk1's on the prowl, Rebel Fist left, Sang-Froid right.
Well with the liberty coming in and the Afmk1 looking like a grand daddy neb, no reason it can't show up in Armada
More foward firing rebs are always welcome
Edited by ficklegreendiceI like the other mk1 design a bit more.
Still don't get the hate for the AFmk2. There is no real aesthetic for most Rebel ships except for designs vaguely reminiscent of living organisms. And the AF2 delivers on that premise just fine.
same reason people hate on FFG's K-wing over in X-wing minis:
some people have no sense of taste
Hey Vykes. I love the Mark2's design.
Ah yes, but you two are wrong. It's okay, I was wrong too, once. They key is to not let it happen again 
Seriously, you can like it all you want, but you'll be hard pressed to show that it's keeping a similar aesthetic with other large-boostered starship designs in the series, or capital ships with notable flight surfaces.
Still don't get the hate for the AFmk2. There is no real aesthetic for most Rebel ships except for designs vaguely reminiscent of living organisms. And the AF2 delivers on that premise just fine.
same reason people hate on FFG's K-wing over in X-wing minis:
some people have no sense of taste
Hey Vykes. I love the Mark2's design.
Ah yes, but you two are wrong. It's okay, I was wrong too, once. They key is to not let it happen again
Seriously, you can like it all you want, but you'll be hard pressed to show that it's keeping a similar aesthetic with other large-boostered starship designs in the series, or capital ships with notable flight surfaces.
what're we, the empire?
similar aesthetics are for prudes that can afford it; we gotta dumpster dive for our ships!
case in point: the antiquated ARC-170 coming to X-wing minis (and looking aabsolutely GLORIOUS, btw)
"Well intentioned, freedom loving, terrorist supporting, highly respected design team decides to go it alone and make a specifically built Alliance military ship." Rendil stardrive hoped to relive the Incom T-65 story, or rather, the sprite makers at Empire at War decided to have a go with it.
The MK.II isn't some cobbled together vessel like the Mk.I, it was supposed to be a purpose built warship from the same designers that gave us 'bigger is better for engines. No, bigger and more numerous is better! Ah, frig it. Just make the whole back light up.' There's just more interesting and iconic designs out there than the Mk.II.
The Arc-170, no comment. (It's fine, just... fine. No Assault Gunboat, but I was a fan of the K-wing once that ludicrous forward turret was re-positioned).
Some of you may have seen this, but I thought this could be interesting info.
Here's a chart showing in size comparisons of most of the known spaceships in sci-fi universes. The Star Wars Universe is at the top.
I'm pretty interested in some of the lesser known ships. The Corellian Destroyer would make for a sweet medium size Rebel ship to compete the fugly mark II.
http://dirkloechel.deviantart.com/art/Size-Comparison-Science-Fiction-Spaceships-398790051
A few of those are fanon though - not created by any of the EU authors.
Yea, but some of the Fanon ship make sense...
Well, more sense than some of the EU stuff.
"Caugh-Suncrusher-caugh"
The 5 km "Imperium-class Super Star Destroyer" looks to me like the comic ship that Fractalsponge intended his Allegiance-class battlecruiser to be a high-detail version of.
Hmm. Always thought the Krenim Temporal Incursion Ship was bigger.
Also, I knew Dominion ships were big, but I never realized they were THAT big. Small ones are the size of ISDs and their planetary assault ship is 3 ISDs. That thing is bigger than a Borg Cube according to that chart.
The AF MkII's main problem is the engines, it's not only that it's just one engine, but it's one tiny engine. I hate when you compare to the VSD and it's 8 engines that the VSD is so much slower and can't turn. It's not like the AF MkII has less mass than a VSD either. Give it proper engines and it looks worlds better.
There is actually a whole page dedicated to this:
If you use this in IE rather than Chrome you can drag ships around for comparison.
Still don't get the hate for the AFmk2. There is no real aesthetic for most Rebel ships except for designs vaguely reminiscent of living organisms. And the AF2 delivers on that premise just fine.
I cannot speak for others but I just do not find it aesthetically pleasing. I know some people do like it but I do not. Maybe if they stretched it out along the longitudinal axis and gave it a beefier engine I might be better but I do not expect to have every shop designed to my tastes. I know there are those that love it and there are those who don't. not a big deal.
Also, I knew Dominion ships were big, but I never realized they were THAT big. Small ones are the size of ISDs and their planetary assault ship is 3 ISDs. That thing is bigger than a Borg Cube according to that chart.
Not sure what your talking about there? The gem'hadar attack craft is smaller than the defiant in those charts.
Also, I knew Dominion ships were big, but I never realized they were THAT big. Small ones are the size of ISDs and their planetary assault ship is 3 ISDs. That thing is bigger than a Borg Cube according to that chart.
Not sure what your talking about there?
They're referring to the Dominion Dreadnoughts as "small ones" with the big one being the giant ship next to the Dominion Dreadnought - looks like an upscaled Dominion Dreadnought.
Probably using the interpretation that the oversized Dreadnoughts seen in What You Leave Behind are a separate class of "planetary assault ship" as discussed here:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/dominion-battleship.htm
Edited by Ironlord