Just looking on the face book page of one of the shops running one of the UK regonials they have finally got confirmation from FFG that a regonials bye is 8-2. Took a long time coming........
Someone finally has confirmation on the value of a regonial bye
.... Unless of course, you're using a version of the TOME system that awards it as a 9-1 and gives you no option to change it.
Just looking on the face book page of one of the shops running one of the UK regonials they have finally got confirmation from FFG that a regonials bye is 8-2. Took a long time coming........
I mean... The tournament rules did say it was an 8-2. Really the only argument against that value afaik is the bug in TOME, which (again, afaik) is not authoritative.
/sigh. . . I hate that bug. . . In Tacoma, it would of meant that I would of. Gone against someone who actually had a 9 where as everyone else who had an 8/bye would have had to slog it between themselves. . . . I would not of faced ArmadaJim, and I could have won or gotten a better placement /sigh
It actually might of changed dozens of results over every tournament that used TOME.
If I was in a regonal and they used the 9-1 against the official rules and that 1 point had completely changed how I was placed, (if it had removed me from the last two cut, or if it was a basic structure competition and placed me second and not first) I would put in a formal complaint.
If it just meant I played a couple of different people I would do as Elsa does.....
Is that unreasonable ?
Playing different players means different outcomes. ArmadaJim for instance ended on 19 tournament points and 16 MOV points ahead of me placing him at 8th place. He got a 9-1 bye, so without the extra point he would of been at 18 points even if we had still played and the results were the same while I would of been at 19. That would of placed him in around 10th-11th place.
ArmadaJim came into the tournament prepped against my list. He commanded his list beautifully and I made mistakes. However, if I never player him, I could of ended possibly at 26 to 28 points which was well ahead of the 25 of the tournament Victor (who also used his bye)
So in the end there is a difference but only an alternate reality where TOME works properly knows
Yeah, I believe our TO was using TOME for our San Antonio Regional event, and had the common sense to stop using it because it was giving bye's the 9-1. So he whipped up an excel spreadsheet and ran scoring that way. Pretty sure it would have had some more dramatic effect otherwise given that a select few who used their bye did not place in the top 8.
It just keeps reaffirming my faith in Cryodex. I love that program. I can run a tournament with virtually little management on that thing.
It frustrates me to hear that in other communities the rules have not been consistent. I feel blessed that our community goes by the book on rules and such, and works discrepancies out very efficiently. I guess it helps having a community made up of mostly military and averaging 1-2 Armada Tournaments a month.
Cryodex has one problem I have seen. It pairs people with the same tournament points by MoV. It is actually supposed to be random.
That is a minor issue, and I think the newest update fixed that. Though I may be wrong.
A minor issue? it was mispairing players, which is its main function
A minor issue? it was mispairing players, which is its main function
Right, but it was pairing players who were eligible to be paired anyway.
Yes, it's a problem, but it's pretty minor compared to, for example, assigning the wrong score to a player for a bye.
A minor issue? it was mispairing players, which is its main function
Right, but it was pairing players who were eligible to be paired anyway.
Yes, it's a problem, but it's pretty minor compared to, for example, assigning the wrong score to a player for a bye.
In my case, no.
I got paired with people who were supposed to be 8's when I was a 9.
Oh, that is what we are discussing. . . I am so confused on to who is talking about what now.
I was at a regional with 9 SC byes and missed out on top 16 by 1 point, with 9 people with 1 extra point because of TOME that (other than my awful dice) is what just pushed me out 
A bye is 8 pts, MoV 129.
I was at a regional with 9 SC byes and missed out on top 16 by 1 point, with 9 people with 1 extra point because of TOME that (other than my awful dice) is what just pushed me out
If that one point effected your position and the prize your received make a formal complaint to the TO then FFG, is as much a rules breach as someone bringing and playing an illegal list.
I was at a regional with 9 SC byes and missed out on top 16 by 1 point, with 9 people with 1 extra point because of TOME that (other than my awful dice) is what just pushed me out
If that one point effected your position and the prize your received make a formal complaint to the TO then FFG, is as much a rules breach as someone bringing and playing an illegal list.
Unfortunately, it is not.
As TOME is FFG's official software.
I was at a regional with 9 SC byes and missed out on top 16 by 1 point, with 9 people with 1 extra point because of TOME that (other than my awful dice) is what just pushed me out
If that one point effected your position and the prize your received make a formal complaint to the TO then FFG, is as much a rules breach as someone bringing and playing an illegal list.
Unfortunately, it is not.
As TOME is FFG's official software.
Are TOME results authoritative, though? That is, if TOME results conflict with the rules laid out in the Tournament Regs or the documents supplied with the tourney kit, don't the written rules take precedence?
Legitimately asking because I've never seen the documentation that's provided with tourney kits, because I stay away from TOing.
I was at a regional with 9 SC byes and missed out on top 16 by 1 point, with 9 people with 1 extra point because of TOME that (other than my awful dice) is what just pushed me out
If that one point effected your position and the prize your received make a formal complaint to the TO then FFG, is as much a rules breach as someone bringing and playing an illegal list.
Unfortunately, it is not.
As TOME is FFG's official software.
Are TOME results authoritative, though? That is, if TOME results conflict with the rules laid out in the Tournament Regs or the documents supplied with the tourney kit, don't the written rules take precedence?
Legitimately asking because I've never seen the documentation that's provided with tourney kits, because I stay away from TOing.
There is no information on the documents supplied with the tournament kits (at least, not the Seasonals).
And the only statement I've had from people with access to TOME itself is that "FFG Prefers those who are able to use TOME to use it."
Plus, it does its own thing with Strength of Schedule.
Beyond that, I don't know, either... But its is something that is provided by FFG, preferred by FFG, and despite sending multiple emails and requests in regards to the Store Champs/Regional Byes since the issue became an issue day one...... I have heard no response. Even as an "FFG OP Retailer"