Granted, drawing excess damage cards is a bit of a pointless rule.

But equally pointless is making a stand over not drawing them: did you seriously start an argument over the tiny amount of effort it'd take to pick up another damage card or two?

If you lose your cool over putting an extra damage card on a dead ship then you lack the temperament for not only X-Wing but just about everything in life.

Drawing as few cards as possible limits his exposure to the bottom of the deck.

Given they're shuffled and the facedown damage cards are hidden information I fail to see what difference that makes.

If anything, dealing more damage cards is to your benefit because it increases the very remote chance that you run out and become crit-proof.

I'll buy your stuff. $100.00

Surely this person is trolling? I mean..... arguing with a TO then rage quitting the game? THis person is either trolling or is like 9 years old..

Granted, drawing excess damage cards is a bit of a pointless rule.

But equally pointless is making a stand over not drawing them: did you seriously start an argument over the tiny amount of effort it'd take to pick up another damage card or two?

If you lose your cool over putting an extra damage card on a dead ship then you lack the temperament for not only X-Wing but just about everything in life.

Drawing as few cards as possible limits his exposure to the bottom of the deck.

Given they're shuffled and the facedown damage cards are hidden information I fail to see what difference that makes.

If anything, dealing more damage cards is to your benefit because it increases the very remote chance that you run out and become crit-proof.

You're supposed to shuffle, but how many casual games have you declined to cut the opponents deck, or demand to see them shuffle it? I know I usually decline.

We don't know if this game started with a shuffle and cut or not.

I'm not actually convinced this is actually what happened. To start a fight with a TO over a a rule that:

• ...is effortless to follow.
• ...is usually entirely inconsequential.
• ...is in the rulebook.

Starting an argument with a TO, dropping out of the tournament and then selling his whole collection over moving a few cards from the top of the deck to a pilot card ? I'm having a hard time thinking of anything in the game that requires less effort.

There's more to this. Something else in his life, a long-standing feud between this two people, something. This is just too ludicrous to be true at face value.

You're supposed to shuffle, but how many casual games have you declined to cut the opponents deck, or demand to see them shuffle it? I know I usually decline.

We don't know if this game started with a shuffle and cut or not.

If someone's going to cheat at X-Wing I'll usually let them out of pity.

Seriously, the effort expended in flipping over a card versus the effort expended in turning this into your own personal Alamo ... it just doesn't add up.

I mean, if it's as inconsequential as you claim it is, JUST TURN THE CARD OVER.

I'm not actually convinced this is actually what happened. To start a fight with a TO over a a rule that:

• ...is effortless to follow.
• ...is usually entirely inconsequential.
• ...is in the rulebook.

Starting an argument with a TO, dropping out of the tournament and then selling his whole collection over moving a few cards from the top of the deck to a pilot card ? I'm having a hard time thinking of anything in the game that requires less effort.

There's more to this. Something else in his life, a long-standing feud between this two people, something. This is just too ludicrous to be true at face value.

I was thinking the same thing, there has to be more to this.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

I'll buy your stuff. $100.00

$120 and a bag of skittles.

These threads are great but could we maybe see more examples of good sportsmanship? Or perhaps examples of people owning up to their own unsporting conduct? Either of those two things would be healthier I think. Nothing wrong with sharing a negative experience but I feel like we all glom onto those and run away with them.

Just last week I lost three times is a row with my Phantoms and had a great time! Nothing like a little hardcore stomping to get the competitive juices flowing! Now those are games I feel like I really learn things. Lesson 245 was 'if you want to gamble prepare to lose' or some such nonsense. Anyways, it was a recent example of good sportsmanship on my opponents part I thought because he was such a gracious winner.

The week before I conceded a game after losing one ship to a single volley and seeing the next one get nearly melted in the second exchange. My tears were salty. There are only two Phantoms in my list! I was actually more grumpy about having to work so much and make so little money that week but I really shouldn't let that attitude creep onto the mat.

When a cop asks you to step out of your car, do you do it or do you refuse and throw a tantrum instead?

The TO asked you to follow the rules (in this case those cards you refused go draw actually affect the future card draws), you refused, and decided to drop from the event and sell your small collection instead?

You seem to think arguing over this isn't mature but your reaction is clearly immature. Hopefully you don't have tantrums like this over things that matter (like work).

These threads are great but could we maybe see more examples of good sportsmanship? Or perhaps examples of people owning up to their own unsporting conduct? Either of those two things would be healthier I think. Nothing wrong with sharing a negative experience but I feel like we all glom onto those and run away with them.

Just last week I lost three times is a row with my Phantoms and had a great time! Nothing like a little hardcore stomping to get the competitive juices flowing! Now those are games I feel like I really learn things. Lesson 245 was 'if you want to gamble prepare to lose' or some such nonsense. Anyways, it was a recent example of good sportsmanship on my opponents part I thought because he was such a gracious winner.

The week before I conceded a game after losing one ship to a single volley and seeing the next one get nearly melted in the second exchange. My tears were salty. There are only two Phantoms in my list! I was actually more grumpy about having to work so much and make so little money that week but I really shouldn't let that attitude creep onto the mat.

If the OP was looking for justification for his actions, I think he's come to the wrong place...

I'm not actually convinced this is actually what happened. To start a fight with a TO over a a rule that:

• ...is effortless to follow.
• ...is usually entirely inconsequential.
• ...is in the rulebook.

Starting an argument with a TO, dropping out of the tournament and then selling his whole collection over moving a few cards from the top of the deck to a pilot card ? I'm having a hard time thinking of anything in the game that requires less effort.

There's more to this. Something else in his life, a long-standing feud between this two people, something. This is just too ludicrous to be true at face value.

I was thinking the same thing, there has to be more to this.

Even given how wrong OP is about the ruling itself, e-celeb USI is too juicy to pass up.

These threads are great but could we maybe see more examples of good sportsmanship? Or perhaps examples of people owning up to their own unsporting conduct? Either of those two things would be healthier I think. Nothing wrong with sharing a negative experience but I feel like we all glom onto those and run away with them.

Just last week I lost three times is a row with my Phantoms and had a great time! Nothing like a little hardcore stomping to get the competitive juices flowing! Now those are games I feel like I really learn things. Lesson 245 was 'if you want to gamble prepare to lose' or some such nonsense. Anyways, it was a recent example of good sportsmanship on my opponents part I thought because he was such a gracious winner.

The week before I conceded a game after losing one ship to a single volley and seeing the next one get nearly melted in the second exchange. My tears were salty. There are only two Phantoms in my list! I was actually more grumpy about having to work so much and make so little money that week but I really shouldn't let that attitude creep onto the mat.

more nice sportsmanship posts? No. These kind are much more fun to read. I'm just evil that way.

I know, I know... they are fun. Especially when they cause arguments... wait, no! That way leads to the Dark Side.

I dunno, whenever I see these I feel like people need to be reminded that it's not all WAAC TFG Competitive doom n' gloom. Everyone makes mistakes and hopefully we move on from it ya know? And it's not some kind of Fight Club-esque internet self help either. If I'm a jerk to someone I try to make it up to them. I have gone into shops plenty of times and apologized to people. Not that I'm usually need to or anything! But once in awhile conduct slips and you have to own up to it. Honestly, it makes you more cognizant and aware and really if people can't look at themselves and admit that they too can be poor sports sometimes then I think those people are lying and missing the point of sportsmanship entirely.

These threads are great but could we maybe see more examples of good sportsmanship? Or perhaps examples of people owning up to their own unsporting conduct? Either of those two things would be healthier I think. Nothing wrong with sharing a negative experience but I feel like we all glom onto those and run away with them.

In the last round of my first tournament I took my Xizorswarm up against Brobots and my dice just got hotter than the fires of Hull. Every time I rolled my poxy little 2 attack dice it was hits and crits as far as the eye could see. Every time I got attacked it was bloody evades for days. And every single time the guy I was playing seemed genuinely happy for me, congratulating me without an ounce of side of irony every time those treacherous little 8-sided sods did their best to hand me a win I in no way deserved. And I thought "bloody hell, when I grow up I want to be like this guy." And so, in every game I've played since, I've tried to be.

My bet is the OP is selling his collection because he knows he was in the wrong but can't quite admit it to himself.

If the altercation truly went down as described by the witness, I say good riddance to the OP, and I hope his collection finds its way into the hands of a better sport.

No. People like him feel justified and want a big pat on the back for how they handled the situation. People like him are full of bluster and bluff and want us to feel sorry for him and say, "Yes, you were mistreated and in the right. Don't sell your collection". People like him are all talk, and he won't actually sell his collection. Selling his collection would be doing so on the principle of the whole thing, and if he can't flip a "meaningless" card over when it doesn't even matter, what will he do when it does?

No, people like him are all talk and no bite. I doubt he sells the collection at all, but rather plays at home by himself for awhile , and maybe looks for a new venue to play at.

But hey, just in case - I'll see the bid of 120, and raise it to 2 bags of Skittles - regular and tropical.

I'll buy your stuff. $100.00

$120 and a bag of skittles.

Edit

Oh wait I see two bags of skittles on the table.

Do I hear 3?

So is the OP trying to promote the sale of his items with this thread? Or get nominated for the nerd rage of the year award?

I'll buy your stuff. $100.00

$120 and a bag of skittles.

Hmm, that's tempting. Throw in a hug?

Edit

Oh wait I see two bags of skittles on the table.

Do I hear 3?

Well this was fun! Just a few minor clarifications:

-At no point was I angry. I was more bewildered at the refusal; it would've taken a fraction of the effort to simply apply the damage card.

-Bullying: It certainly felt from my perspective that any bullying and belligerence originated from the other party. I can't stress enough that *I* was not the one who initiated the notion of ejection from the event. The player brought it up as a challenge, and continued to escalate.

-The T.O. informed me that the player's REMOVAL FROM THE STORE (not just tournament) was up to my discretion. While we were discussing the matter, his opponent walked up and informed me that the player in question had corrected the game state. Endeavoring to be as fair as I'm capable of, based on that information, I told the organizer NOT TO EJECT HIM. The misinformation in the original post also does not jibe with the "I'm a paying customer" demands he subsequently initiated with the organizer.

-Anyone who thinks I behaved inappropriately due to a sudden "taste of power", I'd rather have played in the event. We had a gaggle of store champions and regionals top finishers, and THAT'S where I derive the rush of besting or being bested by the best, not by quibbling over nonsense. My already great appreciation and respect for organizers and judges has spiked considerably.

XBear: at any point along this journey, I would have been happy to drop it:

-If you had simply milled the necessary damage card, but you escalated.

-Once I had instructed the organizer not to eject you, but you came over to me where I was watching another match in progress just to pointedly call me childish. I even gave you that one without response, so you could cool down.

-The matter was concluded as far as I was concerned, but you decided to smear me in SoCal X-Wing.

-When that didn't go your way, you took it here.

Everyone else; I truly am a flawed individual. But I make my apologies when in the wrong, albeit sometimes too slowly. This though? I'll take a hard pass.

Look on the bright side, youve got the drama segment set for the next episode!

Entering the 4th round, I was 2-1 at the local monthly tournament, having just lost to the very strong and friendly mynock who went 2nd at the norcal regional, and I was facing another strong mynock player. He's very friendly and it's always fun playing with him. I had beaten him before but this match wasn't going well, and Biggs had just died. I did not draw the extra damage cards as it didn't make a difference and my opponent didn't care. I have to say that if he had asked me to I would have, it's just part of being friendly to your opponent. But he didn't care and we moved on to the next round. Except we couldn't.

The TO (also a regular local player at the store, like me) happened to pass by our table and told me to draw the extra cards. At first I calmly pointed out it didn't really make a difference, since I wasn't gaining any advantage, but he started to get angry and insisted that a rule is a rule whether meaningful or not. I don't like being bullied, so I got angry myself as well at that point. When he told me to pack up and leave I refused. I and my friendly opponent went back to playing, while the not-so friendly TO went to the other TO, the one who is an actual store employee. Since the other TO is running a business and I am a regular customer who was not cheating but only broke a usually meaningless rule, he decided he didn't care to toss me out of the store.

However, what concentration and fun I was having was gone, and I dropped out. I also realized that I was spending 8+ hours in a hot store in socal not only playing with plastic spaceship (which can still be fun) but now arguing about plastic spaceships – something I thought I was done in primary school. So I went home and put my $600+ collection for sale.

If you care to know, the TO above was the socal regional champion and mynock podcaster.

Take care everybody, it was fun while it lasted.

Your reaction is an example of NOT flying casual.

This is what I mean when I say that people that purport to fly casual actually have a worse attitude about the game and tend to fly /less casually/ than WAAC players. I've never been called an ass hole or a ****** bag by a WAAC player.

Players will mistakenly miss optional triggers in games against me, and then get angry at ME for not letting me fix their own mistakes. They will insult me, and then dare to say that I'm taking the game too seriously, that it's /just/ plastic spaceships. If it's /just/ plastic spaceships and this is just supposed to be a $5 casual tournament, why are you so mad?

All you had to do was draw the damage cards for the ship that was overkilled. That's all you had to do, you didn't even get denied a missed trigger or whatever. Just draw the damage cards.

It's fine, players like you feed me free wins. Either you outright scoop when you're on the wrong side of a rules argument and aren't getting your way, or you get super on tilt.

I do think OP overreacted to being asked to mill the cards... but it is also one of my pet peves how strict a lot of people get about the damage deck.

I get that it's a rule. But it's kind of a dumb one. If someone is counting the damage deck, is there really that much advantage to be gained? I can contrive a situation where knowing could change someones play, but it's like maybe 1 in 10,000 games that such an event would come up? probably more. So because of that, we have to interrupt all the other games with irrelevant actions?

I ain't saying OP reacted right.. but I understand

(Armada has this other problem of the first card having to be flipped on a crit. My natural instinct is to deal all the damage I've taken to myself and then flip the last card I have in my hand. It feels more natural that way.)