Han vs OL

By bgrelle, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Did a quick search for my topic title and didn't see an answer so I thought I would ask it even though I think I know the answer. If OL has Han locked can Han use his ability and re-roll attack dice or does OL's ability cancel that?

Han's ability is still a reroll, so still comes under the 'modify dice' step.

That is what I was thinking but felt bad telling my 8 year old daughter she couldn't do that outright and that I would ask the forum.

Don't take denial effects against an 8 year old would be my advice.

The problem actually raised it's head in the game thanks to my wife (who was flying Poe at the time) tried to use TL on OL earlier in the game due to being too close to Carner Jax to be able to Focus and I then told her she couldn't re-roll with the TL because I had Poe locked at the time. Then later in the game I had Han locked with my daughter flying him and I decided to let her make the re-rolls but said I wasn't sure (even though when thinking about how the ability worked as basically a TL and shouldn't work) and that I would get confirmation. I am still new to the game and some of the ability conflicts get to me. We, as a rule, follow the rules of any game we are playing even with the kids so they don't get used to playing one way just because they are young then get told later that the game doesn't work that way.

OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

LOL, He isn't as big a jerk as Carner but you are right he can be very irritating for an opponent. ;)

OL is just a bully, he picks on one person and denies them.

Carnor is a mafia boss. You dont do JACK around the boss without his sayso, or else.

But yeah i'd avoid denials in a friendly game especially against a little kid. I feel mean enough as it is using Juke against a 9yr old kid at my store lol

But yes, literally anything that isnt raw dice rolls does not work when OL is involved.

OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

LOL, He isn't as big a jerk as Carner but you are right he can be very irritating for an opponent. ;)

He's so much more xD

Juke turns into Crackshot with his ability...

Yup. OL with Juke and Comm is Fat Han's worst nightmare, basically, he just ignores all of Han's goodies and reliably jams a damage down his throat every round until he dies. C3PO? Nah. Evade action? Lol. Focus? Nope. After all, that, manage to roll an evade on your single die? Knocked over.

Reroll everything? lolnope. Gunner? Fiiiine I'll be out at range 2 with my four dice and focus/evade.

Yup. OL with Juke and Comm is Fat Han's worst nightmare, basically, he just ignores all of Han's goodies and reliably jams a damage down his throat every round until he dies. C3PO? Nah. Evade action? Lol. Focus? Nope. After all, that, manage to roll an evade on your single die? Knocked over.

Reroll everything? lolnope. Gunner? Fiiiine I'll be out at range 2 with my four dice and focus/evade.

How do you get 4 dice at range 2 with OL? Even with SD it would only be 3.

OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

LOL, He isn't as big a jerk as Carner but you are right he can be very irritating for an opponent. ;)

He's so much more xD

Juke turns into Crackshot with his ability...

Hadn't thought about that but now that you mention it, it's not just Crackshot, it's unlimited use Crackshot. :o :D

Yup. OL with Juke and Comm is Fat Han's worst nightmare, basically, he just ignores all of Han's goodies and reliably jams a damage down his throat every round until he dies. C3PO? Nah. Evade action? Lol. Focus? Nope. After all, that, manage to roll an evade on your single die? Knocked over.

Reroll everything? lolnope. Gunner? Fiiiine I'll be out at range 2 with my four dice and focus/evade.

How do you get 4 dice at range 2 with OL? Even with SD it would only be 3.

Yup. OL with Juke and Comm is Fat Han's worst nightmare, basically, he just ignores all of Han's goodies and reliably jams a damage down his throat every round until he dies. C3PO? Nah. Evade action? Lol. Focus? Nope. After all, that, manage to roll an evade on your single die? Knocked over.

Reroll everything? lolnope. Gunner? Fiiiine I'll be out at range 2 with my four dice and focus/evade.

How do you get 4 dice at range 2 with OL? Even with SD it would only be 3.

3 base plus sd is 4...

Oh good grief what was I thinking, you are right, I must be over tired or something. :(

That is what I was thinking but felt bad telling my 8 year old daughter she couldn't do that outright and that I would ask the forum.

You play OL against an 8 year old? That's cold...

I feel guilty taking her against 30 year olds.

OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

He's a jerk, but Wes ruins his party trick.

That is what I was thinking but felt bad telling my 8 year old daughter she couldn't do that outright and that I would ask the forum.

You play OL against an 8 year old? That's cold...

I feel guilty taking her against 30 year olds.

What I was playing was my usual 100 point list of OL with Juke and Comm Relay, Echo with VI, FCS, and ACD, and Carnor with Royal Guard Title, AT, PTL, and SD. Against my wife flying Poe in the T70, my son (6) flying Boba in the Firespray and my daughter (8) flying Han in the YT1300. With no upgrades they had 116 squad points and if it wasn't for some REALLY lucky rolling on my part and some REALLY unlucky rolling on theirs they would have won fast. And like I said in an earlier post we try to play things using at least most of the rules correctly.

OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

He's a jerk, but Wes ruins his party trick.

OK, showing my NEWB card here but who is Wes and what does he do?

OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

He's a jerk, but Wes ruins his party trick.

OK, showing my NEWB card here but who is Wes and what does he do?

Wes can strip Omega Leader's target lock.

Wes-janson.png

The new Black One title will also counter OL's ability pretty well. It lets you remove a target lock from a friendly at range 1 (including the ship with the title) after performing a boost or barrel-roll.

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OL is a jerk. Don't run him if you want to be nice.

He's a jerk, but Wes ruins his party trick.

OK, showing my NEWB card here but who is Wes and what does he do?

Wes can strip Omega Leader's target lock.

Wes-janson.png

The new Black One title will also counter OL's ability pretty well. It lets you remove a target lock from a friendly at range 1 (including the ship with the title) after performing a boost or barrel-roll.

OK, yes that would do it.

The sooner your daughter learns the world's a cruel unfair place the better, it'll prepare her to throw others under the buses later in life so she becomes a success.