1) Is the Concealed Pouch treated like a Magic Item?
2) Will Destroy Magic / Magic Shell force a character to ditch items that are stored in the Bag of Carrying and Bag of Holding?
3) Can the Trickster take the Concealed Pouch, Bag of Carrying or Bag of Holding?
4) Will the Cursed Glade force a character to ditch items that are stored in the Bag of Carrying and Bag of Holding?
5) What is the term “Taken” supposed to include, the Concealed Pouch, Bag of Carrying and Bag of Holding state that an item can not be “taken”, is that to include when an Item is forced to be ditched or given up?

Drucifer said:

#1: I think it only has "Object" keyword (not Magic Object), so no.

#2: Don't know, but I don't think you're "using" them as such.

#3: Yes, this has been confirmed.

#4: I'd go with #2 again, not using them per se.

#5: Thief, Sorceress and Merchant's special abilities, Acquisition Spell, etc. I'd say.

Hmm... I never thought about that whole issue of the Cursed Glade and a Bag of Carrying, et al. And that one goes all the way back to Talisman 2E. Interesting. But then Talisman in its hodge podge of the fantastical all stuck in a very simple architecture has always had loads of loopholes, glitches, and conundrums.

The Cursed Glades instructions include "...nor may you use any Magic Objects." To me, this simply means that anything in a magical container (and that doesn't include the Pocket), simply can't be accessed. That stuff is stuck in there until you leave. I don't see anything contextually or externally that would cause what's in those containers to disappear, and I think the having what's in them be stuck in them is enough.

Clarifying answers to reduce the arguments, direct from John Goodenough himself.

Drucifer said:

A: The Concealed Pouch is an Object, not a Magic Object.

Drucifer said:

A: Only if the character exceeds his object carrying limits (see page 12 in the base game's rulebook).

Drucifer said:

A: Yes.

Drucifer said:

A: Only if the character exceeds his object carrying limits (see page 12 in the base game's rulebook).

Drucifer said:

A: The important wording on the Concealed Pouch, Bag of Carrying and Bag of Holding is that they cannot be taken by a character's special ability or Spell. They may be taken by other means, such as defeating the "Trickster" Enemy. A character may force the Concealed Pouch, Bag of Carrying and Bag of Holding to be ditched or discarded such as casting the Shatter or Gust of Wind Spell.

Thank you John and the Talisman Team.

Dru

Drucifer said:

Hmmm... interesting. So I guess regardless that magic has been nullified, anything in those containers just "magically" leaps out. The rest of the answers make some sense.

JCHendee said:

I would say no, nothing leaps out. From memory the Bag of Carrying (and similar items) state that if you lose them you lose all they contain. As per the following from another thread:

Q: Bag of Holding questions.

1. How can you lose the bag? 2. Can you ditch the bag and what will happen with the objects (is it the same as the mule..)? 3. What will happen if gust of wind is cast. ( does it not effect the bag)?

A: The only restriction is that the Bag (and Pouch) cannot be "taken" by anyone. You can lose them if someone was to use Shatter or Gust of Wind on them. Other than that, you have to it or be turned into a Toad. If you ditch it you would be able to rearrange things before you do so. If it has a spell cast on it or you are Toaded then you lose what's in it.