Flying casual isn't demanding that they do it or you force them to forfeit as one player claims to enjoy.
Who exactly is demanding anything or else? Fuzzzywookie... Well most things he posts are jokes. ParaGoomba Slayer... Just best to ignore most things he says. Because he seems to either be a troll or more likely he likes to act like one but really isn't like that IRL.
If you notice his sig says "Fly Casual
" meaning he's making a joke about it.
I reckon crit tokens are more important than drawing cards...
Drawing cards is random anyway, so it ultimately doesn't matter which one pops out when you're dealt a crit.
Forgetting to do the effects of that crit altogether? That's game changing.
That's mostly how I feel as well. There are niche cases where pulling all the crits matters, but those are few and far between. If a ship is destroyed, all damage cards are turned face-up and put into a damage discard pile. This pile is open information. If you have an optional ability that causes a critical hit, you may or may not want to activate that ability depending on what crits remain in the deck. In that case, drawing all the damage cards matters ... sort of. Because whether you draw the extra or not, the knowledge of the damage discard pile is still open and you can still make choices based on it regardless of what is left in the deck. But drawing more cards does give you more knowledge of what's left, so I guess it is good in that respect.
So that is one of those rules that I don't think is completely necessary, but I try my best to remember to play that way anyway.
Wow, love the comments condemning everyone who doesn't use a token I didn't even know existed but have "fly casual" as a sig or something similar.
You guys ARE NOT in any way shape or form even close to "flying casual" you are the people who give games a bad name. People like you are despised in magic and I hope you at least recognize you deserve to be despised in this game as well. You aren't ambassadors of the game you are who the ambassadors have to apologize for.
Play as strict as you want but you are everything that is wrong with every gaming community.
Stop saying that.
It doesn't mean anything. How about instead of misquoting a one liner from a movie we do one better...
Act like an Adult.
Be mature, take responsibility and play by the letter of the rule. And pay taxes.
Based on this theory ALL tokens are optional.
Actually, they kinda are.
I don't need to put that focus token down. I know that ship is taking a focus. It's a TIE fighter. What else is it gonna do? Barrel Roll? Gimme a break.
The players who would ask every 5 seconds if you were done yet, and if you made any head move would state you had said your turn was over and begin theirs. Technically it could be interpreted that way but you are being an ass.
I played mtg from revised til masque block and it was prevalent.
You want to be militant about the rules? Fine. But don't then pretend you care about casual flying. You are a militant rules lawyer who is exploiting a minor rule to dq a player at an event.
I've played magic against people who knew nothing and wanted to learn the game right up to people who made day-2 on the Pro tour. Not once have I encountered the behavior you claim to be prevalent. Do you think that perhaps it may be your attitude that is causing people to react to you this way?
I personally would never want to get someone DQ'd for not having a crit token. I may ask them to use one (actually doubtful but in theory I could). If I did and they said sure but I don't have them I'd lend them one of mine. If they started ranting about 'flying casual' and calling me a 'militant rules lawyer' I probably would call over the TO and ask them to observe the game. Not because I want a 'free win' but because I want BOTH players to abide by the rules. If their behavior then got them some form of penalty under the RULES of the competition they had AGREED TO when signing up for it then so be it, it's on them not me.
'Fly casual' has lost it's meaning and is used like a war banner for all sorts of reasons I imagine it's creators didn't intend. I actually want all my opponents to have fun playing our games but I'd also like them to follow the rules. I'm not sure why that is so offensive to you.
However you are obviously passionate about your version of the game and those who are allowed to play it so I'll leave you to it.
I think you and the guy from the other thread a few days ago should just play each other. Well assuming he hasn't got around to selling his collection yet.
Based on this theory ALL tokens are optional.
Actually, they kinda are.
I don't need to put that focus token down. I know that ship is taking a focus. It's a TIE fighter. What else is it gonna do? Barrel Roll? Gimme a break.
if you don't throw a focus token down playing against me, your not using the action. If someone calls it and doesn't put it out, I will have them put it out, I will also make sure they take it off the table when they use it, too many times other players have forgot to take it off the table when used. That is just sloppy play. I will throw out focus turn 1 just out of doing it correctly.
This thread has escalated quickly. I think it might be about to
go critical .
I've won countless games because people forget there tokens at home. It's in the rules for a reason.
Wait what???
Please elaborate? I'd hate to think you demanded opponents be disqualified over not having a crit token on them. I'm assuming that they didn't put down a crit token and forgot about a crit like console fire or something?
I've won countless games because people forget there tokens at home. It's in the rules for a reason.
Wait what???
Please elaborate? I'd hate to think you demanded opponents be disqualified over not having a crit token on them. I'm assuming that they didn't put down a crit token and forgot about a crit like console fire or something?
I have a strong feeling that Fuzzywookie means no games when he says countless games.
Not once have I encountered the behavior you claim to be prevalent.
I agree with most of what you said, but to be fair...
There were posts in this thread that had people saying they'd get someone DQ'ed for not using critical tokens... Now neither of those people were actually serious, or at least likely actually behave that way.
But if someone did espouse Fly Casual and did try to get someone DQ'ed for not having critical tokens... Well that would make them massive hypocrites. Saddly there are in fact people like that out there I imagine, people who use Fly Casual as yet another took in their WAAC toolbox.
What's really sad, is there's a few people who have posted here, who seem to behave that way in casual games.
Edited by VanorDMFor those who said that if you want me to put a crit token on my ship with on-going damage effect, you provide it for me...
Consider this, who is responsible for tracking damages on your ship? You or your opponent?
Isn't it cheating if you treat critical damages just like regular damages by disregarding the effects stated on the card?
Without using the crit token, there is a high probability that the players will not remember an on-going bad effects (i.e. stunned pilot, damaged engine) on a ship.
I might add that knowing that a ship has a crit effect can affect the decision on which ship you want to target, blocked, etc.
Edited by jpltanisI've played magic against people who knew nothing and wanted to learn the game right up to people who made day-2 on the Pro tour. Not once have I encountered the behavior you claim to be prevalent. Do you think that perhaps it may be your attitude that is causing people to react to you this way?The players who would ask every 5 seconds if you were done yet, and if you made any head move would state you had said your turn was over and begin theirs. Technically it could be interpreted that way but you are being an ass.
I played mtg from revised til masque block and it was prevalent.
You want to be militant about the rules? Fine. But don't then pretend you care about casual flying. You are a militant rules lawyer who is exploiting a minor rule to dq a player at an event.
I personally would never want to get someone DQ'd for not having a crit token. I may ask them to use one (actually doubtful but in theory I could). If I did and they said sure but I don't have them I'd lend them one of mine. If they started ranting about 'flying casual' and calling me a 'militant rules lawyer' I probably would call over the TO and ask them to observe the game. Not because I want a 'free win' but because I want BOTH players to abide by the rules. If their behavior then got them some form of penalty under the RULES of the competition they had AGREED TO when signing up for it then so be it, it's on them not me.
'Fly casual' has lost it's meaning and is used like a war banner for all sorts of reasons I imagine it's creators didn't intend. I actually want all my opponents to have fun playing our games but I'd also like them to follow the rules. I'm not sure why that is so offensive to you.
However you are obviously passionate about your version of the game and those who are allowed to play it so I'll leave you to it.
I think you and the guy from the other thread a few days ago should just play each other. Well assuming he hasn't got around to selling his collection yet.
I might add that knowing that a ship has a crit effect can affect the decision on which ship you want to target, blocked, etc.
Probably the best argument for using the token right there.
I played magic from Betrayers to present all across the United States and any time there's money on the line, even at fnm, you better believe there's players trying to get free wins by catching you missing triggers, and trying to trick you into it.
I've played magic against people who knew nothing and wanted to learn the game right up to people who made day-2 on the Pro tour. Not once have I encountered the behavior you claim to be prevalent. Do you think that perhaps it may be your attitude that is causing people to react to you this way?The players who would ask every 5 seconds if you were done yet, and if you made any head move would state you had said your turn was over and begin theirs. Technically it could be interpreted that way but you are being an ass.
I played mtg from revised til masque block and it was prevalent.
You want to be militant about the rules? Fine. But don't then pretend you care about casual flying. You are a militant rules lawyer who is exploiting a minor rule to dq a player at an event.
I personally would never want to get someone DQ'd for not having a crit token. I may ask them to use one (actually doubtful but in theory I could). If I did and they said sure but I don't have them I'd lend them one of mine. If they started ranting about 'flying casual' and calling me a 'militant rules lawyer' I probably would call over the TO and ask them to observe the game. Not because I want a 'free win' but because I want BOTH players to abide by the rules. If their behavior then got them some form of penalty under the RULES of the competition they had AGREED TO when signing up for it then so be it, it's on them not me.
'Fly casual' has lost it's meaning and is used like a war banner for all sorts of reasons I imagine it's creators didn't intend. I actually want all my opponents to have fun playing our games but I'd also like them to follow the rules. I'm not sure why that is so offensive to you.
However you are obviously passionate about your version of the game and those who are allowed to play it so I'll leave you to it.
I think you and the guy from the other thread a few days ago should just play each other. Well assuming he hasn't got around to selling his collection yet.
I'm genuinely sorry that is the case, it's not something that I had personally experienced here in the UK. The missed trigger rules changed so much in the last few years and were a real mess at points. I've always found that clear communication was paramount in avoiding misunderstandings and was very helpful in avoiding issues. I actually do a similar thing in X-Wing out of habit. Things like 'this TIE shoots at that X-wing, 2 dice plus one for range 1 ok?' then wait for my opponent to agree or disagree before rolling anything. In reverse I will not even pick up my green dice until I'm happy what my opponent is rolling for and I'll sure ask for clarification if there are more or less dice rolled than I think there should be. So far nobody had minded giving me explanations.
Another cross over from my Magic playing is that I do not see calling a Judge or TO over to be a personal attack on me or a declaration that I was cheating. It's simply a way to get an impartial ruling on the game state or a decision as how best to proceed after something has gone wrong.
The thing is that if people are going to be like you suggest then surely the best way of stamping that out and not falling foul of it is to know the rules, play to the rules and hold your opponent accountable to do the same.
Edited by FuzzywookieI have a strong feeling that Fuzzywookie means no games when he says countless games.Wait what???I've won countless games because people forget there tokens at home. It's in the rules for a reason.
Please elaborate? I'd hate to think you demanded opponents be disqualified over not having a crit token on them. I'm assuming that they didn't put down a crit token and forgot about a crit like console fire or something?
exactly. LolI have a strong feeling that Fuzzywookie means no games when he says countless games.Wait what???I've won countless games because people forget there tokens at home. It's in the rules for a reason.
Please elaborate? I'd hate to think you demanded opponents be disqualified over not having a crit token on them. I'm assuming that they didn't put down a crit token and forgot about a crit like console fire or something?
OMG. What is wrong with my fr!k!n phone??? Ugh.
Exactly.
OMG. What is wrong with my fr!k!n phone??? Ugh.
Damaged Sensor Array perhaps?
I use to never put crit tokens down until I found these from Recreator Studios.
Each token references a specific crit. Currently sold out though.
I use to never put crit tokens down until I found these from Recreator Studios.
Each token references a specific crit. Currently sold out though.
Ooo! Me want!
Without using the crit token, there is a high probability that the players will not remember an on-going bad effects (i.e. stunned pilot, damaged engine) on a ship.
Is there any actual data backing up the idea that a Crit token, often buried under 1-2 other tokens significantly affects the probability of people remembering a critical effect they forgot despite having the card right under their nose?
The list I've run the mostly this game to date has been Glittercrack Brobots. Let's say I lay down a critical damage token. Then I put a blue target lock token over it from FCS and over it a 3rd token (focus, evade or stres). How visible do you think the Crit token is on a cursory glance?
Without using the crit token, there is a high probability that the players will not remember an on-going bad effects (i.e. stunned pilot, damaged engine) on a ship.
The list I've run the mostly this game to date has been Glittercrack Brobots. Let's say I lay down a critical damage token. Then I put a blue target lock token over it from FCS and over it a 3rd token (focus, evade or stres). How visible do you think the Crit token is on a cursory glance?
Or you could place those tokens next to each other instead. Seems like the smartest move.
Without using the crit token, there is a high probability that the players will not remember an on-going bad effects (i.e. stunned pilot, damaged engine) on a ship.
The list I've run the mostly this game to date has been Glittercrack Brobots. Let's say I lay down a critical damage token. Then I put a blue target lock token over it from FCS and over it a 3rd token (focus, evade or stres). How visible do you think the Crit token is on a cursory glance?
Or you could place those tokens next to each other instead. Seems like the smartest move.
Yeah, I never stack tokens of different types on top of each other.
I need reminder tokens when I play a casual game with friends because I'm not laser-focused on the play-mat, trying to score some sweet acrylic. I mean reminder tokens that are not included with the game like Palpatine, Bossk and other crew. I even have a Glitterstim token.
Also, I don't think it's too much clutter to have a few tokens on each ship: if it looks too messy, just line em up nice & straight touching the ship wherever possible.
By the way I would never insist that my opponent must have any game token. I would just loan it for the match because I wanna play more games than I wanna win at all costs. But if my opponent didn't have components (stuff that nobody brought extras of) and it is actually needed, like obstacles, I guess that's an "easy" win for me- can't avoid it.
Edited by dewbie420