Use the app

Most convenient and least destructive

I don't like the idea of the app, I want to roll dice, if I wanted to use electronic devices I would play computer games. Even though it's an FFG product I would prefer my opponent sling dice rather than push buttons. There are many options, ie a box, you can roll into to save the destruction of your fleet. Ships tend to flow to certain areas of the board, roll not on that side and there shouldn't be an issue.

dice are about the least important aspect of in-person x-wing

one would think the social experience and physical models mattered more than destroying the environment with errant rng boxes

For me dice are most fun in every game! The one aspect that you can't really effect on and you just can hope to throw good result and that's the thrill from the game for me!

that's so lame though

dice are the one thing that take both players out of the game completely

the more you can do to ignore them (bombs, abts, feedback, stuff like oicuun's ability), the more fun you have

they're, at best, a necessary evil to introduce variance

I do enjoy that stuff too and it is the true measure of skill too, but as you can control all that I like that dice variable a lot because it changes the predictability in good way and forces gamers to react with new ideas quickly.

heh, anyone recall the vid of the guy who was arranging the dice in his hand then dropping them from a short distance over the table and the TO wouldn't call him on it?

I prefer to have them audibly tumble in my palm before depositing them somewhere midfield, but yes, I have misjudge on several occasions and tumbled them against ship bases.

I used to use a dice cup with a lid, but then one day I spilled the works and knocked a guys Decimator over. No harm done, but for a second we were both like 'uh...'

Now I just shake em up good and try to get a good bounce out if them, but in such as way that they don't go flying.

Use the app

Most convenient and least destructive

I don't like the idea of the app, I want to roll dice, if I wanted to use electronic devices I would play computer games. Even though it's an FFG product I would prefer my opponent sling dice rather than push buttons. There are many options, ie a box, you can roll into to save the destruction of your fleet. Ships tend to flow to certain areas of the board, roll not on that side and there shouldn't be an issue.

dice are about the least important aspect of in-person x-wing

one would think the social experience and physical models mattered more than destroying the environment with errant rng boxes

I don't concur with your opinion. No one really remembers the time you flew well, but they will say remember the time you rolled 3 evades and I couldn't kill you, or the time when you just wouldn't miss? These variance boxes are there to make the game fun/frustrating all at the same time.

Pressing the button on an app, may as well as stay home and play it on Vassal.

I'm sure people can find good and "effective" way of throwing dice without bowling any ships or meteorites. Just watching tournament from YouTube and it is amazing how much stuff gets bumped with dice alone and then you "correct" the position and it is way more off in the end!

Dice cup. I wish they where mandatory

Use the app

Most convenient and least destructive

Windows Phone. :/

I use a dice tray like a civilized person. I'm not just some sort of animal that rolls dice in the playing area and knocks ships and asteroids around, I'm a human being **** it!

The couple of times I've played someone that use a dice tray have been kind of annoying. They'll reach into into the tray to start modifying the results without me being able to see the dice that are near the wall closest to me. That very likely was a pair of eyeballs they spent a focus token to change but they could have just as easily been a pair of blanks.

Use the app

Most convenient and least destructive

I don't like the idea of the app, I want to roll dice, if I wanted to use electronic devices I would play computer games. Even though it's an FFG product I would prefer my opponent sling dice rather than push buttons. There are many options, ie a box, you can roll into to save the destruction of your fleet. Ships tend to flow to certain areas of the board, roll not on that side and there shouldn't be an issue.

dice are about the least important aspect of in-person x-wing

one would think the social experience and physical models mattered more than destroying the environment with errant rng boxes

I don't concur with your opinion. No one really remembers the time you flew well, but they will say remember the time you rolled 3 evades and I couldn't kill you, or the time when you just wouldn't miss? These variance boxes are there to make the game fun/frustrating all at the same time.

Pressing the button on an app, may as well as stay home and play it on Vassal.

fly bombs, people will remember (or you will win)

seriously, if the actual in-person social atmosphere isn't the real draw to playing the game, you might as well play on vassal. The dice are literally the same rng crap you know and love, just less of a hassle

you can buy a tray for holding paper or something for 2 bucks at a home depot or walmart.

Or you can spend 20 bucks on one with a felt bottom.

that's so lame though

dice are the one thing that take both players out of the game completely

the more you can do to ignore them (bombs, abts, feedback, stuff like oicuun's ability), the more fun you have

they're, at best, a necessary evil to introduce variance

Show us on the doll where the bad dice touched you.

So maybe dice tray is not such a great idea, unless it is one of those shallow edged ones. I do use dice cup in other games more often just because there is issue with some friends accidentally throwing dice under couch or something and that is big hassle to find them.

Throwing dice is not hard. You pick them up, jiggle them around in your palm and then roll them off your palm onto an open section of the table about 6" off the surface. If you can't master that in a minute or two then buy a dice cup or tower.

I roll my dice away from the ships as they do have a tendency to go astray, however, what I don't do, is specifically re-roll dice over other dice in the vain hope that it knocks over the rested dice and changes their result for the better.

I have seen the happen a few times and in most cases, it can avoid the spending of a focus token which can be crucial in some games.

During my first tournament, I brought one of the empty plastic clam-shell things from one of my IG-88s. I used it to transport my pieces from table to table and during the match, I used it to roll dice into. It has high walls and it's clear so your opponent can see your rolls decently well, but no dice will be jumping out of that thing! And it's free!*

*Well, you do have to buy the ship, but nobody's paying $30 for a flimsy, plastic dice tray.

After organising a regionals, the local shop got a bunch of fancy dice trays..But before that, it's not like everyone's out to toss the dice across the tables like maniacs...Hadn't really thought of it as an issue before, tbh.

I just am baffled because how much the ship position means in the game that hard core players haven't been pointing out this before.

I know that those mistakes happen when moving ships or measuring range etc, but even then I would like to see that people wouldn't get too sloppy with it, but dice rolling is something that can be done right so no ships ends up moving or asteroids.

Personally I just find space on the mat where there's no ships and roll laterally, so they spill out and get some good tumbling but aren't at risk of careening into anything important. With that, it's never been an issue with either cocked dice or smacking ships. I don't even manage to hit my own dice when rerolling (though when I do, I hold the firm resolution that you reset an unintentionally hit die back to its former result when rerolling from the pool)

My discipline with measuring pieces could use a lot more careful attention, however.

I pick up the dice, shake them violently, then release them like 5 or 6 inches off the mat/table in an area that is away from all ships. That seems like common sense to me, but I have seen way too many people shake their dice, then release them by jerking their hand back quickly literally 2 or 3 feet above the mat, which causes the dice to fly all over the place and pelt the mat like napalm or something. This almost always results in ships being bumped and moved throughout the game.

At the last regional I went to, after the third time my ship was bumped a guy throwing his dice like that, I asked him to please stop doing that and roll away from the ships since this was really starting to affect the game. He said there was no reason he should and got all bitchy about it. I started to call the TO over, and he suddenly said it had no problem rolling like a **** human. I still won. Afterward, i brought this up the TO, and he sided with me, and said he had already had others complain.

Seriously people, just be considerate, at least a little. throwing dice all over the mat like a mad man does not make them roll better and will just cause unneeded havoc.

I roll my dice away from the ships as they do have a tendency to go astray, however, what I don't do, is specifically re-roll dice over other dice in the vain hope that it knocks over the rested dice and changes their result for the better.

I have seen the happen a few times and in most cases, it can avoid the spending of a focus token which can be crucial in some games.

I'm pretty sure if you see someone reroll and dice, and that reroll bumps and changes the result of another die, you can call someone on it and they have to go back to the original facing. If people do that on purpose, they are crappy players and need to be called on their crappy behavior.

You're playing on a 3c3 board. It shouldn't be difficult to roll your dice in an area of empty space

I have really never understood why some players accept things which can have a serious effect (even if unlikely) on the outcome of matches which are very easily prevented. Why? If you're a spazzy dice roller you know it. Get a cup or dice tray or use something to counteract your nature. You don't want to accidentally knock over ships then don't. Magnetic mats, rubber nubs, weighted bases. If they stop 1 ship from moving 1 time they're a great idea and should be moved. In a game of mm where ship position is absolutely vital we should do anything and everything we can to preserve that ingegrity, including not knocking them over with dice.

I have really never understood why some players accept things which can have a serious effect (even if unlikely) on the outcome of matches which are very easily prevented. Why? If you're a spazzy dice roller you know it. Get a cup or dice tray or use something to counteract your nature. You don't want to accidentally knock over ships then don't. Magnetic mats, rubber nubs, weighted bases. If they stop 1 ship from moving 1 time they're a great idea and should be moved. In a game of mm where ship position is absolutely vital we should do anything and everything we can to preserve that ingegrity, including not knocking them over with dice.

Exactly! This should be taken seriously, especially in competitive level, but best place to start the new habit is from your casual flight nights!

I would hate to see my ship or asteroid change the position in critical moment..