After all this time, the T-65, E-Wing, Khiraxz, Starviper and Scyk still haven't even had their Veterans or Aces packs announced.

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The fact is, we have a Star Wars dogfighting game where Luke Skywalker and Wedge Antillies are bad choices for a Rebel list. And that's a travesty in my opinion.

The T-65 got Integrated Astromech. Yes, I know people won't be happy until they get a Boost or Barrel Roll added in. Still, you can't say they got nothing.

Kihraxz and Scyk got Attani Mindlink. They are much better with those EPTs.

The T-65 is only not viable for high level tournament play. The only way to bring them in is to basically make them as broken as the other stuff at the top tables.

Plus, the T-65s are actually still showing up in Top 8s. We just saw a Biggs/Wes/Corran squad go undefeated in Utah. That's part of why you can't simply Title either of those ships into broader viability. Those pilots are already very competitive. Any further buff to the ship needs to be done in a way that will keep them from becoming monsters.

It made one top 8 at one regional.

Correction: It won two regionals.

'It' being:

Corran Horn + R2D2 (a very powerful ship)

Wes (a hard counter to Triple Scouts, taken for his ability in spite of the crummy ship)

Biggs (a great choice from Wave 1, taken for his ability in spite of the crummy ship).

Honestly, pointing to two examples of 2 of the best X-Wings in the meta winning as 'proof' the T-65 is fine is like pointing to pre-fix Darth Vader occasionally placing top 8 as proof that the TIE Advanced was fine.

When we start seeing Wedge, Luke etc. taken as often as Soontir, Vader or The Inquisitor, then we can talk about the T-65 being fixed.

EDIT: Carnor made both more cuts and top 4s than Biggs (the supposed 'great' X-Wing). Carnor.

Hell, he only made 2 top 4s more than Palob!

T65 has a lot of really **** good pilot abilities, problem is the ship is so bad most of the abilities arent able to be used very well.

Wes and Biggs are the only ones that are still **** powerful: Wes because of his anti-token shenanigans and Biggs because he adds a lot of beef to other ships and can still hit fairly hard if given the chance.

Still say T65s need a torpedo refit card ala Awings. Sac the slot nobody ever flippin' uses to save 2-3pts

also helps to paint ships you want to use so you have an excuse to put them on the table

example, I love T-70s even if they're simply not viable. So I gotta go the extra mile to getting them on the table and feeling good about it

And by the way T-70s might not be the *BEST or most viable ship* but they are certainly viable, especially over many other options.

And they hopefulyl get some great options in the new Resistance box.

After all this time, the T-65, E-Wing, Khiraxz, Starviper and Scyk still haven't even had their Veterans or Aces packs announced.

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The fact is, we have a Star Wars dogfighting game where Luke Skywalker and Wedge Antillies are bad choices for a Rebel list. And that's a travesty in my opinion.

The T-65 got Integrated Astromech. Yes, I know people won't be happy until they get a Boost or Barrel Roll added in. Still, you can't say they got nothing.

Kihraxz and Scyk got Attani Mindlink. They are much better with those EPTs.

The T-65 is only not viable for high level tournament play. The only way to bring them in is to basically make them as broken as the other stuff at the top tables.

Plus, the T-65s are actually still showing up in Top 8s. We just saw a Biggs/Wes/Corran squad go undefeated in Utah. That's part of why you can't simply Title either of those ships into broader viability. Those pilots are already very competitive. Any further buff to the ship needs to be done in a way that will keep them from becoming monsters.

It made one top 8 at one regional.

Correction: It won two regionals.

'It' being:

Corran Horn + R2D2 (a very powerful ship)

Wes (a hard counter to Triple Scouts, taken for his ability in spite of the crummy ship)

Biggs (a great choice from Wave 1, taken for his ability in spite of the crummy ship).

Honestly, pointing to two examples of 2 of the best X-Wings in the meta winning as 'proof' the T-65 is fine is like pointing to pre-fix Darth Vader occasionally placing top 8 as proof that the TIE Advanced was fine.

When we start seeing Wedge, Luke etc. taken as often as Soontir, Vader or The Inquisitor, then we can talk about the T-65 being fixed.

EDIT: Carnor made both more cuts and top 4s than Biggs (the supposed 'great' X-Wing). Carnor.

Hell, he only made 2 top 4s more than Palob!

I never said it was fine. I said that any fix for it needed to be smart, so that the pilots with really strong abilities don't become monsters just to bring the weaker ones up to par.

And the E-Wing in particular is going to need a deft touch, because Corran is still one of the best ships in the game and doesn't need any more help.

The most likely source to fix both ships will probably be the Astromech slot. Corran has practically duct-taped R2-D2 into his, so he probably won't benefit as much.

I never said it was fine. I said that any fix for it needed to be smart, so that the pilots with really strong abilities don't become monsters just to bring the weaker ones up to par.

And the E-Wing in particular is going to need a deft touch, because Corran is still one of the best ships in the game and doesn't need any more help.

The most likely source to fix both ships will probably be the Astromech slot. Corran has practically duct-taped R2-D2 into his, so he probably won't benefit as much.

I don't think the title that most X-Wing pilots would need to catch up would be so powerful that Biggs and Wes would be overpowered. Powerful yes, but so is Vader after X/1.

We can't leave a whole ship in the dust because 1-2 Pilots might get buffed over the curve. It didn't stop Autothrusters fixing the Interceptor, it didn't stop X/1 from fixing the Advanced and I hope it doesn't stop a title from fixing the X-Wing.

Amazed JBR7 hasn't shown up to curse, "the dam meta," and rant about "glory" yet. You're slipping, Joe!

Anyway, no to the Chardon Refit. Taking the missile slot was a terrible mistake that really hurt the intended use of the A-wing as a swift alpha striker. The A-wing title should have just been -2 points and given you an additional EPT if your PS was greater than one.

And besides, who fired the most famous proton torpedo in the Franchise? And in what ship?

Edit: Stupid Auto-correct.

also helps to paint ships you want to use so you have an excuse to put them on the table

example, I love T-70s even if they're simply not viable. So I gotta go the extra mile to getting them on the table and feeling good about it

Love the red paint job on the T-70.

And by the way T-70s might not be the *BEST or most viable ship* but they are certainly viable, especially over many other options.

And they hopefulyl get some great options in the new Resistance box.

don't think anything in the resistance box will help overall when they're just overpriced at a base level. we can only hope for awesome fun new named pilots (ie, not the waste of space PS 9 poe).

apart from Prow Thrusters, the only generic upgrade that won't eat up the crackshot slot is the tech that (As far as can be told) allows you to perform an action before Check Pilot Stress after executing a (red) manuever). If it costs what it's supposed to (1 point; learn from targeting astro FFG) , red vets can be semi-solid at 30 points packing full mods and crackshots after a t-roll

but until then,

I understand what you're saying OP and I'm sure many people feel the same, to some extent, myself included. Locally we have a number of players who have been playing for a while and pride ourselves on learning to fly better with a list we want to fly as opposed to a "meta" list.

Our local store championship consisted of a rebel list with Poe, Horton Salm (yes, you read that right) and 2 z's, my Palob, 4-LOM and scout list (scout; singular), a rouge squadron list with Wedge, Wes and Luke and the token triple jumps in the top 4 cut. No palp aces, no dash and ghost. Triple jumps won in the end but I'd never played against the list before and made some silly mistakes, ended up losing to that list 100-50. It's not unbeatable with a janky list by any means, I'd just no idea on how to beat it at that time.

Last weekend we had a local 16 player tournament. The same Rouge squadron list stayed on the top table all day. I took a kavil, palob and guri mindlink list and got 3rd. My only loss was to one of the "meta kings", dash and chopper.

This weekend we have a tournament called "Never tell me the odds!" with double obstacles, which has attracted a lot more attention than I was expecting.

Honestly; i think a lot of people are bored of the current meta, especially after regionals and Yavin. Don't worry about winning and just enjoy flying what you want, switch up the format, revel in that look of surprise on your opponents face when you set up a really janky list and start tearing holes in them and most of all smile. It's just a game

Meta is not killing anyone! Just whole lot of fuzz around it, group hysteria!

Clear your meta and stay clam!

I get you are being light hearted about it, but the tournament scene does turn people off from the game at times. I've known more than a few to drop out because of it. It's just not their style of play.

If you want a challengw, fly 3-4 Y-Wings. Tomorrow I will try a Hwk with 2 Y-Wings and 1 T-70. 3 ships that will have pilotskill 12 during combatphase. 12 I say? Yes it's possible... swarm tactics x 2. Goarak hwk gives 12 to 1 ship. That ship share its 12 with another ship and then that one does the same. It's a brilliabt tactics for those who underestimate the power of lowlevels.

If how other people enjoy their plastic spaceships offends you, perhaps you should take a step back and self evaluate.

I'm hitting a wall of frustration and rock paper scissors.

If how other people enjoy their plastic spaceships offends you, perhaps you should take a step back and self evaluate.

I don't think he's saying he's offended. I think he's saying he's frustrated with how his games have been lately. As in...not really filling him with joy. Then again, there is more than one way to play X-wing.

Unless you are commenting on someone else, that is.

I think he's saying he's frustrated with how his games have been lately.

I know it's easier said than done, but sometimes you have to be the change you want to see. If the current meta bothers you or you find it unenjoyable then try to get something else going. It may not be easy but it could well prove to be worth the effort.

Start a HotAC campaign, start league that excludes given waves or ships, start a random list league, ect... Maybe you won't get much traction, but maybe there's a bunch of other people who would enjoy that kind of thing but don't know that anyone else wants to do something like that.

Perhaps you could limit yourself to demo games and build a new community to play with, or maybe find a new group to play with if that's an option.

Also you could try adapting to the current meta, try to figure out a way to counter it, take it as a challenge to see what you can beat it with.

Lastly, there's also the option of taking a break the current meta will only last until the next thing comes out and if you really aren't enjoying yourself then perhaps best thing is wait until this current meta is done.

Asking for changes is quite frankly the least effective thing you can do. FFG is not going to change things in the middle of the OP season, if they even feel there's an actual need for a change. Which they may not.

I think he's saying he's frustrated with how his games have been lately.

I know it's easier said than done, but sometimes you have to be the change you want to see. If the current meta bothers you or you find it unenjoyable then try to get something else going. It may not be easy but it could well prove to be worth the effort.

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Asking for changes is quite frankly the least effective thing you can do. FFG is not going to change things in the middle of the OP season, if they even feel there's an actual need for a change. Which they may not.

Man....wouldn't it be great if someone with a podcast dedicated an episode to "Building the Casual Scene"?

http://shuttletydirium.podbean.com/e/building-the-casual-scene/

I get you are being light hearted about it, but the tournament scene does turn people off from the game at times. I've known more than a few to drop out because of it. It's just not their style of play.

This is where I'm at. 100 points + 6 rocks isn't for me anymore, and there are only so many times you can face the same list two or three times in a single afternoon. Some of the locals are open to playing something different on open game nights, fortunately.