Top "bad loser" moments of your opponent

By IG88E, in X-Wing

I don't understand why people would get angry at others for their mistakes. I don't get it. You miss a trigger or point towards the board edge when ion capable ships are around or whatever, it's your fault. I'm not going to play the game for you and inform you of what I'm doing ahead of time.

I don't understand the anger around dice either. People sigh when they roll 4 attack dice and "only" get 2 hits, people roll unmodified dice and except them to do anything significant.

What people should be angry about are near certainties that strip variance from the game. I'm not talking Accuracy Corrector, I'm talking Palp Aces invincible ship BS. I'd rather have a series of max hit shots get blocked by lucky green dice spikes, than face a Palp Aces player that turns focus blank blank into 4 evade results. In the first scenario, you can just shrug and say, "well, sometimes the dice are like that." In the second scenario you're just doomed no matter what.

You can outfly an opponent who's defence is based on action, range and arc. You can't outfly unlucky dice.

I don't understand why people would get angry at others for their mistakes. I don't get it. You miss a trigger or point towards the board edge when ion capable ships are around or whatever, it's your fault. I'm not going to play the game for you and inform you of what I'm doing ahead of time.

I don't understand the anger around dice either. People sigh when they roll 4 attack dice and "only" get 2 hits, people roll unmodified dice and except them to do anything significant.

What people should be angry about are near certainties that strip variance from the game. I'm not talking Accuracy Corrector, I'm talking Palp Aces invincible ship BS. I'd rather have a series of max hit shots get blocked by lucky green dice spikes, than face a Palp Aces player that turns focus blank blank into 4 evade results. In the first scenario, you can just shrug and say, "well, sometimes the dice are like that." In the second scenario you're just doomed no matter what.

You can outfly an opponent who's defence is based on action, range and arc. You can't outfly unlucky dice.

To an extend you can. The safest dice roll is that which is never rolled. If you never have to roll green dice, but your opponent does, eventually his are going to fail. At least, thats how it should be. PWTs destroy that, as does the ultra-mitigation of many aces.

Not a bad looser moment per se as it wasn't my opponent and good friend who was the bad looser but a guy watching the game.

We were playing 100 pts at our FLGS and my friend fielded TIE/FOs with TIE MKII upgrade.

He thought it would make the S-Loops green. So I said, it wouldn't and wanted to explain why l. But I was cut off by this guy with whom I had another dispute regarding 40k where he reinforced his points with "I play at turnaments, I know it better!" and "There is an Errata which says I'm right!" (there was not...)

He argued that the S-Loops become green and argued agoin by using "I've seen it at turnaments!", "And there is an FAQ regarding this." and "The manouvers using the same template so it's basicly the same manouver."

I wanted the game to go in and allowed my friend to fly his S-Loops green.

I lost. No problem for me.

At home I instantly looked for this ominous FAQ (I have the reputation to know each Errata by heart and this wouldn't leg me rest) Guess what: Like I expected. No such errata.

So I texted my friend the reason MKII doesn't turn S-Loops green. He responded that he looked the cards up after the game and that I was right.

Then I texted this guy. At the one hand I wanted to show him I was right and at the other I wanted to help him avoiding such mistakes at turnaments.

He responded using the same arguments and also used the german translation of Bank (Drehmanöver) which translated back means Turn Manouver to prove he is right because when performing an S-Loop you turn the ship around...

After I debunked everything he claimed and proved my points with the original english rules.

He responded with "Talk german to me!"

And blaimed me that I "want to **** up" his Sunday.

Then he blocked me.

I'll take this as a victory.

The other day I was playing against someone who fired with his PS 7 Kavil, I fired with my PS 6 Brobots, then we went to dials. After a minute or so after son dials were set, he realized that he had forgotten to fire with his Manaroo and Syndicate Thug. Then he got salty, said something about wanting to win by actually playing the game, and then next turn he bumped Kavil into Manaroo and ended up on a rock and he scooped.

Free wins for me, haha. I didn't even have to do anything, it was funny watching someone trip that hard over themselves and just let me win.

Two nice ones :D

Two nice ones :D

An opponent of mine fired out of PS order and I held him to it. The person that got angry at me in the above story was watching the game because he had the bye and said that what I was doing was an ass hole move, that it was so, so sh*tty, and that he hopes karma catches up to me.

Later in the event another opponent apparently mistakenly set his dial, bumping his Phantom into his Deci in front of 2 autoblaster turret K-Wings. I held him to that, and then that guy chimed in and said, "Nick likes to win that way."

Otherwise I like playing the game with him, I just wish he'd stop being so salty, his tears are giving me hypertension.

The other day I was playing against someone who fired with his PS 7 Kavil, I fired with my PS 6 Brobots, then we went to dials. After a minute or so after son dials were set, he realized that he had forgotten to fire with his Manaroo and Syndicate Thug. Then he got salty, said something about wanting to win by actually playing the game, and then next turn he bumped Kavil into Manaroo and ended up on a rock and he scooped.

Free wins for me, haha. I didn't even have to do anything, it was funny watching someone trip that hard over themselves and just let me win.

Certainly that was his fault and he shouldn't be a bad loser about it, but your attitude of "it was funny watching someone trip that hard over themselves and just let me win" is a bit unpleasant. I'm surprised you even consider that winning.

The other day I was playing against someone who fired with his PS 7 Kavil, I fired with my PS 6 Brobots, then we went to dials. After a minute or so after son dials were set, he realized that he had forgotten to fire with his Manaroo and Syndicate Thug. Then he got salty, said something about wanting to win by actually playing the game, and then next turn he bumped Kavil into Manaroo and ended up on a rock and he scooped.

Free wins for me, haha. I didn't even have to do anything, it was funny watching someone trip that hard over themselves and just let me win.

Certainly that was his fault and he shouldn't be a bad loser about it, but your attitude of "it was funny watching someone trip that hard over themselves and just let me win" is a bit unpleasant. I'm surprised you even consider that winning.

I'm surprised PGS plays at all. He's such a barrel of laughs.

I'm surprised PGS plays at all. He's such a barrel of laughs.

I stopped believing his stories quite a while back. Nobody that's as big an ******* as he gleefully purports to be has enough people around willing to play games with him. So, one way or the other, he's making something up to feel cool.

The other day I was playing against someone who fired with his PS 7 Kavil, I fired with my PS 6 Brobots, then we went to dials. After a minute or so after son dials were set, he realized that he had forgotten to fire with his Manaroo and Syndicate Thug. Then he got salty, said something about wanting to win by actually playing the game, and then next turn he bumped Kavil into Manaroo and ended up on a rock and he scooped.

Free wins for me, haha. I didn't even have to do anything, it was funny watching someone trip that hard over themselves and just let me win.

Certainly that was his fault and he shouldn't be a bad loser about it, but your attitude of "it was funny watching someone trip that hard over themselves and just let me win" is a bit unpleasant. I'm surprised you even consider that winning.

Would you rather me refer to it as free money? Because it happens in $5 tournaments for store credit.

I'm surprised PGS plays at all. He's such a barrel of laughs.

I stopped believing his stories quite a while back. Nobody that's as big an ******* as he gleefully purports to be has enough people around willing to play games with him. So, one way or the other, he's making something up to feel cool.

1.) The stories that I tell are true.

2.) In my area, we have a bunch of places that hold $5 3 round weekly events. I tend to get a bunch of games in a week.

3.) I'm not an ******* for holding my opponents to the rules, and then talking about it when they get angry. Maybe they should fly casual, after all it's just plastic spaceships, right? :D

I don't tell him to his face "haha thanks for the free win bud". These people are already mad and I'm a doormat of a person in real life so I'd rather not escalate things. These are people that miss a trigger, I deny it to them, and then they (or an observer) get angry with me and try to emotionally manipulate me into thinking that I'm the bad guy for as they're insulting me and making snide remarks. It's funny how mad they get at me for their own mistakes. When I miss a trigger I don't get mad at my opponent.

I just wait until afterwards when I get on the forums to discuss it because I don't want an argument during the event.

I'm surprised PGS plays at all. He's such a barrel of laughs.

I stopped believing his stories quite a while back. Nobody that's as big an ******* as he gleefully purports to be has enough people around willing to play games with him. So, one way or the other, he's making something up to feel cool.

1.) The stories that I tell are true.

2.) In my area, we have a bunch of places that hold $5 3 round weekly events. I tend to get a bunch of games in a week.

3.) I'm not an ******* for holding my opponents to the rules, and then talking about it when they get angry. Maybe they should fly casual, after all it's just plastic spaceships, right? :D

I don't tell him to his face "haha thanks for the free win bud". These people are already mad and I'm a doormat of a person in real life so I'd rather not escalate things. These are people that miss a trigger, I deny it to them, and then they (or an observer) get angry with me and try to emotionally manipulate me into thinking that I'm the bad guy for as they're insulting me and making snide remarks. It's funny how mad they get at me for their own mistakes. When I miss a trigger I don't get mad at my opponent.

I just wait until afterwards when I get on the forums to discuss it because I don't want an argument during the event.

The internet is a good place to vent frustration. Sounds like you have a lot of neck beards in your area

I do get pretty loud and animated when I am losing, even at 2013 worlds I said F#$% out loud when the entire room went quiet (My opponent called my blinded pilot crit causing my x-wing not to be able to shoot back, that is cussing worthy) but I make sure to talk to them afterwards to let them know how great a game it was and that’s why I get into it.

Worst poor sportsmanship I ever saw was that same year at a regional. Map next to me and a casual player who was in the tournament accidentally set a red maneuver while stressed. So the other player (my friend) flew her off the board. Which started a large multi person argument about whether or not that was in the spirit of the game. She and her husband stormed off never to play again so I am told.

3.) I'm not an ******* for holding my opponents to the rules, and then talking about it when they get angry. Maybe they should fly casual, after all it's just plastic spaceships, right? :D

Works both ways pal. Works both ways.

Personally, I feel PGS did nothing wrong, and given the circumstances, I'm sure some of us would do the same thing, whether we want to admit it or not.

I felt sorry for holding someone to their forgetfulness even if the timing was pretty tight in this case:

He forgot to End Phase his VCX ATB with accuracy corrector.
We had already gone to dials.

He tried to claim "there's no timing to distinguish End Phase and new round" but before that he had been fairly loud and vehement about specific details of the rules when talking to others and arguing his way for everything hypothetical, no place for discussion whether he was wrong or right.

So I just took that chance when it came to me. Still felt bad because I like games where no mistakes are made and are won or lost through good thinking instead of "Oh I forgot this"

But I would consider him a bad loser in this case, for his attitude in general. He would've probably made a bad winner as well had it gone south for me afterwards.

I'm surprised PGS plays at all. He's such a barrel of laughs.

I stopped believing his stories quite a while back. Nobody that's as big an ******* as he gleefully purports to be has enough people around willing to play games with him. So, one way or the other, he's making something up to feel cool.

You know, he might just be trolling us all.

Sure ParaGoomba Slayer might have a raging hard-on for PWTs, but (and this is pure breeze-shot) he might also be a pretty reasonable guy in real life. We all could be, and that's the really scary part...

Hell.

Fortunately I've not had any particularly bad experiences in regards to this.

All I can say is that when I've personally made a mistake or missed something I don't try to do it.

I made a mistake. I'm going to own it. I'll probably grumble to myself but that's not the other players fault. They've had an opportunity presented to them and they should take it. If they insist otherwise I'll be very gracious and thankful, after declining once or twice.

I'm not happy with myself about it but that's the game. Follow the rules. I would hope others would so I'll take the consequences.

I felt sorry for holding someone to their forgetfulness even if the timing was pretty tight in this case:

He forgot to End Phase his VCX ATB with accuracy corrector.

We had already gone to dials.

He tried to claim "there's no timing to distinguish End Phase and new round" but before that he had been fairly loud and vehement about specific details of the rules when talking to others and arguing his way for everything hypothetical, no place for discussion whether he was wrong or right.

So I just took that chance when it came to me. Still felt bad because I like games where no mistakes are made and are won or lost through good thinking instead of "Oh I forgot this"

But I would consider him a bad loser in this case, for his attitude in general. He would've probably made a bad winner as well had it gone south for me afterwards.

Isn't he right? There's nothing stopping you preparing your dials for next round any time you like, and there's been no change in the status of the game, so he couldn't possibly be gaining an advantage.

Personally, I feel PGS did nothing wrong.

Carefull, sometimes I have the impression thats the same thing as saying "Hitler did nothing wrong" around here :D

To be honest I never really got the hate for him. Surely an opinionated person, but you can just agree to disagree. I'd actually love to have someone like him in my area for some really tryhard games.

I felt sorry for holding someone to their forgetfulness even if the timing was pretty tight in this case:

He forgot to End Phase his VCX ATB with accuracy corrector.

We had already gone to dials.

He tried to claim "there's no timing to distinguish End Phase and new round" but before that he had been fairly loud and vehement about specific details of the rules when talking to others and arguing his way for everything hypothetical, no place for discussion whether he was wrong or right.

So I just took that chance when it came to me. Still felt bad because I like games where no mistakes are made and are won or lost through good thinking instead of "Oh I forgot this"

But I would consider him a bad loser in this case, for his attitude in general. He would've probably made a bad winner as well had it gone south for me afterwards.

Isn't he right? There's nothing stopping you preparing your dials for next round any time you like, and there's been no change in the status of the game, so he couldn't possibly be gaining an advantage.

If both sides are back to setting dials you're now in the activation phase. The end phase has passed.

So no he was not right. Now if this was a friendly or casual game it is rather easy to just "back up" a little and let him have his shot, but if your going to play in a tournament it's up to you to remember your triggers. Not your opponent

And wtf is wrong with all these people. Some need to get out and get laid or something.

Tournaments are there so you can compete. Part of that competition is to test your skills, and knowledge of the game. If you cannot remember your own triggers and actions them maybe you should stay home. Your clearly not going to win if you think people should hold your hand.

"oh you forgot to cloak, go ahead"

"don't forget to shoot with your Ghost title"

"don't you have gunner on that ship"

It's these things that actually decide the fate of some game. I'm sorry but if people expect players to remind them of their abilities, they don't deserve to win. Imo these bad losers types have it coming.

I'm really surprised how bad some people attitude can be towards another over them forgetting their own abilities.

Don't get mad at people for your own mistakes. It seems some expect people to hold their hands. If it upsets them, then I'd suggest there the door.

From now on (though I've never had to) I'm not going to cuddle these types of players if I ever came across one. If I came across one of these toxic players (which again I probably never will) I'm just going to say "Hey man It's a game and your at a tournament" if he gets nasty or ignorant with me I'd just say "the door is right there man. Noone forcing you to play, and it's your responsibility to play your game and remember your ****"

I'm a competitive person, so I can understand frustration. I don't take it out on my opponent. If I get frustrated over something, it's usually myself that I get mad at because I know I can do better. It's not my opponent fault I forgot something. That's on me.

I feel these people probably do the same thing with their jobs and real life situation. When something doesn't go their way it's the world's fault, rather than thinking they did something, it's always the "other" persons fault

Edited by Krynn007

Apologies if this is a long post but I've got a few things to say on the subject so bear with me or skip to the TL;DR :P

I used to occasionally berate myself with comments like "that was a really stupid move" when I saw a block coming and second guessed myself into the trap and never realised it came across as being salty. After reading a similar thread on here a while a go I decided to make an effort to not do this anymore as people who don't know me may not understand I'm not actually being a d**k bag, just trying to learn from my mistakes by making it stick in my memory.

I went to a large tourney 2 hours drive away from home and had a terrible day in game terms, ended up 2-3 with one of the wins being a modified win. Despite having really bad dice and flying poorly I kept making jokes about girl on girl action as 2 Mirandas got into a dogfight, chatting about gaming in general and kept smiling. Out of my 5 opponents; 3 made the effort to find me before leaving and saying thanks for being the most fun opponent I've ever had. A 4th out of the 5 wrote a blog that someone shared in our local gaming club and it referred to our game as "one of the most enjoyable games he'd ever played". I honestly didn't realise what an effect what you present has on your opponent until this day. Now I always try to keep making jokes and being fun whenever I can, winning or loosing so long as I'm not in physical pain I try not to let anything negative show.

Conversely; next tourney (a bit more local) I took the same list too and I got second going 4-1 and maintained the same attitude. The guy who got first also said "That was the best game I've ever played!" after our game which was very close and full of laughs. The guy who took 3rd, however, didn't seem up for a laugh in our game so I wound my neck in and then read a blog he'd written about a week later where he basically slated me and my list as "oddball" saying he knew he could win but didn't have the time. Timed games are part of tournaments bud; build to win in that time! That's about as close as I've got to a sore looser despite my constant attempts to be a fun opponent whether winning or loosing.

Locally; we have a lot of banter within our gaming circle that may come over as bad sportsmanship to an outsider or onlooker but is all in good nature between us. Myself and a local gamer have a small feud for "out-filthing" each other; it began when I blocked him into flying a full health fat Han off the board and he responded the next week by ion walking my b-wings off the board :P There's no venom though; it's just how we escape from daily life.

Another local tourney recently I took 3rd with an Attani Mindlink list and played a guy who actually first introduced me to the game 2-3 years ago now. I lost Kavil and Palob early and had Guri on 3 hull. She solo'd Biggs, a red squad with stressbot and a dagger b-wing before picking the last dagger down to 3 hull 1 shield getting me the win. I thought I'd lost after Palob died and said "I'm just going to troll your MOV now." When I'd left him with 1 b-wing Guri was on 1 hull left and as he chased me around the board kept making jokes about breaking my legs if I didn't re-engage. It was all in jest but to any onlookers who didn't know us we must have both come across as salty at points. Time was called and I won on points with Guri on 1 hull and his last Dagger on 3 hull 1 shield landing me in the prize bracket and pushing him out. He gave me a hug in front of everyone to show it was all banter and we went for a cigarette. I guess my point here is sometimes joking comes across as bad sportsmanship when it's really not. Outsiders probably thought we we're both d**ks!

The above mentioned chap also told me a story about the Yavin open (I didn't attend). He was playing a young kid we both know who was moaning about never having had a tournament win so he decided to be, sort of, kind. He killed his own Decivader to deliver a crit which would have made a draw if it was a direct hit. Turned out not to be so the kid won. He then looked through the damage deck as not a single direct hit had been pulled despite vader crits being everywhere. Kid had stacked his Direct Hits ALL at the bottom of his damage deck. I proceeded to explain to the guy, after telling me about this, that was not his first tournament win either. He went 2-2 at the SC I TO'd about 6 weeks prior. Needless to say he felt a bit miffed he'd been cheated and emotionally blackmailed by a kid but it was in the past so onwards and upwards and all that.

Our local league has a guy who I've let take back barrel rolls, retrospective TL from FCS and take focus actions after missing out. He's responded by refusing to let me take actions I've missed so I've simply smiled and made it my mission to crush him with a smile. Not really a bad looser but using those little advantages when I'm kind enough to understand that mistakes are made on a Friday after a long week at work is a bit of a double standard.

TL;DR - Some people are d**k bags; don't respond in kind or you'll be one too. Rise above it and smile. 99% of the world will respect you more for it. Banter is great but just be careful you know where the boundaries lie. Don't give in to emotional blackmail. Fly casual and PEW PEW all who cross you!

I felt sorry for holding someone to their forgetfulness even if the timing was pretty tight in this case:

He forgot to End Phase his VCX ATB with accuracy corrector.

We had already gone to dials.

He tried to claim "there's no timing to distinguish End Phase and new round" but before that he had been fairly loud and vehement about specific details of the rules when talking to others and arguing his way for everything hypothetical, no place for discussion whether he was wrong or right.

So I just took that chance when it came to me. Still felt bad because I like games where no mistakes are made and are won or lost through good thinking instead of "Oh I forgot this"

But I would consider him a bad loser in this case, for his attitude in general. He would've probably made a bad winner as well had it gone south for me afterwards.

Isn't he right? There's nothing stopping you preparing your dials for next round any time you like, and there's been no change in the status of the game, so he couldn't possibly be gaining an advantage.
There is an end phase and that's when you do your clean up etc.

If both sides are back to setting dials you're now in the activation phase. The end phase has passed.

So no he was not right. Now if this was a friendly or casual game it is rather easy to just "back up" a little and let him have his shot, but if your going to play in a tournament it's up to you to remember your triggers. Not your opponent

And wtf is wrong with all these people. Some need to get out and get laid or something.

Tournaments are there so you can compete. Part of that competition is to test your skills, and knowledge of the game. If you cannot remember your own triggers and actions them maybe you should stay home. Your clearly not going to win if you think people should hold your hand.

"oh you forgot to cloak, go ahead"

"don't forget to shoot with your Ghost title"

"don't you have gunner on that ship"

It's these things that actually decide the fate of some game. I'm sorry but if people expect players to remind them of their abilities, they don't deserve to win. Imo these bad losers types have it coming.

I'm really surprised how bad some people attitude can be towards another over them forgetting their own abilities.

Don't get mad at people for your own mistakes. It seems some expect people to hold their hands. If it upsets them, then I'd suggest there the door.

From now on (though I've never had to) I'm not going to cuddle these types of players if I ever came across one. If I came across one of these toxic players (which again I probably never will) I'm just going to say "Hey man It's a game and your at a tournament" if he gets nasty or ignorant with me I'd just say "the door is right there man. Noone forcing you to play, and it's your responsibility to play your game and remember your ****"

I'm a competitive person, so I can understand frustration. I don't take it out on my opponent. If I get frustrated over something, it's usually myself that I get mad at because I know I can do better. It's not my opponent fault I forgot something. That's on me.

I feel these people probably do the same thing with their jobs and real life situation. When something doesn't go their way it's the world's fault, rather than thinking they did something, it's always the "other" persons fault

Purely for the sake of argument: yes, if he's started putting his dials on the board then he's clearly moved into the next phase, but if he hasn't they he could simple be messing with dials during the end phase.

He should get into the habit of saying aloud when entering the next phase, I find that helps remind me to trigger things. Of course, it might also help your opponent, so if you really don't want to help them remember anything then I suppose that might be counterproductive.

I felt sorry for holding someone to their forgetfulness even if the timing was pretty tight in this case:

He forgot to End Phase his VCX ATB with accuracy corrector.

We had already gone to dials.

He tried to claim "there's no timing to distinguish End Phase and new round" but before that he had been fairly loud and vehement about specific details of the rules when talking to others and arguing his way for everything hypothetical, no place for discussion whether he was wrong or right.

So I just took that chance when it came to me. Still felt bad because I like games where no mistakes are made and are won or lost through good thinking instead of "Oh I forgot this"

But I would consider him a bad loser in this case, for his attitude in general. He would've probably made a bad winner as well had it gone south for me afterwards.

Isn't he right? There's nothing stopping you preparing your dials for next round any time you like, and there's been no change in the status of the game, so he couldn't possibly be gaining an advantage.
There is an end phase and that's when you do your clean up etc.

If both sides are back to setting dials you're now in the activation phase. The end phase has passed.

So no he was not right. Now if this was a friendly or casual game it is rather easy to just "back up" a little and let him have his shot, but if your going to play in a tournament it's up to you to remember your triggers. Not your opponent

And wtf is wrong with all these people. Some need to get out and get laid or something.

Tournaments are there so you can compete. Part of that competition is to test your skills, and knowledge of the game. If you cannot remember your own triggers and actions them maybe you should stay home. Your clearly not going to win if you think people should hold your hand.

"oh you forgot to cloak, go ahead"

"don't forget to shoot with your Ghost title"

"don't you have gunner on that ship"

It's these things that actually decide the fate of some game. I'm sorry but if people expect players to remind them of their abilities, they don't deserve to win. Imo these bad losers types have it coming.

I'm really surprised how bad some people attitude can be towards another over them forgetting their own abilities.

Don't get mad at people for your own mistakes. It seems some expect people to hold their hands. If it upsets them, then I'd suggest there the door.

From now on (though I've never had to) I'm not going to cuddle these types of players if I ever came across one. If I came across one of these toxic players (which again I probably never will) I'm just going to say "Hey man It's a game and your at a tournament" if he gets nasty or ignorant with me I'd just say "the door is right there man. Noone forcing you to play, and it's your responsibility to play your game and remember your ****"

I'm a competitive person, so I can understand frustration. I don't take it out on my opponent. If I get frustrated over something, it's usually myself that I get mad at because I know I can do better. It's not my opponent fault I forgot something. That's on me.

I feel these people probably do the same thing with their jobs and real life situation. When something doesn't go their way it's the world's fault, rather than thinking they did something, it's always the "other" persons fault

Purely for the sake of argument: yes, if he's started putting his dials on the board then he's clearly moved into the next phase, but if he hasn't they he could simple be messing with dials during the end phase.

He should get into the habit of saying aloud when entering the next phase, I find that helps remind me to trigger things. Of course, it might also help your opponent, so if you really don't want to help them remember anything then I suppose that might be counterproductive.

But even so, if nothing was said, we are both messing with dials and a good min or two has gone by and I'm now starting to lay dials down, and he says "oh crap I forgot this during end phase" I'm afraid we are probably past that point.

(especially if my opponent uses the term "forgot" this tells me he realizes we are past the end phase and now into the start phase which is why he himself used the term "I forgot""

I play fair and I do not rush people into their dial phase and setting dials. I may not remember kanan has Ghost title, and may day back to dials, and if we are both looking at our dials, then he remembers. He kind of missed it I'm afraid

Technically you shouldn't be messing with dials until the proper phase

I know many do. I'm guilty of it myself, but I don't think blaming or getting mad at someone is good sportsmanship. If it were me. I'd probably say oh crap I forgot and keep setting my dial, and just get mad at me. Not my opponent

Edited by Krynn007

...I kept making jokes about girl on girl action as 2 Mirandas got into a dogfight...

Hahaha, very nice one!