Group cost and attachments

By holmesaggie, in Imperial Assault Rules Questions

Do attachments affect the cost of a group as it applies to command cards?

For example, Squad Swarm states, " Use after activating a group. You may immediately activate another ready group with the same name. The combined cost of both groups cannot exceed 15."

If I have two groups of Elite Rebel Sabs, both with Targeting Computer, can I activate one right after the other? The cost of each eSab group is only 7, but with the attachments their VP value is 8 if they are killed. So is the total cost of both groups 14 (eSab+eSab) or 16 (eSab+eSab+Targeting Computer+Targeting Computer)?

As far as I know, if an ability refers to group cost, it does not include attachments. Attachments are just scored separately.

This seems to match what I read about Skirmish Attachments from the rulesheets of some of the expansions.

It mentions 'The combined cost of both groups' You have added an attachment to a group increasing its 'cost' So instead of having 2 groups of 7 points, you now have 2 groups of 8 points.

Attachments are added to the cost of the deployment card. If they don't add to the cost then when you kill all the figures in that deployment you would not get the cost of the attachment.

Please read the Skirmish Attachment rules. They say the attachments are scored in addition to VP's scored from the deployment cards. Attachments do not thus increase the cost of the groups, otherwise the VP's from attachments would be scored twice.

(I have seen Paul Winchester Todd Michlitsch remind people of this distinction very recently. I can't quote him verbatim though. But rephrased it was what I said above. If an ability calls for group cost, that is the group cost, and group cost does not include the possible single attachment that is allowed per deployment card. VP's from the group and attachment are scored at the same time but separately.)

Edited by a1bert

I'm not saying that the attachment is scored twice. I know that attachments can only be scored once. Would be cheating in trying to get double points for it and I don't think anyone would try that. Well I hope no one would try that. But Ignoring the scoring part (as that was not the original question.)

But are you not increasing the overall cost of that deployment by adding an attachment?

Can you put up the page as I have read the skirmish guide and the RRG and cant find any mention of it?

A skirmish attachment does not increase the group's (deployment) cost.

The deployment cost of a group does not need to change, cannot change, and does not change when you add an attachment.

* Defeating Figures: When the last figure in a group is defeated,
the opposing player scores VPs equal to the deployment cost
of that group. To track this, the card's controller places the
Deployment card near his opponent.

When a group with an "Attachment" card is defeated, the opposing
player scores VPs equal to the deployment cost of the "Attachment"
card in addition to the VPs he scores from the defeated group.

As the only bit regarding the scoring of attachments has been in the ISB pack (only just released), that would mean that everyone has been scoring the game wrong as it mentions nothing about adding on the cost of an attachment when the last figure in a group is defeated in any of the rules to date.

Yet everyone has been adding the cost of the attachment as it is removed when the deployment cards last figure has been removed from play. Therefore the attachment has been added onto the cost there by increasing it.

In every other game out there (not just ffg's games), the cost of the deployed unit is increased when attachment/upgrades have been added to the unit. That is my point of view. This game has not said anything different

That's why I could not find the rules regarding the attachment cost is separate to the deployment card cost as I have not used the ISB's yet.

Edited by TryerImp

You can probably take a look at any pack that provides a skirmish attachment. ISB Infiltrators was the first one that occurred to me, me having the sheet in front of me.

At least Return to Hoth guide has the same.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/197940-skirmish-points-for-killing-unit-with-attachment/

The first pack with the Skirmish Attachment rules is the Stormtrooper Villain pack.

Edited by a1bert

There is a thread somewhere about Squad Swarm where I sent a question to Paul Winchester who confirmed that the attachment does not change the cost of the at deployment card for the purpose of these command cards that reference cost.

You score the points for the attachment, when the corresponding group is defeated.

The points for the attachment are not added to the groups cost for any other purpose.

You score the points for the attachment, when the corresponding group is defeated.

The points for the attachment are not added to the groups cost for any other purpose.

And strictly attachment costs are not added to group cost even then, because the attachments are scored separately, although at the same time as the VP are scored from the group.