Red Castle, I never thought of such thematic ways to ease that tension, and those all sound awesome. Might have to steal a few of those and try it out.

My rule of thumb is to never blame the dice, blame the pilot or the crew instead!

Since I'm kinda an ambassador of the game (being the one that promote it around here), i can't allow myself to get angry or show any kind of bad sportsmanship, you never know who's watching and getting pissed off will only hurt the image of the game. If for some reason I get too invested, I try to step back and remind myself that it is only a game and that my opponent doesn't have to deal with my bad mood. If I see someone getting angry, more often than not about dice, I'll also take a moment to remind them that they have no control over it, **** happens, and that it's only a game.

Haha, right. I guess WuFame and myself would fall under the ambassador title here in our local area. We try to encourage people to play with our stuff and set up demo games. I never blame the dice either. It's funny, a lot of the time when the dice are blamed it is usually just folks not noticing when they get hot rolls, how easily some forget those natural double hits on red dice. That said I've seen some games where there was certainly some bad luck. But blaming the dice just makes it sound like you're losing to yourself, like your opponent isn't actually trying to win or anything.

Except there are times when you have definite, 100%, on screen, recorded on YouTube - Games where the Dice screw you.

Right, that's why I said "That said I've seen some games where there was certainly some bad luck." I just mean that sometimes the bad dice complainers are really just complaining about average rolls when every black die doesn't come up hit/crit every time.

Right, that's why I said "That said I've seen some games where there was certainly some bad luck." I just mean that sometimes the bad dice complainers are really just complaining about average rolls when every black die doesn't come up hit/crit every time.

I'm just on a big downer with it right now... Dead Last at a Tournament because of it... When everyone, including your opponents, say that you completely outmaneuvered them, "if not for your dice".... Urgh.

Its very hard to remain neutral and calm.

But I am an arsehole, after all.

Right, that's why I said "That said I've seen some games where there was certainly some bad luck." I just mean that sometimes the bad dice complainers are really just complaining about average rolls when every black die doesn't come up hit/crit every time.

I'm just on a big downer with it right now... Dead Last at a Tournament because of it... When everyone, including your opponents, say that you completely outmaneuvered them, "if not for your dice".... Urgh.

Its very hard to remain neutral and calm.

But I am an arsehole, after all.

This sounds like you need dew dice. What's your address, I will ship you a set or 2 of my own.

Red Castle, I never thought of such thematic ways to ease that tension, and those all sound awesome. Might have to steal a few of those and try it out.

My rule of thumb is to never blame the dice, blame the pilot or the crew instead!

Since I'm kinda an ambassador of the game (being the one that promote it around here), i can't allow myself to get angry or show any kind of bad sportsmanship, you never know who's watching and getting pissed off will only hurt the image of the game. If for some reason I get too invested, I try to step back and remind myself that it is only a game and that my opponent doesn't have to deal with my bad mood. If I see someone getting angry, more often than not about dice, I'll also take a moment to remind them that they have no control over it, **** happens, and that it's only a game.

Blaming the models for their incompetence is always hilarious. A guy I used to game with would group his Sisters of Battle up facing in his direction before the game and give them a pep talk.

Of course, I can't judge. I would shout "WAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!" with my Orcs while rolling for Animosity, and yell at the units who failed.

Right, that's why I said "That said I've seen some games where there was certainly some bad luck." I just mean that sometimes the bad dice complainers are really just complaining about average rolls when every black die doesn't come up hit/crit every time.

I'm just on a big downer with it right now... Dead Last at a Tournament because of it... When everyone, including your opponents, say that you completely outmaneuvered them, "if not for your dice".... Urgh.

Its very hard to remain neutral and calm.

But I am an arsehole, after all.

Yeah, definitely know what you mean. That's rough, man.

Haha, right. I guess WuFame and myself would fall under the ambassador title here in our local area. We try to encourage people to play with our stuff and set up demo games. I never blame the dice either. It's funny, a lot of the time when the dice are blamed it is usually just folks not noticing when they get hot rolls, how easily some forget those natural double hits on red dice. That said I've seen some games where there was certainly some bad luck. But blaming the dice just makes it sound like you're losing to yourself, like your opponent isn't actually trying to win or anything.

Funniest thing is that more often than not, they will only remember when the dice fails them or when your are hot. But when comes the time that they roll hot, it's only natural and there is no luck involve, they were meant to roll hot, it's the law of average... When someone start to whine about dice, I take a pleasure to emphasise their good rolls that come later, it usually calm them a little. You gotta understand that dice will fail you sometimes and there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it, but like you said, blaming dice for your defeat can be indirectly insulting to your opponent. Unless you roll particularily bad that even your opponent will agree, like Drasnighta said happen, you are saying that there is no way you could have lost if it were not for dice, that's a pretty low esteem you are showing for your opponent...

Blaming the models for their incompetence is always hilarious. A guy I used to game with would group his Sisters of Battle up facing in his direction before the game and give them a pep talk.

Of course, I can't judge. I would shout "WAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!" with my Orcs while rolling for Animosity, and yell at the units who failed.

I plead guilty. When one of my ship is on a bad straight, I will sometime give its gunnery crew a little pep talk just before the roll, like the threat of Vader chocking their captain if they fail again... of course it never works, looks like it was the captain fault after all....

To go along with what I said in another thread:

If the imp player with rhymer ball sets speed zero and hides in the corner, then do the same and say "come at me bro."

To go along with what I said in another thread:

If the imp player with rhymer ball sets speed zero and hides in the corner, then do the same and say "come at me bro."

I hate to bump a discussion that has run its course but since I was the opponent in the game in question, I feel that I should add my input. I did say I was fine but sometimes people say that when they don't mean it, and as Schmitty pointed out my body language indeed said otherwise. I said that I was fine because I didn't want to talk about it, I just wanted to head outside for some air. That was not a fun game at all, and at the time I was actually glad that I was tabled quickly because it got it over and done with. You need to realize that what you saw as playing by the rules came off as poor sportsmanship. For example, just about every time I set up my maneuver tool you would announce "you clicked it in place!!!" as though you anticipated me cheating. And there were a couple of times when I asked for clarification about a rule and instead of giving a one sentence answer, you proceeded to "mansplain". It got so frustrating that by the end I was doing stupid things like accidentally using my maneuver tool to measure distance instead of the range ruler (which led to you explaining in detail how and when I could use the maneuver tool). Apparently there was a lot of gloating in the end too but I tuned it out because at that point I didn't care. I had other things on my mind and I knew that if I let it get to me, I might take it out on my final opponent which wouldn't be fair to him. In the end it didn't ruin my day; I took 4th place and I enjoyed my other two games.

The other reason why it didn't ruin my day, and why I didn't bring it up until now, is that I've played against you before, including a store tournament in February. You were a great opponent in each of those games, and I truly had a great time. So I knew that you were better than that, and I thought that maybe you were just letting the competition get to you. I will still play against you in the future, but as Schmitty said, to those who did not know you, it was not a good first impression.

I don't think I've ever been the one to have someone refuse to play (I've had people quit when they found out my ethnicity but that's it).

I have a friend who is of a racial minority and he plays Game of Thrones LCG competitively...at one tournament he was paired against someone with a red hat with a certain political slogan on it. My friend won and the other guy said "I can't believe I lost to someone like you", and then proceeded to complain to other players about how it wasn't fair that he lost to "someone like that". I asked my friend if he complained to the TO; he said no, beating the guy was satisfactory enough for him.

Aye, everyone has an off day or meet people with whom they don't click. It can be an issue judging people by their lowest points and weakest moments, but it's seldom fair to evaluate people by those alone. Naturally, first impressions still count for a lot.

I don't find that surprising at all Iskander, it's one of those 'things' that can really seep into every aspect including games. The idea of inherent superiority or suitability is there and with some people there's an underlying assumption that it's inherently true in all situations. I'll readily admit I haven't a clue about really living as an identifiable minority in modern western society, so while I can sympathize and understand, I don't think I can reliably internalize that experience. Mine's closer to 'background noise' which make those sparse incidents more jarring. Being called one of 'them' is a weird and uncomfortable experience, I can't imagine what it would be like to live with that as an omni-present label.

I hate to bump a discussion that has run its course but since I was the opponent in the game in question, I feel that I should add my input. I did say I was fine but sometimes people say that when they don't mean it, and as Schmitty pointed out my body language indeed said otherwise. I said that I was fine because I didn't want to talk about it, I just wanted to head outside for some air. That was not a fun game at all, and at the time I was actually glad that I was tabled quickly because it got it over and done with. You need to realize that what you saw as playing by the rules came off as poor sportsmanship. For example, just about every time I set up my maneuver tool you would announce "you clicked it in place!!!" as though you anticipated me cheating. And there were a couple of times when I asked for clarification about a rule and instead of giving a one sentence answer, you proceeded to "mansplain". It got so frustrating that by the end I was doing stupid things like accidentally using my maneuver tool to measure distance instead of the range ruler (which led to you explaining in detail how and when I could use the maneuver tool). Apparently there was a lot of gloating in the end too but I tuned it out because at that point I didn't care. I had other things on my mind and I knew that if I let it get to me, I might take it out on my final opponent which wouldn't be fair to him. In the end it didn't ruin my day; I took 4th place and I enjoyed my other two games.

The other reason why it didn't ruin my day, and why I didn't bring it up until now, is that I've played against you before, including a store tournament in February. You were a great opponent in each of those games, and I truly had a great time. So I knew that you were better than that, and I thought that maybe you were just letting the competition get to you. I will still play against you in the future, but as Schmitty said, to those who did not know you, it was not a good first impression.

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Not sure why you deleted your post. It was a good one.

How would you propose for someone to fix such a perception?

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Not sure why you deleted your post. It was a good one.

How would you propose for someone to fix such a perception?

I had made the post before I finished reading all of the other responses. This seems to have been answered and resolved so I wasn't really adding anything.

After reading everything it seems that the person in question was annoyed by the way you came across during the play session, That's fine if you really want to play with said person just try to keep that in mind if you ever play in the future and keep your advice to yourself.

If you don't mind having someone who does not want to play with you (It's not a big deal and does not reflect poorly on either of you it is just a personal taste thing) then keep doing what you want and having fun the way you want.

I know when I play sometimes I can come across as gloating or being un-sportsman like to those who do not know me. (even when I am loosing horribly I often make comments like "I got you right where I want you" or I can't believe you are falling into my trap of letting you kill all of my ships". People who do not know me may think I am being a jerk or I am too dumb to see that I am loosing. Those that do know me just know that I have an odd sense of humor and mostly ignore my comments.

Ultimately if you know someone is bothered by something you do you can either choose to try and not do that when you are around them or you can choose to do whatever you want knowing that they can choose to not engage.