Me? I want to use the one that kills the Demolisher in a single hit.

Your wish is granted.

Battle Cruiser. Raymus Antilles, Veteran Gunners, SW7, QTC, H9.

With CF dial it'll roll 8 dices with Veteran Gunners reroll and CF token reroll.

One red hit can be set to accuracy with H9 (which will lock brace and redirect). now you need to get 7 hits on seven remaining dices (i.e. 3 hits on 3 red dices cause SW7) to kill it with the ram. With this amount of rerolling it should be very likely.

Don't forget you get to add a red dice set to an accuracy from QTC, rerollable with VG, so you can actually be throwing 9 dice out of the front

I didn't. I assume that both accuracies (native or H9-added one and QTC extra die) are necessary to block brace AND redirect. This leaves 3 red and 4 blue dices to work with/reroll.

A lot of things can one-shot a Demolisher. Start with XI7's and leading shots and roll as many dice as possible. Ackbar MC80s or Liberty, and ISD's can all probably do it pretty reliable if you can get a full powered CF shot off.

Edit - The trick against Demolisher is to somehow get that shot off before it eats your face...

3 engine teching corvettes can one shot demo...

3 engine teching corvettes can one shot demo...

Well, technically, that's 3 Shots...

3 engine teching corvettes can one shot demo...

Nope, they can't. Note the word shot

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

Isn't that what people advocate XI7s for?

::shrug::

I mean, like I said, I don't know... I'm just not excited over the Liberty at all at the moment.

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

Edit: Ninja'd by Draaaaaaaas

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

This is why I'm in the XI-7/XX-9/SW-7 with title camp. With one accuracy to block the brace you can either make me re-roll one die or redirect a single point of damage. In that case you would need 9 damage if shooting the front arc ( 3+1+5 hull), and you get double the chance of getting a structural from XX-9. And that's without a ram

Edit: Ninja'd by Draaaaaaaas

Good point about XI7. Still its one more damage then the amount of dices, so it requires at least one double and no misses. In my version of the build the amount of damage is equal to the amount of dices, so the kill is more likely

If you want to potentially long one shot a Demolisher your best bet is probably an Ackbar Assault MC80 Defiance with XI7s, leading shots, and CF dial. Add two blues with Defiance and the dial and its not unlikley. But that's not Liberty so it's off topic.

the thing about Mon Karren is that it's defense token mitigation that frees up the officer and turbolaser slots

which might make it interesting if you're fishing for crits as well, since it disallows the combo of brace + evade/redirect or all of the above, which may or may not make it an interesting platform for XX-9 +/- General D

granted there are two turbolasers

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

This is why I'm in the XI-7/XX-9/SW-7 with title camp. With one accuracy to block the brace you can either make me re-roll one die or redirect a single point of damage. In that case you would need 9 damage if shooting the front arc ( 3+1+5 hull), and you get double the chance of getting a structural from XX-9. And that's without a ram

Edit: Ninja'd by Draaaaaaaas

So...with that build, you are paying eight points to prevent either a single rerolled die or a single point of redirect?

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

This is why I'm in the XI-7/XX-9/SW-7 with title camp. With one accuracy to block the brace you can either make me re-roll one die or redirect a single point of damage. In that case you would need 9 damage if shooting the front arc ( 3+1+5 hull), and you get double the chance of getting a structural from XX-9. And that's without a ram

Edit: Ninja'd by Draaaaaaaas

So...with that build, you are paying eight points to prevent either a single rerolled die or a single point of redirect?

In this instance yes. But against other ships it more than makes its points back. ISD's and MC80's can no longer Brace/redirect/contain etc, and other ships (rebels) live and die by the evade/redirect combo, which I have effectively completely neutered

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

This is why I'm in the XI-7/XX-9/SW-7 with title camp. With one accuracy to block the brace you can either make me re-roll one die or redirect a single point of damage. In that case you would need 9 damage if shooting the front arc ( 3+1+5 hull), and you get double the chance of getting a structural from XX-9. And that's without a ram

Edit: Ninja'd by Draaaaaaaas

So...with that build, you are paying eight points to prevent either a single rerolled die or a single point of redirect?

In this instance yes. But against other ships it more than makes its points back. ISD's and MC80's can no longer Brace/redirect/contain etc, and other ships (rebels) live and die by the evade/redirect combo, which I have effectively completely neutered

But MK does that on its own. Check https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/224253-mc80-liberty-a-comparison-of-various-loadouts/

Isn't it easier to intend to roll 8 damage flat, block the brace with a single acc, and run the title?

If the brace is blocked, Demo is going to redirect (even with the title) and then it'll take 9 damage (3+2+4 hull) to kill with ram.

This is why I'm in the XI-7/XX-9/SW-7 with title camp. With one accuracy to block the brace you can either make me re-roll one die or redirect a single point of damage. In that case you would need 9 damage if shooting the front arc ( 3+1+5 hull), and you get double the chance of getting a structural from XX-9. And that's without a ram

Edit: Ninja'd by Draaaaaaaas

Good point about XI7. Still its one more damage then the amount of dices, so it requires at least one double and no misses. In my version of the build the amount of damage is equal to the amount of dices, so the kill is more likely

Or single hits+ram, or a single structural, which I will fish for with VG if I didn't get a crit in the first pool

Or single hits+ram, or a single structural, which I will fish for with VG if I didn't get a crit in the first pool

I already accounted for ram in this calculation. I'll probably run simulation tomorrow and give probabilities for each build. However, again, the build that i proposed was done with a single goal in mind: maximize the possibility of killing a Demo in one shot.

I think we shall see how good it is once it gets on the table. It really is hard to not use the AF Mk 2. I just hated the Demolisher for so long, that I kinda got obsessed....

the liberty and the Afmk2 aren't even remotely similar, though

apart from the Neb, I don't actually think you could find two more polarly opposed ships

though Demo will probably give the liberty fits, I don't think the Afmk2 and it overlap in even the slightest bit (except when going for a carrier build, I guess, but I don't see the appeal of that on the liberty despite the aptly named title)