New Wave VIII FAQ with Timing Chart(and lots of timing ruling revisions)

By Otacon, in X-Wing

Damnit. I wanted 'Gonk' to go un-FAQ'd so long it became a living legend for rule lawyers. The 'Keyser Söze' of droids.

Also, no more Multi-Evade?!? Lando(Crew) just got kicked in the nutz.

And Palp Aces are now just, well, insane? Even more so? Cool.

How so? I'm probably being dumb but a lot of the FAQ goes over my head, particularly how it improves palp aces and nerds scouts.

Tactician + TLT no longer double stresses, which was a key interaction to cripple aces. Uboats are less powerful, which, even though they werent superior to Palp Aces, were one of the only lists that could go toe to toe with them when flown by a top level player. No IGs getting FCS TL for the 2nd attack means they are really gonna struggle against aces since that was the main interaction that allowed them an opportunity to break through all their modifiers.

Sweet. My TLT, tactician, ghost/phantom combo is now terrible. One of the few credible threats to palp aces rebels could bring. Guess it's back to the drawing board for regionals in 2 weeks. I was hoping to use a list I had 0 practice with...

I just got an answer from Frank on....nevermind.

Wait, FCS got nerfed?

Wait, FCS got nerfed?

Yes a bit, but I'm not sure how many used TLT/Cluster Missiles with FCS. Maybe the VCX, but that's about it.

Edited by Sithborg

And Palp Aces are now just, well, insane? Even more so? Cool.

How so? I'm probably being dumb but a lot of the FAQ goes over my head, particularly how it improves palp aces and nerds scouts.

Tactician + TLT no longer double stresses, which was a key interaction to cripple aces. Uboats are less powerful, which, even though they werent superior to Palp Aces, were one of the only lists that could go toe to toe with them when flown by a top level player. No IGs getting FCS TL for the 2nd attack means they are really gonna struggle against aces since that was the main interaction that allowed them an opportunity to break through all their modifiers.

FCS IGB still works since you're performing a whole new attack. It's only FCS, TLT and Cluster Missiles that got weakened.

Well, this is interesting timing for a new FAQ for the two UK Regionals tomorrow...

Does the FAQ go into effect immediately? Will we end up with JM15K players crying into their pints?

Its effective NOW.

Weeeeeelllllll, U-Boats are finished.

You're joking, right? Many of the best builds weren't even using Agromech. Makes minimal difference and actually buffs them in some matches

How does the FAQ buff them?

Wait, FCS got nerfed?

Yes a bit, but I'm not sure how many used TLT/Cluster Missiles with FCS. Maybe the VCX, but that's about it.

Whelp. There goes my dream of a viable FCS/Cluster Missle Punisher spam list.

And Palp Aces are now just, well, insane? Even more so? Cool.

How so? I'm probably being dumb but a lot of the FAQ goes over my head, particularly how it improves palp aces and nerds scouts.

Tactician + TLT no longer double stresses, which was a key interaction to cripple aces. Uboats are less powerful, which, even though they werent superior to Palp Aces, were one of the only lists that could go toe to toe with them when flown by a top level player. No IGs getting FCS TL for the 2nd attack means they are really gonna struggle against aces since that was the main interaction that allowed them an opportunity to break through all their modifiers.

FCS IGB still works since you're performing a whole new attack. It's only FCS, TLT and Cluster Missiles that got weakened.

Ok that helps. Misread it. Thanks for clarifying.

Sweet. My TLT, tactician, ghost/phantom combo is now terrible. One of the few credible threats to palp aces rebels could bring. Guess it's back to the drawing board for regionals in 2 weeks. I was hoping to use a list I had 0 practice with...

I don't have the best understanding of the rules, but doesn't this help the TLT, ghost/phantom combo at least in the sense that you get to take both TLT shots (on the second shot) Since it is considered a single attack?

Yup. Ghost gets TLT back. Crap.

Further FBA nerf. No more FBA at zero health for simultaneous fire.

The 3 people on earth who actually use the Lando crew card will no longer need it. He can keep Leia company as a table shim.

Edited by balindamood

"Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack. If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender because the enemy ship becomes the defender after the cost for the attack is paid. See "Timing Chart for Performing an Attack" on page 6."

now its even more confusing??? "Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack."

" If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender" which is it? can you use the target lock or not??? I did like scum Ys and if you cant use the TL whats the point of the agromec ability? or can you just not use that ability if you are using deadeye and agromec...

In step 9 of the new attack timing chart what does the "1 ability" mean?

Resolve 1 ability of player with initiative

If you have multiple abilities that resolve after the attack I'm guess you still get them but I'm just checking?

So how will Drea work with TLT and target locks?

I'm going to miss going full macross missile massacre with redline. The changes to how Cluster missiles and FCS interact hurts my soul.

Edited by Wilhelm Screamer

"Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack. If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender because the enemy ship becomes the defender after the cost for the attack is paid. See "Timing Chart for Performing an Attack" on page 6."

now its even more confusing??? "Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack."

" If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender" which is it? can you use the target lock or not??? I did like scum Ys and if you cant use the TL whats the point of the agromec ability? or can you just not use that ability if you are using deadeye and agromec...

Deadeye + R4 Agro now does not interact since when you spend the Focus token to use Deadeye you do not yet have a target. If on say a Y-wing, you spent your Focus to convert Eyeballs to hits, you would gain a Target Lock for spending the Focus token which you could then spend immediately to reroll dice.

"Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack. If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender because the enemy ship becomes the defender after the cost for the attack is paid. See "Timing Chart for Performing an Attack" on page 6."

now its even more confusing??? "Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack."

" If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender" which is it? can you use the target lock or not??? I did like scum Ys and if you cant use the TL whats the point of the agromec ability? or can you just not use that ability if you are using deadeye and agromec...

If you have two focus tokens (manaroo, RecSpec), you can spend one with Deadeye to shoot, spend the other with Agromech, gain a TL, and reroll it.

"Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack. If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender because the enemy ship becomes the defender after the cost for the attack is paid. See "Timing Chart for Performing an Attack" on page 6."

now its even more confusing??? "Target locks acquired using R4 Agromech’s ability may be used during that attack."

" If a ship equipped with R4 Agromech is attacking with a secondary weapon that requires the ship to spend a focus token (such as a Blaster Turret or any weapon used with Deadeye), that ship cannot acquire a target lock on the defender" which is it? can you use the target lock or not??? I did like scum Ys and if you cant use the TL whats the point of the agromec ability? or can you just not use that ability if you are using deadeye and agromec...

So Deadeye and Blaster turret won't work, but there are other ways to spend a focus.

EXAMPLE: If you roll a focus and 2 blanks, you can use a focus token to flip one die, R4 kicks in to give you a TL, and then you can use the TL to reroll the other 2 dice.

Yup. Ghost gets TLT back. Crap.

On the other hand, its tlt got nerfed since it only gets the fcs target lovk every other attack now instead of every shot

So how will Drea work with TLT and target locks?

Still can be used for both attacks. It is out of the scope of the changes made (does not interact with "perform attack twice" or "after attacking". The trigger is spending the TL, so works the same)

So how will Drea work with TLT and target locks?

She works the same. she just says after you spend. In the same vein as OCR4 still working.

And people thought I was crazy for running her all this time lol.

Edited by Timathius