Seems to me that all the parties in the OP story could do to chill a bit.

The TO wasn't wrong to enforce the rule, but ultimately who really cares? I generally don't bother drawing the cards when something goes boom, and nobody has ever brought it up yet.

By the same token if it's really so meaningless to the OP - why not just do it?

It's not hard, draw a card. Boom, done, move on. If someone ever asked me to draw the correct number of damage cards I'd just get the hell on with it, it's a really, really, really minor and stupid thing. I might snicker at the individual who cared enough to enforce such a rule, but it's otherwise no skin off anyones nose.

TL;DR:

Chill. Everyone, just chill. It's a game.

So it seems like the TO noticed the mistake and informed the player of the rule. Then the player blew up the scenario by refusing to follow the rules. Sorry dude that you can't follow the rules and you want to sell your collection because of it.

Also one bad experience and you sell your collection? Talk about an overreaction.

Edit: this also makes me want to go to the Mynock tournaments even more, so next month maybe I'll decide to spend the gas money and make it out there for the first time.

I'll buy your stuff. $100.00

$120 and a bag of skittles.

Hmm, that's tempting. Throw in a hug?

Edit

Oh wait I see two bags of skittles on the table.

Do I hear 3?

a hug? That would be inappropriate.

There's nothing inappropriate about a good old fashioned hug.

So long as the recipient can see it coming.

Pfft as long as you yell surprise first everything's allowed.

I agree that getting upset over this is a clear over-reaction. I'm a chronic over-reactor so I should know. This is a solid hobby and not worth quitting over due to an overzealous TO. Let's be honest, much of your $600 was probably stuff you didn't use anyway. Take the money you made and buy some new stuff with it and get back in the game! Life's too short! Play Star Wars!

Seems to me that all the parties in the OP story could do to chill a bit.

From reports from an independent party that's not true. The TO apparently never really overreacted, only the OP did. Plus it's part of the TO's job to make sure everyone plays by the rules, and that includes rules that not everyone may think is a big deal.

Rules are rules. Why would anyone invest that much into a game and then NOT follow the rules at a tournament ?

Seems to me that all the parties in the OP story could do to chill a bit.

From reports from an independent party that's not true. The TO apparently never really overreacted, only the OP did. Plus it's part of the TO's job to make sure everyone plays by the rules, and that includes rules that not everyone may think is a big deal.

Read my whole post.

I happen to agree with the OP that it's a nigh-pointless rule which makes no difference to the game, and think anyone who cares to enforce it needs to chill. That said, it is a rule and if someone was to enforce it then I'd absolutely do it with narray a care in the world (because it'd take all of a couple of seconds, it is a rule, and why the hell not eh?).

Don't get me wrong, the OP clearly has no chill whatsoever, and definitely needs to calm the ...ahem... expletive, down. I'm not saying he was in any way correct in behaving the way he did (once again - I'd have drawn the cards and got on with my day, like a normal person).

I still think it's an entirely pointless rule to enforce though (I wouldn't enforce it, because, once again: normal person, better things to do with my time) - the TO was absolutely 100% technically correct in enforcing it, and from a certain viewpoint being technically correct is the best kind of correct. I'm not a technician though.

Rules are rules. Why would anyone invest that much into a game and then NOT follow the rules at a tournament ?

A TO can't allow a player to continue that knowingly disregards a rule and refuses to correct the situation when asked.

It doesn't matter what rule it is, you can't have a player in an event that has displayed a willingness to argue with and ignore the TOs rightful instructions.

Seems to me that all the parties in the OP story could do to chill a bit.

From reports from an independent party that's not true. The TO apparently never really overreacted, only the OP did. Plus it's part of the TO's job to make sure everyone plays by the rules, and that includes rules that not everyone may think is a big deal.

Read my whole post.

I happen to agree with the OP that it's a nigh-pointless rule which makes no difference to the game, and think anyone who cares to enforce it needs to chill. That said, it is a rule and if someone was to enforce it then I'd absolutely do it with narray a care in the world (because it'd take all of a couple of seconds, it is a rule, and why the hell not eh?).

Don't get me wrong, the OP clearly has no chill whatsoever, and definitely needs to calm the ...ahem... expletive, down. I'm not saying he was in any way correct in behaving the way he did (once again - I'd have drawn the cards and got on with my day, like a normal person).

I still think it's an entirely pointless rule to enforce though (I wouldn't enforce it, because, once again: normal person, better things to do with my time) - the TO was absolutely 100% technically correct in enforcing it, and from a certain viewpoint being technically correct is the best kind of correct. I'm not a technician though.

Rules are rules. Why would anyone invest that much into a game and then NOT follow the rules at a tournament ?

Standard sort of statement from people who can't tell the difference between rules that are absolutely fundamental to the running of the game, and rules which are part of the game but ultimately don't affect (effect? I never was very good at that) it.

I take it you always use critical hit tokens, the initiative token and are sure to follow every other tiny rule in the book, regardless of it's impact on a game.

It's not a pointless rule though. For instance just the other day I played a casual game on TTS and my Royal Guard Pilot died from a Brobot shot, but they're both PS6, so I could shoot back. I drew my damage cards though and got a Crit that was blinded pilot. I knew I was gonna die that round but I thought I could kill the Brobot and planned to do it. It dramatically changed the outcome. Situations like that are why you deal the damage cards.

Seems to me that all the parties in the OP story could do to chill a bit.

From reports from an independent party that's not true. The TO apparently never really overreacted, only the OP did. Plus it's part of the TO's job to make sure everyone plays by the rules, and that includes rules that not everyone may think is a big deal.

Read my whole post.

I happen to agree with the OP that it's a nigh-pointless rule which makes no difference to the game, and think anyone who cares to enforce it needs to chill. That said, it is a rule and if someone was to enforce it then I'd absolutely do it with narray a care in the world (because it'd take all of a couple of seconds, it is a rule, and why the hell not eh?).

Don't get me wrong, the OP clearly has no chill whatsoever, and definitely needs to calm the ...ahem... expletive, down. I'm not saying he was in any way correct in behaving the way he did (once again - I'd have drawn the cards and got on with my day, like a normal person).

I still think it's an entirely pointless rule to enforce though (I wouldn't enforce it, because, once again: normal person, better things to do with my time) - the TO was absolutely 100% technically correct in enforcing it, and from a certain viewpoint being technically correct is the best kind of correct. I'm not a technician though.

Rules are rules. Why would anyone invest that much into a game and then NOT follow the rules at a tournament ?

Standard sort of statement from people who can't tell the difference between rules that are absolutely fundamental to the running of the game, and rules which are part of the game but ultimately don't affect (effect? I never was very good at that) it.

I take it you always use critical hit tokens, the initiative token and are sure to follow every other tiny rule in the book, regardless of it's impact on a game.

It's not a pointless rule though. For instance just the other day I played a casual game on TTS and my Royal Guard Pilot died from a Brobot shot, but they're both PS6, so I could shoot back. I drew my damage cards though and got a Crit that was blinded pilot. I knew I was gonna die that round but I thought I could kill the Brobot and planned to do it. It dramatically changed the outcome. Situations like that are why you deal the damage cards.

It is rather pointless. The specific deck setup changes, but since no cards are revealed the probabilities you work with don't.

Seems to me that all the parties in the OP story could do to chill a bit.

From reports from an independent party that's not true. The TO apparently never really overreacted, only the OP did. Plus it's part of the TO's job to make sure everyone plays by the rules, and that includes rules that not everyone may think is a big deal.

Read my whole post.

I happen to agree with the OP that it's a nigh-pointless rule which makes no difference to the game, and think anyone who cares to enforce it needs to chill. That said, it is a rule and if someone was to enforce it then I'd absolutely do it with narray a care in the world (because it'd take all of a couple of seconds, it is a rule, and why the hell not eh?).

Don't get me wrong, the OP clearly has no chill whatsoever, and definitely needs to calm the ...ahem... expletive, down. I'm not saying he was in any way correct in behaving the way he did (once again - I'd have drawn the cards and got on with my day, like a normal person).

I still think it's an entirely pointless rule to enforce though (I wouldn't enforce it, because, once again: normal person, better things to do with my time) - the TO was absolutely 100% technically correct in enforcing it, and from a certain viewpoint being technically correct is the best kind of correct. I'm not a technician though.

Rules are rules. Why would anyone invest that much into a game and then NOT follow the rules at a tournament ?

Standard sort of statement from people who can't tell the difference between rules that are absolutely fundamental to the running of the game, and rules which are part of the game but ultimately don't affect (effect? I never was very good at that) it.

I take it you always use critical hit tokens, the initiative token and are sure to follow every other tiny rule in the book, regardless of it's impact on a game.

It's not a pointless rule though. For instance just the other day I played a casual game on TTS and my Royal Guard Pilot died from a Brobot shot, but they're both PS6, so I could shoot back. I drew my damage cards though and got a Crit that was blinded pilot. I knew I was gonna die that round but I thought I could kill the Brobot and planned to do it. It dramatically changed the outcome. Situations like that are why you deal the damage cards.

It is rather pointless. The specific deck setup changes, but since no cards are revealed the probabilities you work with don't.

Standard sort of statement from people who can't tell the difference between rules that are absolutely fundamental to the running of the game, and rules which are part of the game but ultimately don't affect (effect? I never was very good at that) it.

The fact that you don't get why the rule exists doesn't mean it has no purpose or effect on the game.

If nothing else, it's fairly important that everyone plays by the same rules regardless of how much impact that rule may have on the game, because even if it's just a chance, then everyone should have the chance.

But again, just because you don't get the point of a rule doesn't mean it shouldn't be enforced.

Not only is what the OP did a perfect example of not flying casual, he comes here and lies about what happened to try and turn everyone against the TO.

Which makes the OP a prime example of what some of us call militant casual... But on to the real point of my post.

I'll offer 2 bags of skittles, regular and tropical, and a bag of regular m&m's.

On the one hand Ewwww mixing skittles and M&M's sounds nasty.

But it reminds of the Imperial Assault store championship. One guy there brings a couple bags of skittles with and instead of damage tokens you use skittles to track damage. When a model heals or dies you have to eat the damage. Was quite a fun way to do things.

I often place a handful of M&Ms as obstacles that you must eat if you overlap.

Seems to me that all the parties in the OP story could do to chill a bit.

From reports from an independent party that's not true. The TO apparently never really overreacted, only the OP did. Plus it's part of the TO's job to make sure everyone plays by the rules, and that includes rules that not everyone may think is a big deal.

Read my whole post.

I happen to agree with the OP that it's a nigh-pointless rule which makes no difference to the game, and think anyone who cares to enforce it needs to chill. That said, it is a rule and if someone was to enforce it then I'd absolutely do it with narray a care in the world (because it'd take all of a couple of seconds, it is a rule, and why the hell not eh?).

Don't get me wrong, the OP clearly has no chill whatsoever, and definitely needs to calm the ...ahem... expletive, down. I'm not saying he was in any way correct in behaving the way he did (once again - I'd have drawn the cards and got on with my day, like a normal person).

I still think it's an entirely pointless rule to enforce though (I wouldn't enforce it, because, once again: normal person, better things to do with my time) - the TO was absolutely 100% technically correct in enforcing it, and from a certain viewpoint being technically correct is the best kind of correct. I'm not a technician though.

Rules are rules. Why would anyone invest that much into a game and then NOT follow the rules at a tournament ?

Standard sort of statement from people who can't tell the difference between rules that are absolutely fundamental to the running of the game, and rules which are part of the game but ultimately don't affect (effect? I never was very good at that) it.

I take it you always use critical hit tokens, the initiative token and are sure to follow every other tiny rule in the book, regardless of it's impact on a game.

It's not a pointless rule though. For instance just the other day I played a casual game on TTS and my Royal Guard Pilot died from a Brobot shot, but they're both PS6, so I could shoot back. I drew my damage cards though and got a Crit that was blinded pilot. I knew I was gonna die that round but I thought I could kill the Brobot and planned to do it. It dramatically changed the outcome. Situations like that are why you deal the damage cards.

It is rather pointless. The specific deck setup changes, but since no cards are revealed the probabilities you work with don't.

I don't agree. As I wrote in an earlier post, once a ship is destroyed, all cards end up in the discard pile. Cards on the discard pile are public so you know all the damage cards that were drawn for destroyed ships. I cannot really say it would matter too much but it does give more information about the game state.

Archie

Not only is what the OP did a perfect example of not flying casual, he comes here and lies about what happened to try and turn everyone against the TO.

Which makes the OP a prime example of what some of us call militant casual... But on to the real point of my post.

I'll offer 2 bags of skittles, regular and tropical, and a bag of regular m&m's.

On the one hand Ewwww mixing skittles and M&M's sounds nasty.

But it reminds of the Imperial Assault store championship. One guy there brings a couple bags of skittles with and instead of damage tokens you use skittles to track damage. When a model heals or dies you have to eat the damage. Was quite a fun way to do things.

I often place a handful of M&Ms as obstacles that you must eat if you overlap.

So I went home and put my $600+ collection for sale.

Can we get the link? I might be interested.

That horrible muppet of a Wookie cut and pasted will haunt my dreams late at night now. Thanks.

Do you have any idea how disturbing this is when your listening to Pantera and this scrolls up on your phone? Doesn't help that he was moving his head with the music.

XBear is here reading this thread right now.

XBear is here reading this thread right now.

He's probably hypnotized by the wookie nightmare

I didn't expect this to be a 100+ posts topic, so I just skimmed through the posts this morning. I saw someone wondering if there had been some conflict between me and the TO before. I would say not really, the only disagreement we had was in the last league game we played, where he insisted that I measure range from my ship to his ship not from the plastic base but from the ship cardboard. he insisted the plastic base of my ship, especially the slated part, does not count for range for firing. I seem to recall he was hoping to be at range 3 of my primary attack. I thought to myself he was wrong but I let him have it since it didn't really make a difference, and because I've always tried to be friendly to my opponent, usually allowing them take backs and things even if I was losing. I did google it when I came home and I confirmed he was wrong - the plastic base does count.

anyway, generally speaking, the guy I had a problem with (the TO above) is not a bad guy. I do think he was wrong (and yes even bullying). if I want that kind of interaction with people, I'll go at the DMV. but as I said, I'm over this game, so I won't be reading any more of the forum.

best wishes everybody.

Fantastic, someone lock this thread, please

C ya.

Ain't no rage like nerdrage.

Impotent nerdrage is my favorite flavor of rage.