I'm surprised PGS plays at all. He's such a barrel of laughs.

I stopped believing his stories quite a while back. Nobody that's as big an ******* as he gleefully purports to be has enough people around willing to play games with him. So, one way or the other, he's making something up to feel cool.

Agreed. I saw him at a tourney a while ago call a judge over on turn 1 to argue his opponent set his ship up (in a mini swarm no less) at an angle that would make it fly off the board with a straight maneuver. I'm not talking blatant 1/2 of the base off the board, I'm talking a sliver. Clearly the opponent was setting them all up to do the same maneuver along the board edge and slightly bumped one after placement at some point on accident (who doesn't sometimes?).

Throughout the entire tourney he also had a habit of going over to your side of the board and getting in your space to get the best "view" for his maneuvers.

I had seen some posts from PGS on here before I went to that tourney and when I found who he was all I said to myself was: "Makes sense."

As for "Top Loser" moment? Myself for sure. I have a bad habit of getting very angry when crazy lucky rolls or a run of luck goes against me. Like having a full Guri w/ focus get one shotted by a Miranda (3hit, crit (direct) against 3 blanks) or having a "perfect" turn of maneuvering to get Soontir into a kill box and him roll 3x 3 natural evades to take no damage. Stuff like that, even though I am fully aware of this being a "luck" and dice game piss me off to no end. However, I always tell my opponent, no matter how salty I am, that I'm not mad at THEM, just the crappy turnout of the situation. That being said, I am always quiet and non-verbal when the luck goes the other way. I don't gloat and make sure to let my opponent vent as much as they want as I completely understand how they feel.

I also have the habit of hating "Meta" or I suppose "Net" lists: Triple Jump, Deng/Manaroo, Palp Aces, Rebel Regen, Fat Turrets. I do tell my opponents ahead of the game, "I hate that effing list, just a fair warning and apology if I turn sour." Not because I can't beat them, more because I hate playing a "casual" game and seeing a bunch of BS you see at a tourney and/or everywhere else these days. I had one person say the reason they were playing their Palp Aces against my 3x T-70 in a random casual game was because "I heard you're good, I gotta bring something". Never have I ever wanted to be considered "bad" in my life than right then.

Maybe my opponent should have given his Lambda a slight tilt away from the board edge. The judge only allowed it off the board because he doesn't play X-Wing. Someone else at a nearby table agreed that it should have been off the map.

If your ship goes off the map first turn, maybe you shouldn't make such a blunder. There is no rule that allows me to allow my opponent to keep a ship that has fled the map in play, or to allow a dial change. To do otherwise would be to break the rules.

Am I not allowed to do that? I tend to give warnings when I'm coming over to the other side of the table if dials are still being set in order to avoid dial peeking. Yes, sometimes I will crouch down by my opponent's side of the table to see if a straight will clip an asteroid or not. This is allowed, and I'm not doing it excessively so slow playing isn't a factor.

Worst loser I saw was someone who was having a very close game. He had a good chance of winning, but a very real chance of losing as well. He started telling my friend, "Good game," and stuff like that to try to get him to conceded. Our other two friends saw what was going on and they intervened and told our friend not to conceded (but didn't give details about how he could win because they didn't want to influenced the match). I know it's not cool to get involved with other people's games, but when an experienced player is bullying a less-experienced player into conceding because the experienced player sees there's a chance they could lose, that's low. My friend ended up losing anyway, but I had my eye on that opponent when I faced him later in the tournament.

Maybe my opponent should have given his Lambda a slight tilt away from the board edge. The judge only allowed it off the board because he doesn't play X-Wing. Someone else at a nearby table agreed that it should have been off the map.

If your ship goes off the map first turn, maybe you shouldn't make such a blunder. There is no rule that allows me to allow my opponent to keep a ship that has fled the map in play, or to allow a dial change. To do otherwise would be to break the rules.

Am I not allowed to do that? I tend to give warnings when I'm coming over to the other side of the table if dials are still being set in order to avoid dial peeking. Yes, sometimes I will crouch down by my opponent's side of the table to see if a straight will clip an asteroid or not. This is allowed, and I'm not doing it excessively so slow playing isn't a factor.

I've done that before. Plotted a straight maneuver, didn't realize the cardboard template wasn't exactly flush with the base, and off my ship went on turn 1. My ship fled the battle and now I always angle slightly inward instead of trying to get exactly parallel. It's a lesson that needs to be learned.

Alright, let's not start a having-a-go-at-ParaGoombaSlayer fest.

If somebody flies off the board they've flown off the board. They should have lined it up better. In a casual game you can let them off, but nobody can expect you to in a tournament.

Yes. I don't see a problem with anything PGS has said here. I miss skills and upgrades all the time and don't get salty about it (except at myself). The point should be to have fun--part of that is playing the game by the rules.

Anyone who gets upset with the other person if they don't get a take back of some sort, is the one being the poor sport.

There is no 'the ship has to be half off the board' rule, so even if it's off by just a sliver, it's still off. Getting upset with the other guy for not letting you get away with that, is again being a poor sport.

Agreed

I'm sorry but if your going to get mad at someone else, your a ******* loser.

Get mad at yourself all you want, but don't take your **** out on someone else because you played badly, or stupid

Anyone who gets upset with the other person if they don't get a take back of some sort, is the one being the poor sport.

There is no 'the ship has to be half off the board' rule, so even if it's off by just a sliver, it's still off. Getting upset with the other guy for not letting you get away with that, is again being a poor sport.

I don't entirely disagree with this, but I feel the "is the one being the poor sport" part is a bit misleading, as it implies that only one person is being a poor sport. True, if someone starts pouting that they didn't get to undo something in a serious tournament, that's poor sportsmanship. However, the opponent may or may not be a poor sport as well, depending on their reaction.

However, the opponent may or may not be a poor sport as well, depending on their reaction.

Of course, but I feel that goes without saying.

The point is, that it's not that uncommon for some people to act as if asking for and being denied a chance to fix a missed opportunity or even out and out break a rule, makes the other person a poor sport, and guilty of not flying casual.

I've seen it plenty of times here, where someone's ship is off the table by a fairly small amount and become absolutely livid that the other person would be such a poor sport to make them remove the ship, and then post here complaining about it.

IMO just asking to fix a missed opportunity is borderline poor sportsmanship... But not allowing it, is never poor sportsmanship. Taunting someone about it, or being a jerk in other ways is, but that's due to other behavior.

At Regionals this year, my Brobots are going up against U-Boats. Rocks are set up, all 6 in one corner of the playspace, functionally. There's this swimming pool of open area to my right, his left. I head straight for the rocks, thinking "Hey, an extra green die can really help me survive this alpha".

Opponent rushes into the asteroids to fight. We end up in a Conga Line, IG-IG-U-U-U, with his middle ship on a rock. "This is great for me," I think, "without actions, he's just a 2-Agility TIE." Turn one, mark my ship, try the template, he doesn't fit. IGs do what IGs do, and FCS/HLC takes about half off the far U-Boat. "This is going great," I thought, "Maybe I can just keep him right here."

Second turn, he reveals the same maneuvers. He asks for a mark (even though we know it won't fit...it didn't fit last time, if you recall) but I give it to him, it's Regionals after all, I want to be a good sport, a good player, so I mark...and his ships stay put. I've planned two 1 Forwards...I'm keeping this up as long as I can. IGs do what IGs do. Far U-Boat down.

Third turn, the same maneuvers! He asks for a mark again...I say something a little snarky perhaps. I certainly didn't mean it as a slight, but my local group has a little bit of a good-natured ribbing thing going for us, so I make a little comment. Something like "We'll see if it works this time." (Spoiler: it didn't). I keep up the 'go nowhere train' since my FCSs are at least giving me locks. The rock he kept being stuck on and two HLCs later and he's down to one ship.

He's had four torps pulled from the board without so much as firing, and that sucks. But this is Regionals, and, after all, this is his fault for dialing the exact same maneuver for three straight turns.

Turn four...he reveals, wanna guess? THE SAME MANEUVER! I see that, and flip my dials to indicate "yup, I'm not moving anywhere either." Hand goes straight up. "JUDGE!" yells this competitor, who's been silent as a crypt our entire match, which I found odd. X-Wing is an awesome community of awesome people, why not talk to some of them?

The Judge eventually comes over (big tournament, and hey, it's not like our match is looking like it's going to time), and he asks what's up. My opponent tells the judge that I'm 'cheating'. He uses that word. I'm railroading him, and trying not to let him take his turn. I'm being 'unsportsmanlike'.

The Judge, realizing that this could get tricky turns to me (we'd met a few times, but we aren't close) and asks "What happened?" With all the honesty, I can't say anything. Judge turns to opponent. "He's trying to keep me from taking my turn. I revealed my dials and then he just went, I didn't get to move or act."

I try to explain that he had dialed the same maneuver the last four turns, and I meant no disrespect. Judge says to my competitor "well, we'll give you your turn to move an act, and since you opponent didn't give you the chance to play you'll just have the benefit of knowing his maneuver."

Now the judge is here to watch his same maneuver fail for the 5th time in a row. There's another judge here. They have extra templates and they're triangulating positions and all that for no movement. Range 1 Aggressor shot, after lock 4 hits. blank evade.

I'm dialing up Turn 6...clearly he's done just sitting there. Obviously, he's going to try to hard turn or something...he needs to get a focus and, at least, try to get an alpha strike. (End game Alpha Strike). I'm thinking, with my back IG, who's taken most of the damage, I'll sloop him out run away. Let his healthy brother finish the hull of the Scout. I'll sloop right with the other IG...it made sense based on where the JM5K could end up.

He reveals, on Turn 6...THE SAME MANEUVER! I'm not doing a **** thing. I don't touch my dials, I don't touch my ships. He asks for a mark. I comply. I don't need the Judge coming over here...again for the same maneuver. He goes no where...no actions. Back IG, sloop...got the Scout in arc, range 2. Front IG, sloop...Scout, Range 1 in arc. Killboxes do what killboxes do and I've got the win.

I extend my hand. "Good game," I lied. Taking my hand for a handshake, Cpt. Conga says "The dice giveth, and the dice taketh away."

I extend my hand. "Good game," I lied. Taking my hand for a handshake, Cpt. Conga says "The dice giveth, and the dice taketh away."

Gotta wonder if maybe where he plays they play with some sort of funky house rules or something... Maybe they don't play with rocks or something.

Which even then... You'd think anyone who can get the basic rules of X-Wing should be able to figure out that the same maneuver is going to put you in the same spot every time.

At Regionals this year, my Brobots are going up against U-Boats. Rocks are set up, all 6 in one corner of the playspace, functionally. There's this swimming pool of open area to my right, his left. I head straight for the rocks, thinking "Hey, an extra green die can really help me survive this alpha".

Opponent rushes into the asteroids to fight. We end up in a Conga Line, IG-IG-U-U-U, with his middle ship on a rock. "This is great for me," I think, "without actions, he's just a 2-Agility TIE." Turn one, mark my ship, try the template, he doesn't fit. IGs do what IGs do, and FCS/HLC takes about half off the far U-Boat. "This is going great," I thought, "Maybe I can just keep him right here."

Second turn, he reveals the same maneuvers. He asks for a mark (even though we know it won't fit...it didn't fit last time, if you recall) but I give it to him, it's Regionals after all, I want to be a good sport, a good player, so I mark...and his ships stay put. I've planned two 1 Forwards...I'm keeping this up as long as I can. IGs do what IGs do. Far U-Boat down.

Third turn, the same maneuvers! He asks for a mark again...I say something a little snarky perhaps. I certainly didn't mean it as a slight, but my local group has a little bit of a good-natured ribbing thing going for us, so I make a little comment. Something like "We'll see if it works this time." (Spoiler: it didn't). I keep up the 'go nowhere train' since my FCSs are at least giving me locks. The rock he kept being stuck on and two HLCs later and he's down to one ship.

He's had four torps pulled from the board without so much as firing, and that sucks. But this is Regionals, and, after all, this is his fault for dialing the exact same maneuver for three straight turns.

Turn four...he reveals, wanna guess? THE SAME MANEUVER! I see that, and flip my dials to indicate "yup, I'm not moving anywhere either." Hand goes straight up. "JUDGE!" yells this competitor, who's been silent as a crypt our entire match, which I found odd. X-Wing is an awesome community of awesome people, why not talk to some of them?

The Judge eventually comes over (big tournament, and hey, it's not like our match is looking like it's going to time), and he asks what's up. My opponent tells the judge that I'm 'cheating'. He uses that word. I'm railroading him, and trying not to let him take his turn. I'm being 'unsportsmanlike'.

The Judge, realizing that this could get tricky turns to me (we'd met a few times, but we aren't close) and asks "What happened?" With all the honesty, I can't say anything. Judge turns to opponent. "He's trying to keep me from taking my turn. I revealed my dials and then he just went, I didn't get to move or act."

I try to explain that he had dialed the same maneuver the last four turns, and I meant no disrespect. Judge says to my competitor "well, we'll give you your turn to move an act, and since you opponent didn't give you the chance to play you'll just have the benefit of knowing his maneuver."

Now the judge is here to watch his same maneuver fail for the 5th time in a row. There's another judge here. They have extra templates and they're triangulating positions and all that for no movement. Range 1 Aggressor shot, after lock 4 hits. blank evade.

I'm dialing up Turn 6...clearly he's done just sitting there. Obviously, he's going to try to hard turn or something...he needs to get a focus and, at least, try to get an alpha strike. (End game Alpha Strike). I'm thinking, with my back IG, who's taken most of the damage, I'll sloop him out run away. Let his healthy brother finish the hull of the Scout. I'll sloop right with the other IG...it made sense based on where the JM5K could end up.

He reveals, on Turn 6...THE SAME MANEUVER! I'm not doing a **** thing. I don't touch my dials, I don't touch my ships. He asks for a mark. I comply. I don't need the Judge coming over here...again for the same maneuver. He goes no where...no actions. Back IG, sloop...got the Scout in arc, range 2. Front IG, sloop...Scout, Range 1 in arc. Killboxes do what killboxes do and I've got the win.

I extend my hand. "Good game," I lied. Taking my hand for a handshake, Cpt. Conga says "The dice giveth, and the dice taketh away."

This is an outrageous game from so many viewpoints. I don't know what he expected. Getting "locked down" by performing the same maneuver time after time should almost be expected. If you do it to yourself there's even a name for it although I guess I can see why someone gets mad if you make half the fortress considering the hostility if you have all the fortress.

You'd think anyone should be able to figure out that the same maneuver is going to put you in the same spot every time.

Fixed that for you. I'm sure basically any passerby could see that the same situation would happen over and over again if they saw 2 rounds of the stuff.

At Regionals this year, my Brobots are going up against U-Boats. Rocks are set up, all 6 in one corner of the playspace, functionally. There's this swimming pool of open area to my right, his left. I head straight for the rocks, thinking "Hey, an extra green die can really help me survive this alpha".

Opponent rushes into the asteroids to fight. We end up in a Conga Line, IG-IG-U-U-U, with his middle ship on a rock. "This is great for me," I think, "without actions, he's just a 2-Agility TIE." Turn one, mark my ship, try the template, he doesn't fit. IGs do what IGs do, and FCS/HLC takes about half off the far U-Boat. "This is going great," I thought, "Maybe I can just keep him right here."

Second turn, he reveals the same maneuvers. He asks for a mark (even though we know it won't fit...it didn't fit last time, if you recall) but I give it to him, it's Regionals after all, I want to be a good sport, a good player, so I mark...and his ships stay put. I've planned two 1 Forwards...I'm keeping this up as long as I can. IGs do what IGs do. Far U-Boat down.

Third turn, the same maneuvers! He asks for a mark again...I say something a little snarky perhaps. I certainly didn't mean it as a slight, but my local group has a little bit of a good-natured ribbing thing going for us, so I make a little comment. Something like "We'll see if it works this time." (Spoiler: it didn't). I keep up the 'go nowhere train' since my FCSs are at least giving me locks. The rock he kept being stuck on and two HLCs later and he's down to one ship.

He's had four torps pulled from the board without so much as firing, and that sucks. But this is Regionals, and, after all, this is his fault for dialing the exact same maneuver for three straight turns.

Turn four...he reveals, wanna guess? THE SAME MANEUVER! I see that, and flip my dials to indicate "yup, I'm not moving anywhere either." Hand goes straight up. "JUDGE!" yells this competitor, who's been silent as a crypt our entire match, which I found odd. X-Wing is an awesome community of awesome people, why not talk to some of them?

The Judge eventually comes over (big tournament, and hey, it's not like our match is looking like it's going to time), and he asks what's up. My opponent tells the judge that I'm 'cheating'. He uses that word. I'm railroading him, and trying not to let him take his turn. I'm being 'unsportsmanlike'.

The Judge, realizing that this could get tricky turns to me (we'd met a few times, but we aren't close) and asks "What happened?" With all the honesty, I can't say anything. Judge turns to opponent. "He's trying to keep me from taking my turn. I revealed my dials and then he just went, I didn't get to move or act."

I try to explain that he had dialed the same maneuver the last four turns, and I meant no disrespect. Judge says to my competitor "well, we'll give you your turn to move an act, and since you opponent didn't give you the chance to play you'll just have the benefit of knowing his maneuver."

Now the judge is here to watch his same maneuver fail for the 5th time in a row. There's another judge here. They have extra templates and they're triangulating positions and all that for no movement. Range 1 Aggressor shot, after lock 4 hits. blank evade.

I'm dialing up Turn 6...clearly he's done just sitting there. Obviously, he's going to try to hard turn or something...he needs to get a focus and, at least, try to get an alpha strike. (End game Alpha Strike). I'm thinking, with my back IG, who's taken most of the damage, I'll sloop him out run away. Let his healthy brother finish the hull of the Scout. I'll sloop right with the other IG...it made sense based on where the JM5K could end up.

He reveals, on Turn 6...THE SAME MANEUVER! I'm not doing a **** thing. I don't touch my dials, I don't touch my ships. He asks for a mark. I comply. I don't need the Judge coming over here...again for the same maneuver. He goes no where...no actions. Back IG, sloop...got the Scout in arc, range 2. Front IG, sloop...Scout, Range 1 in arc. Killboxes do what killboxes do and I've got the win.

I extend my hand. "Good game," I lied. Taking my hand for a handshake, Cpt. Conga says "The dice giveth, and the dice taketh away."

Isn't this the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?

Isn't this the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?

I think the player was hoping that the continual marking/re-placement of the ship(s) involved would alter things just enough to allow passage.

That's not reasonable by any measurement, but whether it's possible would depend on how much overlap there was.

Isn't this the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?

I think the player was hoping that the continual marking/re-placement of the ship(s) involved would alter things just enough to allow passage.

That's not reasonable by any measurement, but whether it's possible would depend on how much overlap there was.

I figured he was predicting that his opponent wouldn't expect him to do the same thing again and would try to counter him by making a different move, thus breaking the blocking chain.

Isn't this the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?

I think the player was hoping that the continual marking/re-placement of the ship(s) involved would alter things just enough to allow passage.

That's not reasonable by any measurement, but whether it's possible would depend on how much overlap there was.

I figured he was predicting that his opponent wouldn't expect him to do the same thing again and would try to counter him by making a different move, thus breaking the blocking chain.

That must have been the easiest win against U-boats ever

Isn't this the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?

I think the player was hoping that the continual marking/re-placement of the ship(s) involved would alter things just enough to allow passage.

That's not reasonable by any measurement, but whether it's possible would depend on how much overlap there was.

I figured he was predicting that his opponent wouldn't expect him to do the same thing again and would try to counter him by making a different move, thus breaking the blocking chain.

Except scouts move first against bro bots so...

Isn't this the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?

I think the player was hoping that the continual marking/re-placement of the ship(s) involved would alter things just enough to allow passage.

That's not reasonable by any measurement, but whether it's possible would depend on how much overlap there was.

I figured he was predicting that his opponent wouldn't expect him to do the same thing again and would try to counter him by making a different move, thus breaking the blocking chain.

Except scouts move first against bro bots so...

...

Maybe he was... bluffing himself?