I've noticed that some who hate Rebels because it's not like the Original Trilogy, are the same people who hate The Force Awakens because it's a lot like A New Hope.

imho, it falls short because it rehashes too many main points from the OT and uses animations that range from good to mediocre.

Where would Rebels fit?

A solid 5 on Keffisch's Subjective Scale of CG animation.

What would be your ten?

Tough call. I am torn between Apleseed Alpha and Space Pirate Captain Harlock.

Those are full-lengths though but for a recent series, I'd say Netflix's Knights of Sydonia (the cell shading takes some getting used to but man, those animations). For very old stuff I'd say Roughnecks: Starship Trooper Chronicles, it has not aged well but when it came out (late 90s iirc) it was top-notch.

To further elaborate on my comment on Rebels' rehash of the OT.

Young kid runs away to become a jedi.

Finds a crass alien brute, a charming roguish fellow that takes him under his wing and a stern and capable woman.

Now where have we seen that before..

Harlock I'll give you on animation, especially the smoke effects. You're getting nothing for the story, which was about as good as the plot of the 3D Startroopers anime remake.

"What do we sail for!?! . . . . FOR FREEEDOM!!!", "I loved my sister, but hated my brother; and now she loves him more than me.... soraticide time.", "Teh Earth was destroyed all along, but there are flowers so it's o.k.."

(Plus the dear Captain is the Maryyiest of all O.P. Sues. Nothing even scratched that ship because they always had more lasers or a hidden jump drive.")

Knights of Sidonia had a fair story, executed nicely. (Young boy is trained by the old master, old master dies and the boy akwardly finds his place as the sole hero of his people while an evil-cause-I'm-evil villain tries to steal his glory and the magic girl he fell in love with." Where have we seen this before? )

The animation was pretty good effects-wise, and they did a really cool thing with their 2D-3D look.

However, they do do the shaky-cam-flash-movement thing in the fight scenes, and the character movement does the "non-speaking-characters-are-twitchy-statues" thing that most anime does to save animation time.

Here's a nice test to see if the "animation" is good or not: watch it with the volume muted. (And no subtitles, cheater. ) If you are intrigued by the character action (Fights don't count.) without even without knowing what the words are, it's good animation.

(Edit. To contrast.)

The Holy Trinity, where the characters who make comments about the Jedi being extinct

"Now the Jedi are all but extinct".

You've broken with the faith, brother. I sentence you to three viewings of A New Hope to get your mind right.

To counter your point generally, lets go back to the ARC-170, a prequel ship therefore unlikely to be have been made had it not featured for the briefest of cameos in... You guessed it: Rebels.

Wait, there are actually people who think that the barely-noticeable cameo of a wrecked ARC in Rebels is why it's being included in X-Wing?

To counter your point generally, lets go back to the ARC-170, a prequel ship therefore unlikely to be have been made had it not featured for the briefest of cameos in... You guessed it: Rebels.

Wait, there are actually people who think that the barely-noticeable cameo of a wrecked ARC in Rebels is why it's being included in X-Wing?

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Honestly the only thing I don't like about the ships from Rebels is how factory fresh they look. Particularly the Ghost. That ship is running from scrape to scrape and the model looks like it just got back from the paint shop. Where's the wear and tear a ship of rebels should show?

It's the second biggest reason I probably won't buy the Shadowcaster. First being that I do not play Scum.

Also, have you WATCHED Rebels?

I have, and this is probably part of the problem. The quality of writing is barely above prequel level, and the show has a decidedly childish tone, despite occasionally trying to pretend it is darker. I mean, Bambi kills off the main character's mom. Characters occasionally dying doesn't suddenly make something adult in nature, nor adult in tone.

Rebels feels very gimmicky too, with a pre-teen protagonist, a brightly colored teenage girl Boba Fett, double bladed lightsabers, and suddenly a green "hilted" lightsaber, and helicopter lightsabers, and purple talking Chewbacca, sentient space whales, and the fact that it is set five years before the original film, but features a half dozen Jedi/Inquisitor characters flitting around. Then it even dredged up Half Maul, which was a bad idea in The Clone Wars (which had a character with two double bladed lightsabers, lol), let alone bringing him back... again.

It's just a very low quality, low-rent Star Wars for children. You could argue that Star Wars was always for children, and we can agree to disagree, but the average plot of a Rebels episode makes the Ewoks seem fairly serious.

Wow. Shame you don't like Rebels. I say Shame because I enjoy it tremendously, and I wish for your sake, that you enjoyed it as much as I do. But criticizing it as gimmicky because of things like the green hilted lightsaber, aren't fair. Something that's briefly in ONE episode doesn't constitute the body of the show. Still, you have your opinion and that's perfectly ok.

Why I LOVE rebels?

1) At first it seemed like a kids show. I stuck with it though and was rewarded. Here's a show that is ramping up constantly, delivering more and more powerhouse episodes all the time. It just keeps getting better and better.

2) Ships. There are a lot of new ships showing up in Rebels. It's a great way to get a preview on something that may show up in one of the games I play (X-Wing, Armada etc).

3) People. It's also a great way for them to introduce or re-introduce new canon. Rumors of Thrawn showing up next season for example.

4) Ezra and Kanaan. And this is a BIG one. Their relationship, to me is an apology for the prequels. It is what the prequels SHOULD have been. When you watch Obi Wan tell Luke about his father, and their relationship.... you imagined certain things. You imagined that Obi Wan found Anakin, and was amazed at his potential. You imagine that they were good friends. You imagine that Obi-Wan took it upon himself to train Anakin as a Jedi, that he assumed he'd be able to train him well, but he fails. Soooooo much of those assumptions were effectively erased by the prequels. But watching Ezra and Kanaan, it is as-if I am watching Obi Wan and Anakin. This is how the prequel story SHOULD have been. I love it.

#4 is also about Parallels. There are other parallels shown in Rebels as well, such as similarities to The Force Awakens and other throwbacks which are very appealing.

My main complaint is that they ruined ALOT of season 2 for me with their HUGE MEGA-SPOILER TEASER. Please guys, if you are reading this, don't release a teasre for season 3 that shows us stuff from the mid-season finale. I don't want to see Anything from the end, before I watch the beginning. Limit the teaser to the first 3 episodes or less please.

But criticizing it as gimmicky because of things like the green hilted lightsaber, aren't fair. Something that's briefly in ONE episode doesn't constitute the body of the show.

idk

the only bad thing about ffg's ghost is the atrocious paint scheme. even the stand's not bad

havn't heard anyone hate on the inquisitor, for example (probably because he's a beast)

Ironically, you're see a lot more annoyance with the Inquisitor among fans of the Rebels show than among X-Wing Miniatures fans (A lot of people weren't fond of him dying so early in the show).

I certainly wasn't. The numbers squad tidy followed was a lot less interesting.

The Seventh Sister felt like a complete waste of great voice acting.

It's hilarious how quickly the show offed them. Inquisitors confirmed to never stay around for more than one season.

If it makes you feel better they are confirmed still being around after Sidious dies for the 1st time. In sw uprising it appears even normal imperials are happy to see inquisitors die.

4) Ezra and Kanaan. And this is a BIG one. Their relationship, to me is an apology for the prequels. It is what the prequels SHOULD have been. When you watch Obi Wan tell Luke about his father, and their relationship.... you imagined certain things. You imagined that Obi Wan found Anakin, and was amazed at his potential. You imagine that they were good friends. You imagine that Obi-Wan took it upon himself to train Anakin as a Jedi, that he assumed he'd be able to train him well, but he fails. Soooooo much of those assumptions were effectively erased by the prequels. But watching Ezra and Kanaan, it is as-if I am watching Obi Wan and Anakin. This is how the prequel story SHOULD have been. I love it.

This is big for me. I feel we're getting the real story of how someone with the perfect background that should make them the ideal good guy, someone who has good training and wants to do the right thing... can fall. Watching the S2 finale I was saddened but at the edge of my seat with Ezra's arc. We're seeing him have to struggle with the pull of the darkside, without being warned how easy it is to fall or with all of the things the Jedi council put in place. Anakin felt like he almost knowling ran to the Dark Side cause he just needed MORE power, but Ezra's slipping slope feels organic, feels raw. You almost relate to why he's slipping, and it makes the story that much more captivating. Kanan didn't want to train Ezra, he didn't want to join the rebellion, he didn't want to have to stand for something, but over two seasons we're seeing him start to understand that he's gotta come out of the shadows. Ezra started wanting to take over the world and we're watching him slip. We're seeing the person who wanted to be forgotten having to stand up and be a hero, and the person who wanted to be the hero slowly turning into a villain. THAT'S a story I want to watch.

I didn't really enjoy Rebels to start with but was watching anything/everything I could in the lead-up to TFA and it was ok as background viewing but it really hit it's stride towards the end of season 1 and then, for me personally, the opening and ending of Season 2 were just awesome. Both episodes contained scenes that were on par with anything I saw in the prequels or TFA. Vader attacking the fleet in "The Siege of Lothal" was an awesome scene no matter how you cut it.

If you go into it expecting more than a predominantly kids/young adult show, you might be disappointed but if you enjoy it for a delightfully light Star Wars fix, it's pretty awesome.

and tell me this wasn't an awesome moment.

and tell me this wasn't an awesome moment.

Some noname nobody and Darth motherloving Vader

and this some noname gets away due to sudden plot armour.

v_v

But criticizing it as gimmicky because of things like the green hilted lightsaber, aren't fair. Something that's briefly in ONE episode doesn't constitute the body of the show.

Which is why I gave almost a dozen examples over multiple episodes, lol.

most of your examples were from the season 2 finale actually.

Some noname nobody and Darth motherloving Vader

and this some noname gets away due to sudden plot armour.

v_v

You mean, possibly the last Padawan in the galaxy after the purge meeting with the being responsible for seeing the Jedi and Padawan hunted down?

Yup, made NO sense.

Don't disagree with the plot armor comment.

But criticizing it as gimmicky because of things like the green hilted lightsaber, aren't fair. Something that's briefly in ONE episode doesn't constitute the body of the show.

Which is why I gave almost a dozen examples over multiple episodes, lol.

most of your examples were from the season 2 finale actually.

Helicopter lightsabers and Half Maul. Two. You're as bad at math as you are at story analysis, lol.

Some noname nobody and Darth motherloving Vader

and this some noname gets away due to sudden plot armour.

v_v

You mean, possibly the last Padawan in the galaxy after the purge meeting with the being responsible for seeing the Jedi and Padawan hunted down?

Yup, made NO sense.

Don't disagree with the plot armor comment.

I thought the timing of the former Jedi coming out to fight Vader was pretty awesome. I dunno....it didn't feel too contrived to me. I was just blown away by the Ashoka / Vader fight.

Some noname nobody and Darth motherloving Vader

and this some noname gets away due to sudden plot armour.

v_v

You mean, possibly the last Padawan in the galaxy after the purge meeting with the being responsible for seeing the Jedi and Padawan hunted down?

Yup, made NO sense.

Don't disagree with the plot armor comment.

I thought the timing of the former Jedi coming out to fight Vader was pretty awesome. I dunno....it didn't feel too contrived to me. I was just blown away by the Ashoka / Vader fight.

I had almost forgotten that Vader's former Padawan - "the one that got away" - was also there.

Totally makes no sense for Vader to be there.

(...)

I still can't get past how cartooney looking the main characters are. All the secondary characters look really good with interesting faces. The main crew of the Ghost is just so flat and uninteresting. Compare Ezra to Hondo in this image:

Hondo is interesting, has depth and character, while Ezra is just smooth and nothing other than a little shading. I don't know why Disney keeps the leads so intentionally bland.

Maybe to make it easier for kids to project themselves onto the main leads.

Maybe, but I think kids appreciate fully developed characters as well. My hunch is to save a boat-load of money.

and tell me this wasn't an awesome moment.

You suppose Vader has the X1 & adv. targeting computer upgrades on there?

But criticizing it as gimmicky because of things like the green hilted lightsaber, aren't fair. Something that's briefly in ONE episode doesn't constitute the body of the show.

Which is why I gave almost a dozen examples over multiple episodes, lol.

most of your examples were from the season 2 finale actually.

Helicopter lightsabers and Half Maul. Two. You're as bad at math as you are at story analysis, lol.

Cross guard saber, and 6(half a dozen) jedi/inquisitors which were also in the finale also, but it doesn't matter. if you are going to start slinging insults then there is little point to continue a dialogue.

As a huge Lando Calrissian fan, I have really enjoyed his cameos. Mostly because of all the forced cameos he makes sense and I love how much Kanan effing hates the guy.

I also love how they keep you guessing if he's helping them or swindling them.

The answer of course, is yes! :-)

To counter your point generally, lets go back to the ARC-170, a prequel ship therefore unlikely to be have been made had it not featured for the briefest of cameos in... You guessed it: Rebels.

Wait, there are actually people who think that the barely-noticeable cameo of a wrecked ARC in Rebels is why it's being included in X-Wing?

Seeing as the designers actually said they weren't going to do prequel ships and we have had no other prequel ships, I'd say that's a pretty likely reason.

See also: the Interdictor for Armada

I've noticed that some who hate Rebels because it's not like the Original Trilogy, are the same people who hate The Force Awakens because it's a lot like A New Hope.

This. Spot-on. It's the reverse of what happened with The Phantom Menace - people came out of the theatres claiming it was wonderful, that the magic was back, and that it was AWESOME... and two weeks later they woke up and realized just how badly they'd been deluding themselves, and have decided to hate everything in Star Wars that is not the Original Trilogy.

Kinda sad, really. Locked away in their tight little safe spaces, unable to touch that magic which once made them smile at space wizards with laser swords, bitterly clutching to their hate like a blanket...

I have, and this is probably part of the problem. The quality of writing is barely above prequel level, and the show has a decidedly childish tone, despite occasionally trying to pretend it is darker. I mean, Bambi kills off the main character's mom. Characters occasionally dying doesn't suddenly make something adult in nature, nor adult in tone.

Rebels feels very gimmicky too, with a pre-teen protagonist, a brightly colored teenage girl Boba Fett, double bladed lightsabers, and suddenly a green "hilted" lightsaber, and helicopter lightsabers, and purple talking Chewbacca, sentient space whales, and the fact that it is set five years before the original film, but features a half dozen Jedi/Inquisitor characters flitting around. Then it even dredged up Half Maul, which was a bad idea in The Clone Wars (which had a character with two double bladed lightsabers, lol), let alone bringing him back... again.

It's just a very low quality, low-rent Star Wars for children. You could argue that Star Wars was always for children, and we can agree to disagree, but the average plot of a Rebels episode makes the Ewoks seem fairly serious.

...Like VaeVictis here. By the way, I count 4 influences from the Season 2 finale here. Green-hilted sabers, helicopter sabres, multiple Inquisitors, and half-Maul - which I thought was dumb too until he started teaching the Sith Code to Ezra on the sly. Well played, story writer.

So sentient space whales are somehow sillier than space wizards with laser swords? Are you suggesting that Bubba Feets somehow went from awkward clone kid to full "badass" (in quotes, because he did nothing in the "Holy Trinity" but pose and die) instantly? And that the purple monkey-man original concept art for Chewbacca, that was scrapped only because the costume would have been too expensive, isn't good enough to be used again?

What IS high-quality Star Wars, to you? Because the Original Trilogy is chock-full of dumb moments and low-rent writing and acting - why didn't the Death Star just blow up Yavin? Certainly can't be the EU, what with Crystal Star, Corran "Would making my middle name Marisuu be too obvious?" Horn, the entire Vong arc, and so much bad writing. SO MUCH BAD WRITING. Certainly can't be the prequels, for obvious reasons.

So, high quality Star Wars to you is..?

Some noname nobody and Darth motherloving Vader

and this some noname gets away due to sudden plot armour.

v_v

When two characters with plot armor collide, they bounce off each other with minor scrapes. I wouldn't say that it was a 'sudden' case of plot armor, as Ezra's the main character of the series and has had it from the start. That's also why it's hard to call him 'noname' as in this case, he IS the Thief With a Heart of Gold, and Darth Vader is a guest star Big Bad.

Also, Ezra'd just been introduced to the Dark Side, and we all know that it's like any drug - the strongest the first time you take it, and weaker every time you use it afterwards.

And the thing for me is that those episodes were really wrapping up Clone Wars in the best possible way - we know that Anakin couldn't've killed Ahsoka leading up to Ep III, we know that she walked away from the Order later on, and it gives more impact to the story if there's a time jump where both Ahsoka and Anakin have to come to terms with what he has become: a monster.

You see that moment in the finale.

And you see Anakin realize and reject it.

To counter your point generally, lets go back to the ARC-170, a prequel ship therefore unlikely to be have been made had it not featured for the briefest of cameos in... You guessed it: Rebels.

Wait, there are actually people who think that the barely-noticeable cameo of a wrecked ARC in Rebels is why it's being included in X-Wing?

Seeing as the designers actually said they weren't going to do prequel ships and we have had no other prequel ships, I'd say that's a pretty likely reason.

See also: the Interdictor for Armada

The Interdictor was the subject of an entire episode though.

It's extremely unlikely the very brief appearance of an ARC-170 in an abandoned clone base is why the ship's in X-Wing.