Question regarding dice additions being a 'dice modification'

By Papamambo, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Is adding or subtracting a dice or a die result considered a dice modification?

3 examples - Vader using ATC. ATC adds a crit result. Does this work against Omega Leader if OL has Vader Target Locked?

2nd example - anyone shooting at Omega Leader at range 1 adds a die. Same question - does the addition happen if he has that ship target locked.

3rd example - the Inquisitor treats all attacks as if they are range 1. Same question if OL has the Inquisitor target locked.

You see where I'm going with this right?

I guess the same question could also be asked in the reverse. If OL has a ship Target Locked and is shooting at the ship through debris, do they get the additional defense dice?

Just about to go into Regionals and was thinking about bringing OL to the table and just wanted to clarify this before I finalize my list.

Adding a result after you roll (ATC) is a modification, and can be blocked by Omega Leader's pilot ability.

Adding a die to the pool before you roll (every other example you list) is not, and cannot.

Adding results don't count as a modification, so none one of those scenarios would be affected by OL. Range combat bonuses, debris, and so on act as normal.

Edit: Owl's right, I'm thinking about accuracy corrector-like scenarios that involve cancellations, which would bypass OL

Edited by Mozic

Adding results don't count as a modification, so none one of those scenarios would be affected by OL. Range combat bonuses, debris, and so on act as normal.

Edit: Owl's right, I'm thinking about accuracy corrector-like scenarios that involve cancellations, which would bypass OL

Result cancellation is not modification. Adding results is. Accuracy corrector would cancel all results but not add anything back to the pool.

Adding dice before rolling is not modification. Cancelling dice is not modification. Dice modifications are:

- Adding results (evade token, ATC)
- changing results (Guidance Chips, Juke)
- Rerolling (target lock, zuckuss crew)

Rules Reference, p13 "Modifying Dice".

(Is it sad that I don't even have to look that up any more?)

So Vader can't use ATC. Debris works as normal. What about the Inquisitor?

He still gets his three Dice.

So Vader can't use ATC. Debris works as normal. What about the Inquisitor?

His ability applies the bonus for being at Range 1 and that's not a dice modification.

What about range bonus for ships defending against the inquisitor? Does he negate range 3 bonus by virtue of his ability?

What about range bonus for ships defending against the inquisitor? Does he negate range 3 bonus by virtue of his ability?

Yes, because his primary attacks are treated as Range 1.

FAQ:

When the Inquisitor attacks with his primary weapon, he rolls an additional attack die. If the defender is at Range 3, the defender does not roll an additional defense die.

Thanks Parravon!

One last question. Is cancelling dice considered a modification? Like Wampa as an example can cancel his dice results and if he cancels a crit can deal a facedown damage.

EDIT- NVM just reread.. the thread duh..

Edited by Papamambo

As per the faq, dice modification is literally anything outside the natural roll to put it briefly.

Which i really dont get. Adding isnt modifying when you cant add to a face of a die. Meh.

Omega Leader and Ten Numb are the main ones to look at for this clarification.

Also, if OL has someone locked that has an HLC, he keeps the crits from going to hits..

Adding results don't count as a modification, so none one of those scenarios would be affected by OL. Range combat bonuses, debris, and so on act as normal.

Edit: Owl's right, I'm thinking about accuracy corrector-like scenarios that involve cancellations, which would bypass OL

Result cancellation is not modification. Adding results is. Accuracy corrector would cancel all results but not add anything back to the pool.

Accuracy Corrector does add to the dice pool. It cancels the roll, and then adds to hit results.

By the seeming clarification above that constitutes an unnatural result of the dice roll by changing a blank result, or a 1 boom, or 1 kaboom result, into a 2 boom result.

That couldn't seem more clearly like a dice modification to me.

That's exactly what Gryphon said. If you try to use AC against Omega Leader, you would cancel your attack dice (not a modification), then try to add 2 hit results, which is a modification that Leader would stop.

I have actually seen someone turn that back on OL, though. He had a super-Ghost packing Gunner and AC, rolled only 1/4 on the initial attack. Then, rather than give his opponent the chance to only take 1 damage, he triggered AC and caused his attack to miss, got to try again with Gunner, rolled 4/4 and killed her.

That's exactly what Gryphon said. If you try to use AC against Omega Leader, you would cancel your attack dice (not a modification), then try to add 2 hit results, which is a modification that Leader would stop.

I have actually seen someone turn that back on OL, though. He had a super-Ghost packing Gunner and AC, rolled only 1/4 on the initial attack. Then, rather than give his opponent the chance to only take 1 damage, he triggered AC and caused his attack to miss, got to try again with Gunner, rolled 4/4 and killed her.

Well, that's one way to get the job done! :)