It makes sense. Yoda and Obi-Wan seemed to have way more patience than he did. If he were alive he'd either be fighting the good fight still (which he isn't) or he'd be a shell of his former self; broken and crippled, no longer the Mace Windu of the Jedi order.

I agree the man not being same as he was. Personally I don't care is he alive or dead in any of your games. If it works for you, great.

Alas, he's in the same state as Boba Fett is at the moment. Both alive and dead until Disney Canon confirms one of the two. The difference between the two is there are at least "Legends" of Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc... There are no Legends of Mace Windu after his fall.

Schrödinger's Windu and Fett. I love it.

All that and I think Mace is an incredibly overrated character that showed just how far the Jedi had gotten from their true purpose. He tried to assassinate Supreme Chancellor Palpatine!

This "showed just how far the Jedi had gotten from their true purpose" is exactly the thing I liked him most.

That said, I am not trying to tell you how to view anything or what to believe. I'm just stating the character is canonically dead until more stories about him post RotS are made. Also that I personally would prefer him to stay dead.

I agree (on the canonical part. I still don't care very much about to which state schrödinger's windu ends up.)

Few thoughs regarding Windu and EotE game. Mace Windu was 15 years older than Kenobi, so he's quite a old if game era is the default. Personally, I think that idea of old disillusioned (maybe alcoholic) Windu, and bottom of his life would be interesting thing in game, but I probably wouldn't use it in default era (approx 0 BBY - 3 ABY if I have understood correctly), because 72+ years old Windu would be quite a geriatric and I couldn't see him very usefull at any way, at least if he has been living with a bottle for 19 years (which in my game he probably would have). But in game which would be set at e.g. 15BBY, might be interesting. Can PCs help him redeem himself, or will he finally give up and fall.

If I'd use Windu in default era game, he would probably be old man in streetcorner telling stories (1) for few credits to buy food/booze. He might redeem himself in death, for example helping PCs, but PCs might not even realize who he is/was. Anyway, he would be in small role, because I want PCs to be the main cast of my games. (Because about half of my GMing life (twenty years with some long gaps), my greatest sin was to make Mary Sueish NPCs to save the day. Nevermore.)

(1) After all, "Windu, a diplomat by nature, believed in the power of words over action." Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20110903003408/http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/macewindu/index.htmlbut after reading the old starwars.com page about Windu, I think that most what I wrote above is obsolete.

Yes and jedi are great at blocking blaster shots and can sense incoming dangers seconds ahead which allow them to react... except when it comes to Order 66 and all the jedi suddenly just lose all their powers for the sake of the plot.

One of the clever things mentioned about order 66 is this. Firstly, ther was no ill will involved here against the jedi except from Palpatine, so the jedi cannot sense this ahead of time, this gives them no reason to turn their concentration to defending against their allies, when order 66 is dropped , again the clones follow progamming to attack also leaving the jedi to believe that they are safe from their allies. That being said droids are similar but jedi do still react to them, but when fighting on their own will often fall to a lot of droids.

In RotS I would say a few of them shown do sense that something is wrong and manage to defend themselves, yoda and obiwan certainly do , ki adi mundi appears to as well, Depa Belapa (or whatever her name is) gets enough forewarning Kanan gets away (albeit this is not in the film). Although there are a lot of holes in the storylines of the prequels and the orignial trilogy, the fact that jedi couldnt sense what was happening Im sure isnt one of them, but even after the order is given they would have felt they had little to fear from the clones until the shots were already on the way, and then they would be fighting a battle with one foe on on side and another on the other.

Edit a bigger plot hole would be how Palpatine was able to stand in front of the majority of the jedi council and hide that he was a sith lord. Also what made Sheev so sure he could pull that one off without being caught its not like you can get to test that it would work by just getting the nearest jedi council and seeing if you can pull it off. So he must have had some balls to even try it.

Edit a bigger plot hole would be how Palpatine was able to stand in front of the majority of the jedi council and hide that he was a sith lord. Also what made Sheev so sure he could pull that one off without being caught its not like you can get to test that it would work by just getting the nearest jedi council and seeing if you can pull it off. So he must have had some balls to even try it.

I always got the impression that someone with the Force could only sense another Force user if they're actually using the Force. Obi-Wan stayed hidden on Tatooine for so long because he kept to himself and didn't use his powers. Vader couldn't sense Luke's presence until Luke had enough training to actually use the Force. If Palpatine restricted himself to using political power throughout most of the prequel films, none of the Jedi would have sensed anything amiss about him. He didn't use any overt powers until some time in Episode III when he started shooting Force Lightning, and by then he wasn't hiding anymore. He didn't need to use the Force for his dark plots, his manipulation of people and political skills were enough.

Back to the main topic, if Mace survived I could see him hiding out in the lower levels of the Coruscant slums, a broken, scarred, and crippled man who was afraid to use his powers for fear of discovery. No prosthetic arm for this man, he's a one-armed ancient beggar that you'd never look at twice.

Yes, I can see it, will we ever see Mace in a film again, I doubt it he did get a mention in Lost Stars as being a jedi terrorist in the history of those being trained by the empire.

From wookiepedia - the Empire falsely claimed that Windu was the leader of a so-called "criminal gang" that interfered with a legal execution on the planet Geonosis prior to the subsequent Battle of Geonosis.

Like I said ...... other characters have survived worse. There is no logical reason to be so invested in seeing this one character dead. I get how in your games he's dead. But dude seriously you are putting a lot of time and thought into proving to people that they too should think he's dead in a setting that has proved that far worse fates are survivable.

Yes I am putting a lot of time and thought into it.

Here's the thing though...

Almost everyone else here is putting the same amount of time and thought into Mace being alive.

2 sides of the same coin. My side is just more pessimistic.

Like I said ...... other characters have survived worse. There is no logical reason to be so invested in seeing this one character dead. I get how in your games he's dead. But dude seriously you are putting a lot of time and thought into proving to people that they too should think he's dead in a setting that has proved that far worse fates are survivable.

Yes I am putting a lot of time and thought into it.

Here's the thing though...

Almost everyone else here is putting the same amount of time and thought into Mace being alive.

2 sides of the same coin. My side is just more pessimistic.

No .... not really.

If Darth Maul can get cut in half at the waist, and fall down a deep shaft... anyone can survive afterwards

Writers will always come up with some way to bring them back if there is no body, and no funeral. and even then in star wars they can clone them from parts they find lying around

Yes I am putting a lot of time and thought into it.

Here's the thing though...

Almost everyone else here is putting the same amount of time and thought into Mace being alive.

2 sides of the same coin. My side is just more pessimistic.

You don't really need to, though. Your "opinion" is canon. Mace is presumed to be dead, as far as everyone is concerned. Coming up with a plausible way for him to have survived somehow and yet managed to not be found for all that time, that takes some thought and explanation. You just need to say that officially he's dead and that's it.

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Boba Fett is dead.

Actually I would say that Boba Fett is canonically "alive" although not in a useful fashion after all "in his belly you will learn a new definition of pain and suffering as you are slowly digested over the next thousand years"

LoL I think his body might take that long to digest, but he was probably crushed to death in the sarlacc's mouth and gizzard. And if not, he's surely starved to death after awhile. Or suffocated.

I know in the comics, they wrote his escape from the creature, but that's non-canon EU stuff. He died poorly - a punk death - for such a cool character.

I dislike the PT simply because it failed to explain what was really going on.

My point of view is that the "Jedi" who were associated with the Republic were always inclined towards the darkside and Palpatine was a former force user who left the order to work full time with the Senate earning his reputation as a fine politician and leader albeit never demonstrated the kind of evil inclinations other Republci Jedi such as Count Dooku demonstrated which is what caused the Clone Wars in the first place.

The Separatists were a legal and legitimate cause, the Republic Jedi used them to villify the other Jedi Orders that didn't bow to their whims since I treated Yoda as being head of the monastic version of the Order who remained apart from the Republic to practice their studies into the force unfettered by the selflish intrigues associated with the Republic.

Palpatine took advantage of both sides arranging Quigon Jinn's death with Maul actually being the head of the Sith really a black ops unit sworn to the Republic Jedi Grandmaster and Palpatine insured Maul's death so he could assume control of the "Sith" and the clone troopers were intended to provide the Republic an army of loyalists separate from the Republic's actual army which was composed from the member worlds so their loyalty would always be to their home world rather than the Republic.

The coup was intended from the very start, Palpatine used it to invoke Order 66 thereby allowing him to turn the Republic into the Empire and hide his machinations.

To me Obi-Wan was a Republic Knight whose actions in TPM resulted in Yoda offering him training, which he eventually accepted.

Anakin at end of AOTC is assumed killed by Dooku but Palpatine cloned Anakin using that severed hand and tried to pass him off as Anakin which Obi-Wan eventually saw through so when he thought he killed Vader on Mustafar he actually did the Emperor tried to restore Vader in Anakin's body but failed an event that wasn't revealed until Luke was attacked by Palpatine resulting in Anakin killing the Emperor.

My assumption is that Luke & Leia were conceived during the events of AOTC meaning ROTS happened within 7-9 months of their marriage.

Not going to happen, but I'd still have Mace survive because then we have a reasonable nemesis for Vader to be hunting during the Dark Times and why he never focused on locating Ahsoka given he'd have every chance now wouldn't he?!

Nobody puts Windy in the corner.

Because nobody likes the smell when Windy puts in the corner.

LoL I think his body might take that long to digest, but he was probably crushed to death in the sarlacc's mouth and gizzard. And if not, he's surely starved to death after awhile. Or suffocated.

I know in the comics, they wrote his escape from the creature, but that's non-canon EU stuff. He died poorly - a punk death - for such a cool character.

If he died immediately he wouldn't have learned a new definition of pain and suffering in the sarlacc's belly as he is slowly digested