Does a Clone have the same force-sensitivity as the original?

I think it was the very first episode of clone wars where Yoda told the Clone troopers that even if they looked the same, the Force was different in all of them... This leads me to believe the Clone of a force-sensitive could be left without it and the Clone of a non-force-sensitive could end up with the Force..

I think legends have something about clones of jedi or sith, who are force-users. Right? Any canonical examples? And what would make sense to you, the fan, for that matter?

In Legends Palpatine had clones that he would possess when his body died. Otherwise it was pretty set aside from Star killer that clones of force users didn't possess force sensitivity.

Starkiller (Galen Marek) was an exception as a top secret military experiment.

As far as I know there's no new canon rules on clones and the force. Nothing Clone Wars Rebels or the comics so far.

Seems like there's evidence in Legends to both support the same amount of force sensitivity and evidence to show there would be none, with evidence for being a larger pool.

Luuke Skywalker

The clone of Anakin Skywalker

The numerous clones of Palpatine

Starkiller clones all had force sensitivity

It could very well be that what Yoda spoke of meant that the force felt different in them because they were all unique beings. Sure they were clones of Jango Fett but there was only one Fives, Heavy, Echo, Wolffe, Gregor, Rex, etc... All unique beings, all touched by the force differently.

Yes, that is absolutely what I think Yoda meant. They are all different and unique as far as the Force is concerned.

One of the subplots in my game (that will, of course, take center stage later) centers around this very concept. Four...very specific Jedi...have been cloned by the Empire, but their cloned nature (either by virtue of being clones or the specific cloning process/accelerated aging used) has left them with a much less powerful connection to the Force. Cue that cloning project's interest in a new form of spice that causes temporary Force power outbursts in the user that are frequently powerful and sometimes fatal. Can it be introduced into the process to manufacture a strong, stable Force sensitivity?

I think that there was an old Legends Jedi who was cloned and the clones were FS.

Yes, his name was something like Jorus C'boath (or some such). He was a master that Luke sought out only to find out the cloned master was very insane because of it. (My recollection may be pretty fuzzy, it's a lot of years ago)

I think that there was an old Legends Jedi who was cloned and the clones were FS.

Indeed...Joruus C'Baoth (clone of Jorus C'Baoth) was certainly Force-sensitive. Part of what I've got in mind for my cloning project is that the initial batches were cloned using Kaminoan processes and technology, but the attempts to increase Force sensitivity led to uncovering the Spaarti cloning technology used for C'Baoth and the Emperor's clones.

Joruus C'Boath was very much Force-sensitive to the point of using the Force to direct the clone forces of Thrawn, casting lightning at Luke and Mara, and taking over a few minds. From all that alone I'd say any clone of a Force-sensitive person would retain that Force-sensitivity, and be potentially as powerful. The drawback being that Force-sensitive clones tend to mentally deteriorate due to the cloning process. The length of the cloning process directly factored into the rate of mental deterioration to the point where Kaminoan clones had very little mental issues from the cloning itself. Also the Kaminoan process allowed the clones to mature into adulthood naturally, albeit with accelerated aging. The Spaarti process was much faster but still had a minimum growth time of approximately a year to prevent mental deterioration. Using ysalamiri, creatures that pushed back the Force, Thrawn was able to cut down that time to about a month.

And since it hasn't been directly mentioned, most of what has been mentioned comes from the Zahn trilogy that restarted the whole Star Wars novels lines (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command) and cloning and Force users going a bit off when cloned was all part of that series of novels (as was ysalamari and their use to force grow clones faster without problems from the Force during growth). This is also where Grand Admiral Thrawn comes from and the first twins from Han and Leia being born. So, not exactly a small plot line as these novels would feed just about everything after them (at least that occur in that part of the Star Wars timeline).

This lead to the Dark Empire and Dark Empire II comics (due to them coming out after and using ideas about cloning that Zahn had in his novels) which is where, at least in the first one (I don't remember the second one's plot), Palpatine rose from the dead as a new clone of himself. Basically when he was killed on the second Death Star, he took over a clone body of himself and has been, essentially, reincarnating for years. But the bodies don't last long (because he didn't have/use ysalamari while growing his clones).

As for Yoda's comment. That has less to do with the possibility of the clones being Force-sensitive and more to do with the fact that he can tell them apart in the Force. Kind of like how parents of twins/triplets can tell them apart even if others can't.

Even if we assume that "the Legends are all true", we don't know how many attempts it took to get one viable Force-Sensitive clone. Maybe it took a huge batch of clones that had to be discarded. There may be no difference in percentages to the likelyhood of a Force-Sensitive being born naturally.

I would suspect in nu-canon that a cloned individual's Force sensitivity would chiefly be a product of the "will" of the Force, although Sith alchemy and Darth Plagueis-level midichlorian tampering might be used to induce Force sensitivity in a clone. I imagine such inducing would infuse the subject with the very nature of the Dark Side and would tend to make them wantonly cruel.

Although, IMHO, it would be a better storyline (and fit better with Anakin's "immaculate conception" - at the hands of a Sith tinkering with midichlorians) to have them be more like Frankenstein's monster - where Frankenstein is a Dark Side adept of some sort and the clone is innately good, but their creation occurring with so much of the Dark Side's power makes them physically appear to be evil or of the Dark Side and other Force sensitives might be overwhelmed by the level of Dark Side energy coming off of them, but if they focus they can pick up the undercurrent of the Light Side. And "reskin" their Force powers and abilities so that no matter what they're using the Force to do, it looks like a Dark Side power.

Even if we assume that "the Legends are all true", we don't know how many attempts it took to get one viable Force-Sensitive clone. Maybe it took a huge batch of clones that had to be discarded. There may be no difference in percentages to the likelyhood of a Force-Sensitive being born naturally.

By the books, the clones match the non-clones when it comes to Force sensitivity.

Of course, few mentioned the midichlorians yet. Playing devil's advocate, where cloning is a process of copying the individual's genetic make-up, of which the midichlorians are no part. They are simply symbionts, and thus it is completely possible to clone somebody even as strong as Yoda, and not inject midichlorians into the new, cloned individual. Likewise, if midichlorians were somehow to enter a (certainly less that sterile) cloning facility, they might also cause a clone, derived from a non-Force-sensitive individual, to become Force-sensitive.

That is, if you don't mind midichlorians, which regrettably haven't been edited out of the (still canon) Episode 1 scenes.

Although, IMHO, it would be a better storyline (and fit better with Anakin's "immaculate conception" - at the hands of a Sith tinkering with midichlorians) to have them be more like Frankenstein's monster - where Frankenstein is a Dark Side adept of some sort and the clone is innately good, but their creation occurring with so much of the Dark Side's power makes them physically appear to be evil or of the Dark Side and other Force sensitives might be overwhelmed by the level of Dark Side energy coming off of them, but if they focus they can pick up the undercurrent of the Light Side. And "reskin" their Force powers and abilities so that no matter what they're using the Force to do, it looks like a Dark Side power.

I'm not so sure I'd call Frankenstein's Monster innately good as much as I'd call it innately misunderstood. But yeah, I love this idea.

There was a character in Legends who was a clone from a society of clones who developed force sensitivity but I can't recall if he was the only one only he was remarkable as being one of Luke's recruits for his then New Jedi Order?

Of course, few mentioned the midichlorians yet. Playing devil's advocate, where cloning is a process of copying the individual's genetic make-up, of which the midichlorians are no part. They are simply symbionts, and thus it is completely possible to clone somebody even as strong as Yoda, and not inject midichlorians into the new, cloned individual. Likewise, if midichlorians were somehow to enter a (certainly less that sterile) cloning facility, they might also cause a clone, derived from a non-Force-sensitive individual, to become Force-sensitive.

That is, if you don't mind midichlorians, which regrettably haven't been edited out of the (still canon) Episode 1 scenes.

That also assumes that Qui-Gon's certain point of view about the midichlorians is correct. I don't think it is. I don't think they cause Force sensitivity, I think they're drawn to it. The stronger one's connection to the Force, the higher the midichlorian concentration, making the midichlorian count test still valid for testing someone's Force potential.

Yeah, because funnily enough, it seems entirely ok that a Jedi order would never ever try and discover any association between the force and biological factors. Midicholorians are fine because they associated, because as a scientist I would expect any order to at least try and understand why the world is how it is, in the same way we have doctors that follow religion. Just because a book written by man for man says one thing, doesn't mean that one can't attempt to understand the world in the belief that our account of the universe might be too localised when in truth the origin of life is much broader, e.g. Did God only create earth, or the entire universe?

Being a Jedi is like being a religious scientist, they might worship the force but they are also forever learning about what makes the mystical energy tick, their worst sin was that they stagmented and thought they knew everything. All that knowledge failed to prevent their effective extinction.

I don't even think Qui-Gon's view of the midichlorians' relationship to the Force was the prevailing Jedi view on the matter. It was established in dialogue that he'd clashed with the Council before.

I hate the Force Clones thing. Hated it when the Zahn books were published and still do. Something about it just doesn't sit right. They are a no-go in my universe, though I have no logic to back that call up besides Deus Ex GMachina.

The only way I could relate to or remotely accept the ... m-word *shudder*.. without starting hating Star Wars and entirely switching over to Star Trek and Firefly(which I actually did for a few years after the PT), was to convince myself they were tiny creatures, bacterial or something, that were attracted to the Force and just hang around force-users and -sensitives.. Either that or it was just Qui-Gon Jinn's crackpot theory. ..

What was it really again? I may have completely blocked it out... Do I want to know again?

Of course, few mentioned the midichlorians yet. Playing devil's advocate, where cloning is a process of copying the individual's genetic make-up, of which the midichlorians are no part. They are simply symbionts, and thus it is completely possible to clone somebody even as strong as Yoda, and not inject midichlorians into the new, cloned individual. Likewise, if midichlorians were somehow to enter a (certainly less that sterile) cloning facility, they might also cause a clone, derived from a non-Force-sensitive individual, to become Force-sensitive.

That is, if you don't mind midichlorians, which regrettably haven't been edited out of the (still canon) Episode 1 scenes.

Nor do we need to as they weren't part of any of the stories (we're talking about 10+ years prior to the release of Episode 1). And we do have examples of George's idiotic "midichlorians". They're called mitochondria and are part of the cells. So, if you clone someone, those get grown as well when the parent cell replicates and divides, so do the mitochondria. And different cell types have different amounts of mitochondria to fuel their need for chemical/structural energy.

Of course, few mentioned the midichlorians yet. Playing devil's advocate, where cloning is a process of copying the individual's genetic make-up, of which the midichlorians are no part. They are simply symbionts, and thus it is completely possible to clone somebody even as strong as Yoda, and not inject midichlorians into the new, cloned individual. Likewise, if midichlorians were somehow to enter a (certainly less that sterile) cloning facility, they might also cause a clone, derived from a non-Force-sensitive individual, to become Force-sensitive.

That is, if you don't mind midichlorians, which regrettably haven't been edited out of the (still canon) Episode 1 scenes.

I don't think it's as simple as "injecting midichlorians" into somebody to induce Force sensitivity. If it were that simple, there would be people intentionally injecting themselves and their progeny with midichlorians to create a stronger connection to the Force - and there would likely be a variety of Force traditions and almost certainly the Sith injecting themselves with midichlorians in an effort to enhance their strength with the Force. The fact that this does not seem to be a thing would tend to support Nytwyng's perspective: That midichlorians are drawn to strong Force connections rather than being the cause of a strong Force connection.

Given the connection between the Force, midichlorians, and life, I would further posit that attempting to purge a cloning facility of midichlorians would be self-defeating, as it would prevent the clones from living. Even if that's not the case, assuming that midichlorians are attracted to those with Force sensitivity, as soon as a clone is introduced to an environment with midichlorians in it, they would gradually accrue midichlorians, with the more Force sensitive accruing larger amounts than others.

In the event that midichlorians are a cause of Force sensitivity (but manipulating midichlorians is a largely fruitless endeavor that only Plagueis appears to have cracked) rather than an effect of Force sensitivity, and that it is possible for a being to live without midichlorians, they would still of necessity reflect the "will" of the Force - which is to say that as soon as a clone "chosen" to be Force sensitive left their controlled environment, they would rather rapidly play host to midichlorians and gain Force sensitivity.

Either way, it doesn't really matter, unless the story calls for a clarification on those two possibilities. For instance, in an adventure where the villain goes all Magneto (or anti-Treya) and attempts to make every sentient in the galaxy Force sensitive (but with death being an extremely common side effect).

The only way I think we'll see this dealt with in canon is if some Clonetroopers developed Force sensitivity - and perhaps this spontaneous development combined with a Force sensitive Clonetrooper mutiny helped lead the Empire away from using clone soldiers (perhaps with the Force sensitive clones being especially powerful in groups, the larger, the more powerful they individually become). And perhaps this may be part of why the First Order uses much of the Clonetrooper training protocol, but doesn't use it with clones.

Too much science in my fiction!

there was a legends book, prequel trilogy era where a planets population tried to make themselves all force sensitive and it worked sort of but drove most of them insane and they killed each other and a little baby boy (from a noble house) wasn't crazy and was taken by the Jedi to be trained as a Jedi, he had a friend jedi youngling named "scout" and there was advanced body guard droid that secretly followed him around and another droid of the same model for a different noble family that had died out that betrayed them. No seriously I'm not making this up. Asaj Ventrice was in the book and tried to recruit the boy.