We have the Kashykk Open coming on the 18th and the Italian xwing publisher, Giochi Uniti, still hasn't commercialized the wave 8.

While most of the competitive community has already purchased the ships from amazon or similiar services(with great damage to the same LGS that usually the competitive community loves to support) all the official sanctionated tournaments so far have been forced to be played with the old wave 7 meta.

It means that all the Italian player that are going to play at the SoS are coming with 0 serious experience against Jumpsters, new aces and all the most recent shenanigans.

The same publisher didn't even allow a regional to be hosted in Rome (national capital and home of the biggest or second biggest xwing community of the whole country) because, according to them, "too many players from Rome bought the wave 8 in english" (thus not from them).

Giochi Uniti has already announced and postponed the release more than once and with only 8 days to the SoS, we have no clue of when wave 8 will be available for purchase.

With costantly telling LGS that the ships would be out soon, Giochi Uniti made also impossible to the LGS owner to purchase huge stocks in english from foreign publishers because they were risking of losing money if the translated wave would have been actually released on the dates announced.

Now that's finally ffg started to support a real worldwide competitive circuit, Italian's player got royally screwed up by our local publisher and it sucks big time.

I hope that ffg is aware of the whole mess and it's seriously considering to pass over their licenses to Giochi Uniti's competitors, they don't deserve to sell (badly) this awesome game.

Sorry for the rant, most of you won't have many reason to care about it, but I, as many fellow players, are really pissed off by this

Hopefully, ffg can do something about this. You could always just move to the us of a my friend! We have cookies! (Way too many cookies)

That sounds awful!

Hopefully, ffg can do something about this. You could always just move to the us of a my friend! We have cookies! (Way too many cookies)

And bears

If a System Open is being held in a country that has yet to release Wave 8, does that mean that it won't be legal for that event?

If a System Open is being held in a country that has yet to release Wave 8, does that mean that it won't be legal for that event?

No, wave 8 will be legal because sos is an international event. I'm not complaining about that: making wave 8 illegal would just have screwed the event in different way

That sounds more than a little painful.

There seems to be a fair bit of these difficulties; I would caution however that simply changing publishers may not be the easiest of things to do given that there's the whole translate-and-print-whole-different-sets-of-cards issue at hand.

Good luck, I guess?

sorry I'm italian but I live in US, I know how things work in italy too often. it's FFG's fault for not being on top of things. it's too easy to just shrug it off as being the foreign licensee's fault. FFG needs to put clear terms in their license regarding unreasonable delays. Even just a 5 minutes phone call to the licensee to put some pressure would cost FFG nothing but may bring some results.

I'm Italian. A friend who owns a game store was telling me a month ago that Giochi Uniti was losing the contract with FFG. So that's maybe the reason why they're not releasing Wave 8 yet. Both my friend and the owner of the main store selling X-Wing in my city are using different distributors lately, so Wave 8 has indeed arrived here since a while (in English, of course. But that's better, because Giochi Uniti's translation was painful).

I'm Italian. A friend who owns a game store was telling me a month ago that Giochi Uniti was losing the contract with FFG. So that's maybe the reason why they're not releasing Wave 8 yet. Both my friend and the owner of the main store selling X-Wing in my city are using different distributors lately, so Wave 8 has indeed arrived here since a while (in English, of course. But that's better, because Giochi Uniti's translation was painful).

Yeah, there is also a rumor about the last of the delays being a decision by Giochi Uniti of sending both Wave 8 and Imperial Veterans with the same couriers to save money...

But as I said in the OP in the end the biggest damage for players isn't wave unavailability, but it being non legal for the whole store championship season which meant that Italian players are coming to the SoS without having had the chance to proper test wave 8 in a competitive atmosphere

Wait a minute....you wanna tell me that all your store championships were organized by this Giochi Uniti company?

If no, what prevented you from using wave 8? Here in Poland stores wave availablity was called by TOs. If i recall corretly we had one store ~week after W8 release that had it legal, while a TO week or two later said W8 is not yet legal there....

How come guys that whole Italy community is run by this company?

btw. that part on wave VIII and veterans released same time made my day

Wait a minute....you wanna tell me that all your store championships were organized by this Giochi Uniti company?

If no, what prevented you from using wave 8? Here in Poland stores wave availablity was called by TOs. If i recall corretly we had one store ~week after W8 release that had it legal, while a TO week or two later said W8 is not yet legal there....

How come guys that whole Italy community is run by this company?

btw. that part on wave VIII and veterans released same time made my day

Giochi Uniti is in charge of organized game and to lessen their loss to foreign distribuition they labelled Wave 8 illegal until it will be published in Italian by them. Since they are the ones providing store championship package LGS has to compy to their policy in order to obtain ones.

Giochi Uniti also ****** up store championship assignment, awarding store championships to LGS which had never host an xwing tournament before and ended up with messy game experience and regional's bye assigned to winners of 10 men tournaments.

Giochi Uniti also didn't give a Regional to the city of Rome (where there's a huge xwing community, last national top 4 had 3 players from Rome out of 4) nor to the Umbrian community which is also big and active.

We had small tournament with wave 8, but they weren't really good testing ground. Firstly because not all the players had wave 8 stuff (some prefer to only buy products in Italian), but also because with the ongoing store championship season some players just kept playing older stuff because the need to practice for those events. They also were mostly local and small tournament, so they weren't as good practice as 40+ players tournaments

Sorry to hear about that, clearly not an ideal situation with a huge event like the Systems Open championship coming up.

I would point out though that the Yavin System Open pre-emptively banned the Imperial Veterans pack from being used - OK, it may not have been officially released in time for the event anyway, but if Wave 8 has not officially been released in Italy yet surely that would amount to the same thing?

Difficult situation either way, really.

wow and there are thousands of players out there upset they don't have Imp Vets yet ... They need to quit complaining and read this

Let the spanish and polish players bring their jumpmasters and what not.
I will gladly rend them asunder, one by one. Even with my old Wave 7 ships.

On a more serious note: at least for me this isn't that big of a problem.
If I wanted to play Wave 8 ships to get to know them, I would have bought them in some way.
The excuse 'we won't know how to counter them because they are not legal in our country due to distribution issues' isn't valid, because the ships are available anyway, and no-one forbids test matches, even with proxies.

all the Italian player that are going to play at the SoS are coming with 0 serious experience against Jumpsters, new aces and all the most recent shenanigans.

My main question is "is it too late to book a flight to Italy?"

all the Italian player that are going to play at the SoS are coming with 0 serious experience against Jumpsters, new aces and all the most recent shenanigans.

My main question is "is it too late to book a flight to Italy?"

Nope, you still have one week and... a couple of days.

Sorry to hear about that, clearly not an ideal situation with a huge event like the Systems Open championship coming up.

I would point out though that the Yavin System Open pre-emptively banned the Imperial Veterans pack from being used - OK, it may not have been officially released in time for the event anyway, but if Wave 8 has not officially been released in Italy yet surely that would amount to the same thing?

Difficult situation either way, really.

As I said I'm not calling for making them illegal: I'd rather keep open series integrity allowing them even if this means that the Italians going to "our" open will be slightly disadvantaged

Let the spanish and polish players bring their jumpmasters and what not.

I will gladly rend them asunder, one by one. Even with my old Wave 7 ships.

On a more serious note: at least for me this isn't that big of a problem.

If I wanted to play Wave 8 ships to get to know them, I would have bought them in some way.

The excuse 'we won't know how to counter them because they are not legal in our country due to distribution issues' isn't valid, because the ships are available anyway, and no-one forbids test matches, even with proxies.

The issue is that it wasn't legal for meaningful tournament: testing ships with your mates is way different than bringing them to a 30+ players environment

The issue isn't that players couldn't get them if they wanted, most of who wanted wave 8 ships already have got them.

The issue is that it wasn't legal for meaningful tournament: testing ships with your mates is way different than bringing them to a 30+ players environment

And tell me.. how many tournaments did we have this year with 30+ players? Modena Play? What else?

I agree that competitive play is not the same thing as to have friendly matches with friends but ehm... ships don't magically increase their attack/dodge values in one case or the other, you get me?

If it were the case of Wave 8 being available at the SOS I (and many others, I guess) would have spent much more time getting the new ships and practicing them.

Wave 8 will be legal at sos. I don't know if it is ffg or giochi uniti call.

I can only speak about my local meta: we had an almost 40 men store championship and a 25 one and I'm sure that if lots of players wouldn't have been burned off by playing the same ships since our national (almost an year ago) attendance would have been even greater.

While stats don't change xwing ain't a game where only stats matter

I live in Italy and I have stopped to buy italian products after the first expansion pack.

I do not want to wait until translation is over (this happened until one year ago)

I do prefer the english text: doubtless

I hate translations mistakes (y-wing pilot for example)

But I do not use to play competitive, so...

wow thats ass.

usually if theres a huge delay in a country getting something its either Aussy or some obscure random country with barely any size ive never heard of before lol. Italy isnt really either of those.

That sounds awful!

What does? the original posters predicament or moving to the USA. (Or is it the volume of cookies in America that you find most disturbing?)

That is a very sorry state of affairs. I'm sure ffg aren't happy about thier product not being available for sale and thus are quite likely to do something for the future. That aside, I'd say enjoy the one last tournement you can before u-boat spam hits full time!

Well, funny thing is, the Opens were previously planned and the Italian one just happens to be in 8 days.
If that had to take place earlier this month....well I'll leave it to you....

I hope they lose a lot of money.