Deadeye Rules-Lawyer

By Azrapse, in X-Wing Rules Questions

The situation is this:

TIE Bomber has a Target Lock on an X-Wing. The TIE Bomber has equipped Deadeye and Proton Torpedoes.

During the round, the TIE Bomber gets a Focus token. The X-Wing evades the bomber's firing arc, but a Y-Wing is in arc and at the right range for the torpedoes.

The Proton Torpedoes card says:

"Attack (Target Lock): Spend your target lock and discard this card to attack."

The Deadeye card says:

"You may treat the Attack (Target Lock): header as Attack (Focus):

When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may instead spend a focus token"

The TIE Bomber player decides to use only the first paragraph of the Deadeye card in order to remove the requirement of having a target lock on the defender. Because the second paragraph has a "may" in it, it is optional and he decides not to use it.

So he uses his focus token to target the Y-Wing, but decides to discard his target lock instead of discarding the focus token. The target lock was on the X-Wing, but the proton torpedoes doesn't demand it to be on the defender.

He spends his focus token to modify his roll.

Is the TIE Bomber player following the rules as written?

I would say no. The TL in ordnance cards has to be on the target to be valid to spend it. But I don't think it's 100% clear.

Short answer, NO. With a TL and a focus you have the option of either spending either the TL or focus to fire the torp. BUT if the TL is on a ship that is not being shot at, then the focus must be spent to launch the torpedoes. The TL is not available to modify dice.

Nvm

Edited by dhowtocor

While attacking, a ship can spend a target lock that it has on the defender to reroll any number of its attack dice.

According to the rules, Target Locks are only spent when attacking the ship that has the Target Lock on it.

He cannot fire the Torpedoes unless he spends his Focus Token (in lieu of having the required Target Lock he is supposed to have on the defending Y-Wing in order to use the Torpedoes). The key word here is spend. He cannot remove an existing TL in lieu of spending his Focus. The only way he can use the Torpedoes is by spending a TL - removing a TL is not the same as spending one (hint: you re-roll previously rolled dice when you spend a TL...).

Stoneface said it plain enough - I am just elaborating at this point.

I'll say no as well.

You could use the focus to fire a torp at the Y-Wing because Deadeye, which means you have to discard the Focus. Then because the TL is on the X-Wing it can't be used.

It is funny, this is really a case someone could try to Rule Lawyer, it is implied in the rule but really subtle. Here is the rule:

The “Attack (target lock):” header indicates
that the attacker must have a target lock on the
defender. The attacker does not need to spend
this target lock unless instructed by the Upgrade
card.

Because they say "THIS" target lock, it is implied that you have to spend the same target lock then the one to "activate" the attack.

He's definitely not following the rules correctly. Deadeye means you HAVE to spend the focus (if the ordinance is one that you'd normallqhave to spend a TL on)

He's definitely not following the rules correctly. Deadeye means you HAVE to spend the focus (if the ordinance is one that you'd normallqhave to spend a TL on)

It actually doesn't:

"You may treat the Attack (target lock): header as Attack (focus):.

When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may spend a focus token instead."

SO if you had a focus and a TL on the same person, you could technically spend treat it as attack: focus, and then spend the TL anyway. There's no current reason why you would do, though, but there might be in future someone who gets benefits for using attack:focus weapons.

You couldn't spend a TL on someone else either way though because ornance specifies that the tl has to be on the target.

I'm just adding to the chorus but using Deadeye means spending the Focus Token if the upgrade calls for spending a token to fire.

Unless I'm forgetting something everything a TL can do for you only applies between the two ships at either end of the TL token pair. Forget Deadeye and ordnance for a second and ask yourself if you could spend the TL to reroll dice when making an attack against a completely different ship?

Thanks, people. :)

He's definitely not following the rules correctly. Deadeye means you HAVE to spend the focus (if the ordinance is one that you'd normallqhave to spend a TL on)

It actually doesn't:

"You may treat the Attack (target lock): header as Attack (focus):.

When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may spend a focus token instead."

SO if you had a focus and a TL on the same person, you could technically spend treat it as attack: focus, and then spend the TL anyway. There's no current reason why you would do, though, but there might be in future someone who gets benefits for using attack:focus weapons.

You couldn't spend a TL on someone else either way though because ornance specifies that the tl has to be on the target.

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