Lets see. To me either option is valid, although i think its better for the game if they are not small ships.

There is no question in my mind. Why would a ship come with a Commander it could not receive any benefit from?

Lets see. To me either option is valid, although i think its better for the game if they are not small ships.

I mean... it's not really a matter of opinion. They are small ships. Amanal linked the card above...

Flotillas follow the same rules for ships with one exception.

... and Lyraeus pasted the relevant rule...

Size Class

Each ship has a size class: small, medium or large. Small ships use the 41 mm x 71 mm base, medium ships use the 61mm x 102mm base, and large ships use the 76mm x 129mm base.

There really is no ambiguity.

1. The summary card explicitly says flotillas follow the rules for ships with the explicitly single exception of overlapping.

2. They are on a small base.

3. A small ship is defined as a ship that comes on a small base.

4. Therefore, they are small ships.

I mean, if you want to play differently in your own games, that's absolutely your prerogative... but don't be surprised if somebody objects to the house rule, and don't expect to play that way in an official tournament.

Lets see. To me either option is valid, although i think its better for the game if they are not small ships.

Well everyone else has jumped over the logic of this, but your second statement could do with some clarification. Expand on and explain why the game gets better if you create a new class of bases size?

To create a new base size as you suggest there are a few downsides:

• Extra Rules
• Extra Cost in making the bases
• May not meet the game design goal
• Which in turn lends itself to the idea that people want to buy and play them

You probably need more than a rules card to explain the changes, as one exception now becomes two or three. A simple rules change, now has to become more complicated?

There is going to an extra cost in molds and maybe machines that cast the bases. Even if this didn't lead to a price increase it would have cost time, so we wouldn't be getting new toys in a week or two.

Flotilla's are probably aimed at altering part of the meta, they are not just being added in because they are there, there is a game design element to having them. What you are suggesting probably changes that significantly and maybe not in the way intended.

As they stand I want to try them out and experiment with them, alter the rules for them in a negative way and that may change. Not just for me but for many people.

Also, be mindful that if wave 3 tanks, there is a degree of risk that wave 5 will not be made. Each waves has to be successful to see FFG continue to make more, develop more and keep the game active.

As I said, I think either option is valid (actually the Cracken thing is probably the one thing I can't get past that suggests they WILL be small ships...)

The comment as to better for the game is that I think applying Motti to flotillas, or allowing flotillas to tractor beam "real" small ships would be a bit of a shame- but not really a big deal.

But lets see - I am perfectly happy to live with either option.

The comment as to better for the game is that I think applying Motti to flotillas, or allowing flotillas to tractor beam "real" small ships would be a bit of a shame- but not really a big deal.

Tagge scares me far more than Motti, there is a whole layer of aggression that he comes with, Motti is just a passive nice effect that does far less than getting back that scatter or brace. An ISD that braces 4+ times in a game will gain far more than 3 extra hull.

As for the Tractor Beams, all you'll do is get the other ships attention and annoy him, you have now painted a big red target on your ship and made it worth shooting at.

Here's the funny thing, a Flotilla held in reserve can become a very viable hand-brake for a large ship. Some creative genius will come up with a list that uses Flotillas in a clever way that just ends up doing quite well, you are concerned about the very obvious stuff, that IMO will not be used that often. There are far more cunning ways to use Flotillas than that. There is nothing more annoying than driving an ISD past your target because they jink at the last second, galactic chicken shouldn't be fair to those rebel scum. BTW: A simple swipe at the end of the move can cause a ram on the Flotilla, they don't exactly have to fly past you, so you can do this at speed three and stop short of your enemy. Sure that Flotilla has 2 hull remaining, want to shoot that rather than my ISD? Hello MC80 Battle Cruiser...

But lets see - I am perfectly happy to live with either option.

With the number of people showing you the error of this, your adherence to this isn't all that good either. There is only one way to read a rule that explains there is only one exception.

As I said, I think either option is valid (actually the Cracken thing is probably the one thing I can't get past that suggests they WILL be small ships...)

The comment as to better for the game is that I think applying Motti to flotillas, or allowing flotillas to tractor beam "real" small ships would be a bit of a shame- but not really a big deal.

But lets see - I am perfectly happy to live with either option.

How is either option possible? I don't understand this. Logic, game rules, and even the tip card itself shows that this is not possible.

Please explain how any other option is remotely valid?

As I said, I think either option is valid (actually the Cracken thing is probably the one thing I can't get past that suggests they WILL be small ships...)

The comment as to better for the game is that I think applying Motti to flotillas, or allowing flotillas to tractor beam "real" small ships would be a bit of a shame- but not really a big deal.

But lets see - I am perfectly happy to live with either option.

How is either option possible? I don't understand this. Logic, game rules, and even the tip card itself shows that this is not possible.

Please explain how any other option is remotely valid?

Additionally, the preview for the GR75s actually states that the Bright hope flying at speed 3 will receive Cracken's benefit, meaning that it has to be either a small or medium ship (as stated on Cracken). Unless they recant that, the Rebel flotillas will be either medium or small. Probably small since they are on a small base. And they come with a "ship card," as opposed to squadron or otherwise.

As I said, I think either option is valid (actually the Cracken thing is probably the one thing I can't get past that suggests they WILL be small ships...)

The comment as to better for the game is that I think applying Motti to flotillas, or allowing flotillas to tractor beam "real" small ships would be a bit of a shame- but not really a big deal.

But lets see - I am perfectly happy to live with either option.

How is either option possible? I don't understand this. Logic, game rules, and even the tip card itself shows that this is not possible.

Please explain how any other option is remotely valid?

Additionally, the preview for the GR75s actually states that the Bright hope flying at speed 3 will receive Cracken's benefit, meaning that it has to be either a small or medium ship (as stated on Cracken). Unless they recant that, the Rebel flotillas will be either medium or small. Probably small since they are on a small base. And they come with a "ship card," as opposed to squadron or otherwise.

While that's a fair conclusion to reach in a vacuum, those articles are historically prone to some pretty egregious errors, so it's a bit dangerous to rely on them as a primary source.

That said, the Wave 3/4 stuff seems to have been quite a bit better on the QA front. Credit where it's due.

As I said, I think either option is valid (actually the Cracken thing is probably the one thing I can't get past that suggests they WILL be small ships...)

The comment as to better for the game is that I think applying Motti to flotillas, or allowing flotillas to tractor beam "real" small ships would be a bit of a shame- but not really a big deal.

But lets see - I am perfectly happy to live with either option.

How is either option possible? I don't understand this. Logic, game rules, and even the tip card itself shows that this is not possible.

Please explain how any other option is remotely valid?

Additionally, the preview for the GR75s actually states that the Bright hope flying at speed 3 will receive Cracken's benefit, meaning that it has to be either a small or medium ship (as stated on Cracken). Unless they recant that, the Rebel flotillas will be either medium or small. Probably small since they are on a small base. And they come with a "ship card," as opposed to squadron or otherwise.

While that's a fair conclusion to reach in a vacuum, those articles are historically prone to some pretty egregious errors, so it's a bit dangerous to rely on them as a primary source.

That said, the Wave 3/4 stuff seems to have been quite a bit better on the QA front. Credit where it's due.

What credit! I don't understand any of these assertions that have no basis in the rules of the game.

Your belief that this or even Tagge needs an FAQ is to me at least asinine.

The rules show that this will be a small ship. Even if the articles in the past have been wrong, it would not make sense to have a class of ship have the same base size as other small ships and not be a small ship. That goes against all levels of logic here.

No need to get upset.

Lets just wait and see.

No need to get upset.

Lets just wait and see.

Wait and see on what though? What logically could even make one think that these are not small ships?

No need to get upset.

Lets just wait and see.

The only people upset here seems to be the people who are arguing against the fact that:

• The Preview calls them small ships
• They come on small ship bases
• They come with a commander who *only affects small and medium sized ships*
• The Flotilla Card calls them ships, which means they are subject to ship size rules per the Rules Reference Guide

As I said, I think either option is valid (actually the Cracken thing is probably the one thing I can't get past that suggests they WILL be small ships...)

The comment as to better for the game is that I think applying Motti to flotillas, or allowing flotillas to tractor beam "real" small ships would be a bit of a shame- but not really a big deal.

But lets see - I am perfectly happy to live with either option.

How is either option possible? I don't understand this. Logic, game rules, and even the tip card itself shows that this is not possible.

Please explain how any other option is remotely valid?

Additionally, the preview for the GR75s actually states that the Bright hope flying at speed 3 will receive Cracken's benefit, meaning that it has to be either a small or medium ship (as stated on Cracken). Unless they recant that, the Rebel flotillas will be either medium or small. Probably small since they are on a small base. And they come with a "ship card," as opposed to squadron or otherwise.

While that's a fair conclusion to reach in a vacuum, those articles are historically prone to some pretty egregious errors, so it's a bit dangerous to rely on them as a primary source.

That said, the Wave 3/4 stuff seems to have been quite a bit better on the QA front. Credit where it's due.

What credit! I don't understand any of these assertions that have no basis in the rules of the game.

Your belief that this or even Tagge needs an FAQ is to me at least asinine.

The rules show that this will be a small ship. Even if the articles in the past have been wrong, it would not make sense to have a class of ship have the same base size as other small ships and not be a small ship. That goes against all levels of logic here.

Credit that the Wave 3 and 4 articles were largely error free. You know, like I said in the immediately preceding sentence.

You seriously need to cool it and stop jumping to these knee jerk reactions. I never said this needed to be FAQ'd; I never disagreed with the conclusion you, he, and basically everybody else reached; I have indeed been actively advocating it.

You were an Intel troop, weren't you? Surely an Intel analyst understands the difference between an incorrect assessment versus a weakness in the chain of reasoning behind that assessment? "Preview articles are h historically a poor source for rules clarifications" is a very different statement from "flotillas aren't small ships."

While that's a fair conclusion to reach in a vacuum, those articles are historically prone to some pretty egregious errors, so it's a bit dangerous to rely on them as a primary source.

That said, the Wave 3/4 stuff seems to have been quite a bit better on the QA front. Credit where it's due.

Fair enough. But my main point was the developer's intent. With that statement, they show the intent that these will be small ships, even if enough people are confused to require a FAQ.