Hi All,

The first round of voting on pilots is over and we have the prototype versions of the 15 pilots that will be in the CCL vassal extension!

There was a tie for the last place, so we ended up with 16 ships instead of the planned 15.

Take a look at these pilots, and start thinking about any changes you would make to them. You can submit modified versions of these pilots for the second round of voting on this thread!

Congratulations to all those who submitted these pilots!

The custom upgrades will take a while for me to process; the winners should be announced within a day or so. Enjoy!

Custom Pilots for Custom Ships:

Assault Gunboat:

SoroSuub Luxury Yacht 3000:

V-Wing:

TIE Avenger:

Custom Pilots for existing ships:

Yes! Reach made it. Awesome. I'm definitely, DEFINITELY thinking of pushing Reach's pilot skill up by one, just to give the V-Wing a pilot at a competitive level. Also thinking of coming up with a better name.

Also, quick question, for the second round of voting; The way i understand it works is that we make any changes we think might be necessary, then resubmit them, but one way or another "Reach" is a confirmed V-Wing pilot, whether it be the old or new version, right? Like, It's not possible for a pilot selected to get knocked out now, right?

Yes! Reach made it. Awesome. I'm definitely, DEFINITELY thinking of pushing Reach's pilot skill up by one, just to give the V-Wing a pilot at a competitive level. Also thinking of coming up with a better name.

Also, quick question, for the second round of voting; The way i understand it works is that we make any changes we think might be necessary, then resubmit them, but one way or another "Reach" is a confirmed V-Wing pilot, whether it be the old or new version, right? Like, It's not possible for a pilot selected to get knocked out now, right?

Yah, same as the ships. The pilots are in, but they can be tweaked (In theory I suppose someone could maybe submit a new version with the same name but a differnet ability, but not sure if it can go that far)

Last time I tabulated votes, the day before, it looked like this...

Curious the number of ships pulled head on the final day.

How many votes did so many ships have to get to bump down Mara Jade?

More than 5%?

Oh, BTW, Rogue Squadron Ace is a generic, does it really belong in this poll?

Looks like only rogue ace and savan were below her (outside of pilots for the custom ships). Can't speak to how many votes they had to get since I can'ts ee the results...

Also, remember if someone upvoted one of the ships that was below her there, and downvoted her, that's basically +2 in the other ships favor.

MJ's headhunter was pretty close to the cutoff, looks like she did jump up just before the end but got some downvotes while other ships got upvotes. Savan had a similar flirtation with being in/out, I think, and other ships went in and out of the cutoff.

*edit- looks like plenty of your upgrades made the cut in that vote, though, Gabe (if I remember the authorships right)

"~4 Ships, ~15 unique pilots, and ~20 new upgrade cards"
So if there was 2 uniques each for the 4 custom that leaves 7 uniques for old ships.
So you're going with 16? What about the generic?

And since you mentioned upgrades, why go with 19 instead of 20?

There was never a 'no generic pilot rule' for custom pilot submissions. Here's a breakdown:

Custom ships needed to be submitted with generic pilots to establish a basic cost for the ship.

Each custom ship is guaranteed 2 unique pilot slots in addition to its generic pilots that are part of the ship submission. The top two scoring pilots for each ship got those slots.

Submitting generic pilots for any ship (even custom ships) was perfectly legal for the custom pilot category. One generic made the cut: Rogue Squadron Ace.

Here I took 16 custom pilots, because there was a tie for the last place and I didn't have a tiebreaker mechanism ahead of time. There's not too much difference between 15 and 16 pilots so I decided to just include both.

Dude, Gabe is just trying to crack the conspiracy or something, like he's been trying to do the entire time.

Dude, Gabe is just trying to crack the conspiracy or something, like he's been trying to do the entire time.

Haha, well if I'm running a conspiracy I did a real crap job of getting my ship entry in the final 4 cut for the custom ship portion! I think Gabe just wants to make sure the count was right. It's fine to have someone check my work; I'm human and I can make mistakes. You get what you pay for!

Although in this category, one of my entries (Myn Donos) did claim the top spot; pretty surprising o me actually. Are there a lot of Myn Donos fans out there or do people just really like that ability on an X-wing? (OR DID I FIX THE COMPETITION!?!)

Ooryl+Biggs escorting an ace sounds obnoxious. Can't wait to see it

Dude, Gabe is just trying to crack the conspiracy or something, like he's been trying to do the entire time.

One of mine no less.

There was never a 'no generic pilot rule' for custom pilot submissions. Here's a breakdown:

Custom ships needed to be submitted with generic pilots to establish a basic cost for the ship.

Each custom ship is guaranteed 2 unique pilot slots in addition to its generic pilots that are part of the ship submission. The top two scoring pilots for each ship got those slots.

Submitting generic pilots for any ship (even custom ships) was perfectly legal for the custom pilot category. One generic made the cut: Rogue Squadron Ace.

Here I took 16 custom pilots, because there was a tie for the last place and I didn't have a tiebreaker mechanism ahead of time. There's not too much difference between 15 and 16 pilots so I decided to just include both.

It's completely generic, it doesn't even have a pilot ability.

Maybe I'm just not getting how a generic can be considered a unique pilot. It isn't is it.

There was never a 'no generic pilot rule' for custom pilot submissions. Here's a breakdown:

Custom ships needed to be submitted with generic pilots to establish a basic cost for the ship.

Each custom ship is guaranteed 2 unique pilot slots in addition to its generic pilots that are part of the ship submission. The top two scoring pilots for each ship got those slots.

Submitting generic pilots for any ship (even custom ships) was perfectly legal for the custom pilot category. One generic made the cut: Rogue Squadron Ace.

Here I took 16 custom pilots, because there was a tie for the last place and I didn't have a tiebreaker mechanism ahead of time. There's not too much difference between 15 and 16 pilots so I decided to just include both.

I thought we were done with generics and these were supposed to be unique pilots.

It's completely generic, it doesn't even have a pilot ability.

Maybe I'm just not getting how a generic can be considered a unique pilot. It isn't is it.

I don't think he ever said unique pilots. The ship submissions and voted were required to have generic pilots to go with the ship, and those generics are part of the ship submission. Nothing says other generics for existing ships (or even for the 4 new ships) couldn't be submitted for the pilot votes.

There was never a 'no generic pilot rule' for custom pilot submissions. Here's a breakdown:

Custom ships needed to be submitted with generic pilots to establish a basic cost for the ship.

Each custom ship is guaranteed 2 unique pilot slots in addition to its generic pilots that are part of the ship submission. The top two scoring pilots for each ship got those slots.

Submitting generic pilots for any ship (even custom ships) was perfectly legal for the custom pilot category. One generic made the cut: Rogue Squadron Ace.

Here I took 16 custom pilots, because there was a tie for the last place and I didn't have a tiebreaker mechanism ahead of time. There's not too much difference between 15 and 16 pilots so I decided to just include both.

I thought we were done with generics and these were supposed to be unique pilots.

It's completely generic, it doesn't even have a pilot ability.

Maybe I'm just not getting how a generic can be considered a unique pilot. It isn't is it.

I don't think he ever said unique pilots. The ship submissions and voted were required to have generic pilots to go with the ship, and those generics are part of the ship submission. Nothing says other generics for existing ships (or even for the 4 new ships) couldn't be submitted for the pilot votes.

Ah, actually I see where the confusion is coming from and its my fault. In the kick-off post I said "~15 unique pilots" would be picked. I don't remember if that was just a straight-up mistake then or if I realized later on that generics should also be accepted as pilot submissions. But I was running this portion of the league (custom pilots) as though generic pilots were legal submissions. And that is how they will continue to be treated (the Rogue Squadron Ace is still a legal submission)

I don't think he ever said unique pilots.

The first X-Wing Custom Card League starts now. We’ll be developing the rough equivalent of one wave worth of X-Wing content: ~4 Ships, ~15 unique pilots, and ~20 new upgrade cards, all submitted, developed and voted on by members of the community.

I'll be taking what you say with a bucket of salt from now. Never say Ever.

I don't think he ever said unique pilots.

The first X-Wing Custom Card League starts [/size]now[/size]. We’ll be developing the rough equivalent of one wave worth of X-Wing content: ~4 Ships, ~15 unique pilots, and ~20 new upgrade cards, all submitted, developed and voted on by members of the community.[/size]

I'll be taking what you say with a bucket of salt from now. Never say Ever. [/size]

I was clearly wrong. I have no problem admitting that. On the other hand, rogue ace wasnt the only generic submitted AND enough people voted for it to let it make it in as one of the custom pilots, so most people dont seem to have an issue with it.

I don't think he ever said unique pilots.

The first X-Wing Custom Card League starts [/size]now[/size]. We’ll be developing the rough equivalent of one wave worth of X-Wing content: ~4 Ships, ~15 unique pilots, and ~20 new upgrade cards, all submitted, developed and voted on by members of the community.[/size]

I'll be taking what you say with a bucket of salt from now. Never say Ever. [/size]

I was clearly wrong. I have no problem admitting that. On the other hand, rogue ace wasnt the only generic submitted AND enough people voted for it to let it make it in as one of the custom pilots, so most people dont seem to have an issue with it.

I do find it interesting that we got no rebel custom ships (with 2 imp and 2 scum), and no imperial custom pilots (outside of the uniques for their ships). Got the most rebel pilots in the remaining 8 slots, with several more scum in addition.

Guess that means scum made out the best overall?

I wasn't paying close enough attention to other people ships to notice all the missing dots. I still think it should have a dot, just like the other generic Aces.

Not paying attention is your own fault, not anyone elses . I remember the rogue ace being generic, there was a generic y-wing with an EPT slot that I definitely remember being in there, pretty sure there was a generic starviper.

But anyway, my issue wasn't with the card itself. Obviously my issue is that the fabulous Mara Jade was bumped down by a generic with no pilot ability... such BS, I still can't get over it.

We can tell...

Never say Ever.

I could also point out that I didn't say "never" (since the acual phrase is "never say never"), and I also said "I don't think...", which is rather differnet from a straight "He never said"

(...)

I wasn't paying close enough attention to other people ships to notice all the missing dots. I still think it should have a dot, just like the other generic Aces. But anyway, my issue wasn't with the card itself. Obviously my issue is that the fabulous Mara Jade was bumped down by a generic with no pilot ability... such BS, I still can't get over it.

I wasn't paying close enough attention to other people ships to notice all the missing dots. I still think it should have a dot, just like the other generic Aces.

Not paying attention is your own fault, not anyone elses . I remember the rogue ace being generic, there was a generic y-wing with an EPT slot that I definitely remember being in there, pretty sure there was a generic starviper.

• "Red Ace"

• "Blue Ace"

(...)

I wasn't paying close enough attention to other people ships to notice all the missing dots. I still think it should have a dot, just like the other generic Aces. But anyway, my issue wasn't with the card itself. Obviously my issue is that the fabulous Mara Jade was bumped down by a generic with no pilot ability... such BS, I still can't get over it.

There is a Mara Jade. It seems it's just not your version in your ship (the Z95 one, I presume?). Instead of being happy that you got almost half of the upgrade card slots (comin ahead of a LOT of good stuff), you start complaining here and there as well, about why not more of your stuff (e.g. your Jabba) got elected (there even proposing pushing out the voted Jabba with your Jabba which was declined (for reasons)). Maybe calm down a bit?

Like I already said I had my own favorites.

Plus, you're kind of misunderstanding the part where the rules are getting clarified.

I wasn't paying close enough attention to other people ships to notice all the missing dots. I still think it should have a dot, just like the other generic Aces.

Not paying attention is your own fault, not anyone elses . I remember the rogue ace being generic, there was a generic y-wing with an EPT slot that I definitely remember being in there, pretty sure there was a generic starviper.

• "Red Ace"

• "Blue Ace"

Good for them. Don't they feel special. The "Rogue Squadron Ace" isn't unique. Deal with it. Or submit a unique version for round 2 and see if other people agree with you.

@Babaganoosh

(...don't you hate it when other people answer for you wrong and you have to respond anyway.)

Incidentally, is this going to double as the submission form

for the new custom unique named pilot versions?

I wasn't paying close enough attention to other people ships to notice all the missing dots. I still think it should have a dot, just like the other generic Aces.

Not paying attention is your own fault, not anyone elses . I remember the rogue ace being generic, there was a generic y-wing with an EPT slot that I definitely remember being in there, pretty sure there was a generic starviper.

• "Red Ace"

• "Blue Ace"

Good for them. Don't they feel special. The "Rogue Squadron Ace" isn't generic. Deal with it. Or submit a unique version for round 2 and see if other people agree with you.

No, I was just pointing out you like to misquote me. I said other Aces, not other generics.

I wasn't paying close enough attention to other people ships to notice all the missing dots. I still think it should have a dot, just like the other generic Aces.

Not paying attention is your own fault, not anyone elses . I remember the rogue ace being generic, there was a generic y-wing with an EPT slot that I definitely remember being in there, pretty sure there was a generic starviper.

• "Red Ace"

• "Blue Ace"

Good for them. Don't they feel special. The "Rogue Squadron Ace" isn't generic. Deal with it. Or submit a unique version for round 2 and see if other people agree with you.

No, I was just pointing out you like to misquote me. I said other Aces, not other generics.

When have I misquoted you? I wasn't misquoting you here, i was talking about something completely different from what you apparently think I was. I said the fact that you missed the dots on custom pilots was your fault. Then I said that the rogue squadron ace was not the only generic submitted, just the only won voted in. I wasn't commenting in any way shape or form about red and blue ace.