Its not even a matter of changing how you play. It directly affects any crits you draw later in the game. The game can play out completely differently based on whether you draw those cards or not.

And that might feel more natural for armada partly because youre used to dealing crits last from xwing

I do think OP overreacted to being asked to mill the cards... but it is also one of my pet peves how strict a lot of people get about the damage deck.

I get that it's a rule. But it's kind of a dumb one. If someone is counting the damage deck, is there really that much advantage to be gained? I can contrive a situation where knowing could change someones play, but it's like maybe 1 in 10,000 games that such an event would come up? probably more. So because of that, we have to interrupt all the other games with irrelevant actions?

I ain't saying OP reacted right.. but I understand

(Armada has this other problem of the first card having to be flipped on a crit. My natural instinct is to deal all the damage I've taken to myself and then flip the last card I have in my hand. It feels more natural that way.)

In situations of simultaneous fire, you can crit someone with a lower attack value or blinded pilot.

When an Attanni Mindlink ship is destroyed, there is a possibility of it taking a Thrust Control Fire crit and handing off a stress as it dies.

Its not even a matter of changing how you play. It directly affects any crits you draw later in the game. The game can play out completely differently based on whether you draw those cards or not.

And that might feel more natural for armada partly because youre used to dealing crits last from xwing

In one game I did forget to mill the deck and drew two direct hits

That'll teach me lol

I'll buy your stuff. $100.00

$120 and a bag of skittles.

Hmm, that's tempting. Throw in a hug?

Edit

Oh wait I see two bags of skittles on the table.

Do I hear 3?

a hug? That would be inappropriate.

I'll offer 2 bags of skittles, regular and tropical, and a bag of regular m&m's. All mixed together. Also, no money, just the 3 bags mixed into one.

OP it sounds like you should have had a delicious breakfast before your tournament. You probably would not have acted so irrationally with some scrambled eggs and sausage in you.

Protip: eat a nutritious breakfast friends

This was exactly what I was thinking about when I read the OP.

OP it sounds like you should have had a delicious breakfast before your tournament. You probably would not have acted so irrationally with some scrambled eggs and sausage in you.

Protip: eat a nutritious breakfast friends

Given what the OP posted in his topic leader, he was 99.5% in the wrong. The fact that it's a tournament setting means rules are important. If you're playing on a random weeknight or on your kitchen table, then fine, fly as casual as you want, if casual means bending/breaking rules. If you enter a tournament setting, no matter how large or small, rules are rules, and you either follow them, or GTFO.

So in the case of missed opportunity, if I say "hey, I forgot to reassign my target lock from FCS, do you mind if I do so now", then my opponent has 2 options:

A) sure, that's cool, there's no reason you wouldn't
B) sorry, you missed that opportunity. I feel bad, but if I'm going to win, then I need to take every advantage I can get.

Either response is appropriate.

If at ANY POINT a TO becomes involved, they have the final say, and must rule according to the rules, in which case B is the only correct answer.

I played a tournament this weekend in which I repeatedly forgot to take Isard's free evade action (lol nub) and exclaimed it, but refused to even ask to retro-activate, and in which I was slow to assign the stress from Rebel Captive (by slow, I mean within that same combat phase I managed to remember it, so it never affected a dial setting). RC is a "must comply" and is bound by both the shooter and the shootee, so it's not a "missed opportunity", the conditions must be satisfied.

But I'm an *******, and I fly dumpsterfires.

The fact that the OP refused to comply with a *compulsory* rule, not an option, is grounds for immediate disqualification in a tournament setting. It also sounded like the store owner has had issues with him before, or he wouldn't have offered to eject him for good (lost sales are bad, but bad mojo from regulars is worse for sales, as it can kill future sales). If his opponent was in support of him not having to mill the damage, I'd suspect collusion, and at that point, as a TO, require that the damage deck be fully revealed and checked against card quantity/content requirements.

So, OP. Do you mind if we examine your damage deck?

edit - after reading posts from the accused as well as adjacent testimony, and assigning them all neutral weights, the OP is now 100% in the wrong, and the best thing that can happen at this point is for a new player that isn't a tantrum throwing toddler to pick up his collection at a /ragequit discount.

Don't let the hatch hit you in the ass on your way out.

Also, a $600 collection? I just added up the "retail" value of mine, and I'm horrified. I think I might have a problem...

"Fly casual" is a mantra designed to promote a universally amicable atmosphere in all game settings, casual and competitive. It's meant to curb a divisively smug elitist mentality that could rise out of serial tournament winners when dealing with professional bottom 32's (and vice versa, with the bottom 32's collectively studying tourney winners for personal faults when they can't find any in their gameplay), and it's meant to encourage every player to make sure that the game and the communities that form around them remain always friendly and welcome to new players, both in terms of attitude and availability to teach new players. It's "It's just a game, good luck, have fun, make friends, and remember that this is a community activity" all wrapped up into two words, intended to make it easy to shake off the serrated hooks of stress that dig in when you've become invested in a match and things turn sour.

"Fly casual" does not mean that there's any intention to take the carefree attitude of a casual game and apply it to tournament regulations and deliberations. In tournaments, rules are inflexible. The TO would have been actively in the wrong to see misplay in a match and say nothing. Flying casual is treating your TO with just as much (or more) respect than your fellow players - 99% of the time they wish they were competing too, and they're putting their time and energy into Organizing a Tournament that you get to participate in.

Things will get rough, you're gonna run into opponents and judges that rub you wrong. If you're making a personal commitment, and I mean a real personal commitment to "flying casual", you'll make it through. It is important to know what the phrase actually means, though.

"Fly casual" is a mantra designed to promote a universally amicable atmosphere in all game settings, casual and competitive. It's meant to curb a divisively smug elitist mentality that could rise out of serial tournament winners when dealing with professional bottom 32's (and vice versa, with the bottom 32's collectively studying tourney winners for personal faults when they can't find any in their gameplay), and it's meant to encourage every player to make sure that the game and the communities that form around them remain always friendly and welcome to new players, both in terms of attitude and availability to teach new players. It's "It's just a game, good luck, have fun, make friends, and remember that this is a community activity" all wrapped up into two words, intended to make it easy to shake off the serrated hooks of stress that dig in when you've become invested in a match and things turn sour.

"Fly casual" does not mean that there's any intention to take the carefree attitude of a casual game and apply it to tournament regulations and deliberations. In tournaments, rules are inflexible. The TO would have been actively in the wrong to see misplay in a match and say nothing. Flying casual is treating your TO with just as much (or more) respect than your fellow players - 99% of the time they wish they were competing too, and they're putting their time and energy into Organizing a Tournament that you get to participate in.

Things will get rough, you're gonna run into opponents and judges that rub you wrong. If you're making a personal commitment, and I mean a real personal commitment to "flying casual", you'll make it through. It is important to know what the phrase actually means, though.

COuldn't agree more.... there are so many interpretations of the term, sadly.

...I'M HAPPY...

I'm skipping pages of posts and responding directly to the first post.

That is not and never has been what 'fly casual' is about. Flying casual does NOT mean ignoring the rules. If the rules aren't followed, we're all playing different games. Flying casual is about attitude, not behavior. It's about being kind and considerate in your dealings with other players so that the atmosphere feels like a casual game. It was also a result of the relatively small community we had in the beginning and people noticed that games tended to be more friendly than at other tournaments and people wanted to keep that going as the game grew.

Honestly, I don't know why you didn't just say, "Oh yeah. I forgot to draw those. Let me do that now."

I'll buy your stuff. $100.00

$120 and a bag of skittles.

Hmm, that's tempting. Throw in a hug?

Edit

Oh wait I see two bags of skittles on the table.

Do I hear 3?

a hug? That would be inappropriate.

I'll offer 2 bags of skittles, regular and tropical, and a bag of regular m&m's. All mixed together. Also, no money, just the 3 bags mixed into one.

This. This, by far, is the most lucrative offer.

I'd offer to see you and raise it with an Almond Joy bar, but I think the OP is nuts enough.

Entering the 4th round, I was 2-1 at the local monthly tournament, having just lost to the very strong and friendly mynock who went 2nd at the norcal regional, and I was facing another strong mynock player. He's very friendly and it's always fun playing with him. I had beaten him before but this match wasn't going well, and Biggs had just died. I did not draw the extra damage cards as it didn't make a difference and my opponent didn't care. I have to say that if he had asked me to I would have, it's just part of being friendly to your opponent. But he didn't care and we moved on to the next round. Except we couldn't.

The TO (also a regular local player at the store, like me) happened to pass by our table and told me to draw the extra cards. At first I calmly pointed out it didn't really make a difference, since I wasn't gaining any advantage, but he started to get angry and insisted that a rule is a rule whether meaningful or not. I don't like being bullied, so I got angry myself as well at that point. When he told me to pack up and leave I refused. I and my friendly opponent went back to playing, while the not-so friendly TO went to the other TO, the one who is an actual store employee. Since the other TO is running a business and I am a regular customer who was not cheating but only broke a usually meaningless rule, he decided he didn't care to toss me out of the store.

However, what concentration and fun I was having was gone, and I dropped out. I also realized that I was spending 8+ hours in a hot store in socal not only playing with plastic spaceship (which can still be fun) but now arguing about plastic spaceships – something I thought I was done in primary school. So I went home and put my $600+ collection for sale.

If you care to know, the TO above was the socal regional champion and mynock podcaster.

Take care everybody, it was fun while it lasted.

your right, this IS a good example of you not flying casual

IMO, tournament rules are quite clear which parts of the rules can the players agree to disregard, and that's only Missed Opportunities and only in casual tournaments. There is no 'can disregard any part of the rules as long as both players are cool with it' clause anywhere.

A TO is there IMO in order to make sure the rules of the tournament are being followed. If the tournament is run by FFG rules, that includes making sure all players follow the official rules as much as possible. Not drawing all cards will cause the game to play differently as soon as the next face up card is drawn, with the potential to affect MOV and/or game outcome and therefore the standing if several other players.

Also, it doesn't sound like the OP was asked to leave for not drawing extra damage cards, but for blatantly refusing to comply with a TOs direct request to follow the official rules of the game. Disrespecting the organizer/judge/referee should have big consequences in any kind of competitive event IMO.

Oh please, give me a break. Kicking someone out is a simply excessive and the other TO in fact, disagreed. Just watch any worlds tourney games and look at the 'take backs' and you want to say some random game tournament is more important because one overreaching TO didnt get his way?

I'm skipping pages of posts and responding directly to the first post.

That is not and never has been what 'fly casual' is about. Flying casual does NOT mean ignoring the rules. If the rules aren't followed, we're all playing different games. Flying casual is about attitude, not behavior. It's about being kind and considerate in your dealings with other players so that the atmosphere feels like a casual game. It was also a result of the relatively small community we had in the beginning and people noticed that games tended to be more friendly than at other tournaments and people wanted to keep that going as the game grew.

Honestly, I don't know why you didn't just say, "Oh yeah. I forgot to draw those. Let me do that now."

Because not everyone like us has a heart full of love...

Oh please, give me a break. Kicking someone out is a simply excessive and the other TO in fact, disagreed.

Other TO actually gave the go ahead, he was the employee, the none employee decided against it. The none employee TO also didn't suggest it, the player in the wrong did as a challenge. You really should read all the pages before jumping to conclusions.

Not only challenging a TO that's enforcing a rule, but also being wrong about a ruling is more then grounds for ejection from the tournament.

Entering the 4th round, I was 2-1 at the local monthly tournament, having just lost to the very strong and friendly mynock who went 2nd at the norcal regional, and I was facing another strong mynock player. He's very friendly and it's always fun playing with him. I had beaten him before but this match wasn't going well, and Biggs had just died. I did not draw the extra damage cards as it didn't make a difference and my opponent didn't care. I have to say that if he had asked me to I would have, it's just part of being friendly to your opponent. But he didn't care and we moved on to the next round. Except we couldn't.

The TO (also a regular local player at the store, like me) happened to pass by our table and told me to draw the extra cards. At first I calmly pointed out it didn't really make a difference, since I wasn't gaining any advantage, but he started to get angry and insisted that a rule is a rule whether meaningful or not. I don't like being bullied, so I got angry myself as well at that point. When he told me to pack up and leave I refused. I and my friendly opponent went back to playing, while the not-so friendly TO went to the other TO, the one who is an actual store employee. Since the other TO is running a business and I am a regular customer who was not cheating but only broke a usually meaningless rule, he decided he didn't care to toss me out of the store.

However, what concentration and fun I was having was gone, and I dropped out. I also realized that I was spending 8+ hours in a hot store in socal not only playing with plastic spaceship (which can still be fun) but now arguing about plastic spaceships – something I thought I was done in primary school. So I went home and put my $600+ collection for sale.

If you care to know, the TO above was the socal regional champion and mynock podcaster.

Take care everybody, it was fun while it lasted.

Hahaha, now you have shown all of them who the boss is

And then coming here complaining is the second wrong step

You should have either clarify on spot or just let it be

Someone needs to give that on a shirt to the TO in question so next time someone throws an unneccessary hissy-fit he can just point at his shirt.

Entering the 4th round, I was 2-1 at the local monthly tournament, having just lost to the very strong and friendly mynock who went 2nd at the norcal regional, and I was facing another strong mynock player. He's very friendly and it's always fun playing with him. I had beaten him before but this match wasn't going well, and Biggs had just died. I did not draw the extra damage cards as it didn't make a difference and my opponent didn't care. I have to say that if he had asked me to I would have, it's just part of being friendly to your opponent. But he didn't care and we moved on to the next round. Except we couldn't.

The TO (also a regular local player at the store, like me) happened to pass by our table and told me to draw the extra cards. At first I calmly pointed out it didn't really make a difference, since I wasn't gaining any advantage, but he started to get angry and insisted that a rule is a rule whether meaningful or not. I don't like being bullied, so I got angry myself as well at that point. When he told me to pack up and leave I refused. I and my friendly opponent went back to playing, while the not-so friendly TO went to the other TO, the one who is an actual store employee. Since the other TO is running a business and I am a regular customer who was not cheating but only broke a usually meaningless rule, he decided he didn't care to toss me out of the store.

However, what concentration and fun I was having was gone, and I dropped out. I also realized that I was spending 8+ hours in a hot store in socal not only playing with plastic spaceship (which can still be fun) but now arguing about plastic spaceships – something I thought I was done in primary school. So I went home and put my $600+ collection for sale.

If you care to know, the TO above was the socal regional champion and mynock podcaster.

Take care everybody, it was fun while it lasted.

Sorry to burst your buble but TO was absolutely right in this case. You must know that your decision to not take damage cards can directly influence outcome for the other players.

Let say some deciding damage card (say Direct Hit) is fourth from the top. Let say someone killed Biggs as your first ship - normally you should take three damage cards; it means that next of your ships that would take hull damage would have to take this Direct Hit card. And what if it was on two points of hull and get a crit? It would be destroyed and it would changed your MoV score. And this MoV can decide in case of a draw position of you and other tournament participant with equal numer of Victory Points. Instead if you dont take those cards there is fairly big Chance that the next hit ship won't take Direct Hit card.

Also, I would like to point out how stupid the whole idea of "fly casual" is, regarding tournament play. Instead of just promoting good manners at the table "fly causual" is used as an excuse for a clumsy play and intentional ignoring of rules. Also it is used as argument in taking great offence when TO do the right thing. Sorry, but when you are at tournament, especially premier class tournament, you should know the rules and try to follow them. Also you should behave like a grown man and face consequences of your ignorance, instead of taking passive-agressive stance and hiding behind "fly casual" nonsense.