I've really struggled with this for a long time. Can someone explain why there is so much hate for ships taken from Star Wars Rebels for being a "children's cartoon" when all of my memories of Expanded Universe books were fellow nerd kids reading books while waiting for the bus in fourth grade? How one gets dismissed as less-than and childish while the other as "adult" and "more worthy" blows my mind.

Also, have you WATCHED Rebels? Other than the obligatory whiney teen (reminder that Luke was this role in ANH) and the weird obsession with impractical light sabers that Lucasfilm has been obsessed with since Darth Maul's was such a hit (The spinning helicopter sabers have got to go) the show is actually very entertaining with very few "filler episodes" which seemed to plague The Clone Wars. Kanan's comic series is also one of the stronger ones of the new line and a great companion piece.

Plus the majority of the art-design is off of the original Ralph Mcquarrie concept art with the more rapier-styled lightsabers and stylized Darth Vader mask which is a fun look at what Star Wars could have looked like. (Zeb is even an early concept design for what Wookies would become)

And the space battles are fun with some great A-wing love. (Featuring the new Fang Fighters)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgpRqinEvIk

I'm not saying you have to love it, but the majority of the people rolling their eyes at ships taken from SW: Rebels seem to have dismissed it has not worth their time having never given it a chance.

Rebels is a fine show, but I hate their ship sizes. I roll my eyes at the Shadowcaster's model (and not rules - the moving arc is intriguing) because it's the size of the Ghost and I have yet to play a game with a Ghost in which it didn't fall off at least once.

Talk about size creep.

It's mostly just people nostalgic for old stuff sour over new stuff they didn't experience first-hand.

idk

the only bad thing about ffg's ghost is the atrocious paint scheme. even the stand's not bad

havn't heard anyone hate on the inquisitor, for example (probably because he's a beast)

Rebels is a fine show, but I hate their ship sizes. I roll my eyes at the Shadowcaster's model (and not rules - the moving arc is intriguing) because it's the size of the Ghost and I have yet to play a game with a Ghost in which it didn't fall off at least once.

Talk about size creep.

I still am a little baffled that they only had 1 peg on the cradle. Would if have really hurt the ship that much to have 3 pegs? I agree that the cradle stand really isn't high quality. I actually feel like a lot of the newer ship stands seem to be made at a lower quality than they used to be? Maybe that's just my experience but even the little pegs seem to fit worse than the first ships i bought.

idk

the only bad thing about ffg's ghost is the atrocious paint scheme. even the stand's not bad

havn't heard anyone hate on the inquisitor, for example (probably because he's a beast)

Ironically, you're see a lot more annoyance with the Inquisitor among fans of the Rebels show than among X-Wing Miniatures fans (A lot of people weren't fond of him dying so early in the show).

idk

the only bad thing about ffg's ghost is the atrocious paint scheme. even the stand's not bad

havn't heard anyone hate on the inquisitor, for example (probably because he's a beast)

Ironically, you're see a lot more annoyance with the Inquisitor among fans of the Rebels show than among X-Wing Miniatures fans (A lot of people weren't fond of him dying so early in the show).

I certainly wasn't. The numbers squad tidy followed was a lot less interesting.

idk

the only bad thing about ffg's ghost is the atrocious paint scheme. even the stand's not bad

havn't heard anyone hate on the inquisitor, for example (probably because he's a beast)

Ironically, you're see a lot more annoyance with the Inquisitor among fans of the Rebels show than among X-Wing Miniatures fans (A lot of people weren't fond of him dying so early in the show).

I certainly wasn't. The numbers squad tidy followed was a lot less interesting.

The Seventh Sister felt like a complete waste of great voice acting.

It's hilarious how quickly the show offed them. Inquisitors confirmed to never stay around for more than one season.

I don't think there's a hate for Rebels ships per se. There's more a disdain towards the fact that only ships featured in Rebels or TFA can make the cut.

Take the ARC-170. It's a good enough ship in its own right but it could only go into X-Wing after a cameo on Rebels.

Well, the inquisitor TIE is OK, the fact that the outer surface of the wings is grey and not covered with solar panels feels a little odd to me.
The Ghost I find disgutsting; an ugly cartoonish space space brick with an awful color scheme.
As for the shuttle, it's sufficiently "basic" in desing so that I can't argue against that, visually speaking. The fact that it is underpriced and has the fire power of an X-wing is more disturbing; maybe they really wanted to be sure to sell every one of those Ghost boxes, after all 5yo got theirs?

The show itself is pityful; annoying jedi-kid, super B-wing, helisabers, space whales, lighsabers and kung fu jedi/sith everywhere, pink girly mandalorian... Even technically, it is bad quality (those animations and textures, ouch!). It's Disney Channel material, aimed at less than 10yo public. In principle, X-wing game is not the same public, and that explains the "hate" (I would say "dislike"). A lot of players are old fans, raised with the old EU and x-wing computer game series, and they want more of that (who said XG1?).

(but anyway, I must admit that the last episode with Ezra and Maul was 100 times better than all the interaction between Palp and Anakin in the prelogy ^^)

I don't get it myself. It's a perfectly fine show.

Also, have you WATCHED Rebels?

I have, and this is probably part of the problem. The quality of writing is barely above prequel level, and the show has a decidedly childish tone, despite occasionally trying to pretend it is darker. I mean, Bambi kills off the main character's mom. Characters occasionally dying doesn't suddenly make something adult in nature, nor adult in tone.

Rebels feels very gimmicky too, with a pre-teen protagonist, a brightly colored teenage girl Boba Fett, double bladed lightsabers, and suddenly a green "hilted" lightsaber, and helicopter lightsabers, and purple talking Chewbacca, sentient space whales, and the fact that it is set five years before the original film, but features a half dozen Jedi/Inquisitor characters flitting around. Then it even dredged up Half Maul, which was a bad idea in The Clone Wars (which had a character with two double bladed lightsabers, lol), let alone bringing him back... again.

It's just a very low quality, low-rent Star Wars for children. You could argue that Star Wars was always for children, and we can agree to disagree, but the average plot of a Rebels episode makes the Ewoks seem fairly serious.

Man people really get up in arms that Sabine doesn't wear black and red.

Heaven forbid a character enjoy a wider array of colors than drabs and dirts.

Rebels is solid, but rarely great. Luckily season 2 was a major improvement on season 1, with the finale being genuinely some **** good entertainment with lots of character impact.

I don't think there's a hate for Rebels ships per se. There's more a disdain towards the fact that only ships featured in Rebels or TFA can make the cut.

Take the ARC-170. It's a good enough ship in its own right but it could only go into X-Wing after a cameo on Rebels.

Wait, the ARC-170 appeared in Rebels? I don't remember seeing it.

Rebels is solid, but rarely great. Luckily season 2 was a major improvement on season 1, with the finale being genuinely some **** good entertainment with lots of character impact.

I don't think there's a hate for Rebels ships per se. There's more a disdain towards the fact that only ships featured in Rebels or TFA can make the cut.

Take the ARC-170. It's a good enough ship in its own right but it could only go into X-Wing after a cameo on Rebels.

Wait, the ARC-170 appeared in Rebels? I don't remember seeing it.

In a hangar bay in the old derelict base.

Of course, stating that as the reason it's in XWMG is just... Silly.

A lot of fans experience their fandom mostly by defining what it isn't.

How one gets dismissed as less-than and childish while the other as "adult" and "more worthy" blows my mind.

Also, have you WATCHED Rebels?

Yes. And for anyone that hasn't watched all the way to the end of the first season, that complaint is completely valid.

Rebels is a dumb kids show for the majority of the first season. It's not anymore, but for anyone that didn't get that far because they don't LIKE dumb kids shows(which is completely valid), I forgive them for not being willing to stick with something they don't like, and not being aware that the show becomes something completely different later on.

The comment in here when Vader responds to Picard's question as to "What DOES count?" pretty much sums it up right there.

Starwars fans love to completely blockade anything from their precious story they dont like, whether its canon or not. Starwars Rebels is not "canon" because it isnt the trilogy, basically, so people hate it.

Which is pretty **** close-minded way to view your favorite series/show/movie. If you love it, you want more, its natural. Dont hate on everything that isnt 100% identical to the original.

Season 2 is the best Star Wars we've had for ages. I loved TFA, but personal preference puts season 2 above it for me (OT-era fanboy)

Same reason I feel I'll like Rogue One more, nostalgia strings being pulled.

Only thing I hate is that it's not on Netflix and I don't want to pay per episode on youtube.

I don't think there's a hate for Rebels ships per se. There's more a disdain towards the fact that only ships featured in Rebels or TFA can make the cut.

Take the ARC-170. It's a good enough ship in its own right but it could only go into X-Wing after a cameo on Rebels.

This sort of falls into the same logic as people complaining after the Rogue One trailer that only girls can now be leads of Star Wars movies. Two wave's focused heavily on Rebels content isn't the future, it's simply incorporating new property into the game, very similar to how the first couple waves after Scum and Villainy were introduced focus very heavily on Scum ships with less Rebel and Empire ships. At this point in the production the game will want to grab ships where it can and unlike Empire and Rebels, the S&V has less of a pool to grab from. (Since we never truly saw the Guavian Death Gang or Kanjiklub's ships.)

Rebels is a fine show, but I hate their ship sizes. I roll my eyes at the Shadowcaster's model (and not rules - the moving arc is intriguing) because it's the size of the Ghost and I have yet to play a game with a Ghost in which it didn't fall off at least once.

Talk about size creep.

I can't speak tot he physical size of the model, but according to wookiepedia, the shadowcaster is only 20m long compared to the ghost's 43. Now going by the render in the article and ht epictures, it looks bigger than 20m for x-wing (could be wikipedia is wrong, could be there's competing stats listed for it and the designers used a different one, or who knows), looks like a bit bigger than the other 20m-ish ships (punishing one, outrider, aggressor), but it doesn't look to be nearly the size of the Ghost to me. Looks wide, but not as long, and definitely not as fat (they didn't feel the need to make a custom peg for it...)

I like Rebels, and i don't even mind the prequels, but it feels weird to put them in X-wing. I don't know why the entire universe has to make it into x-wing -- why not make spinoff games for these others? I don't need 30 ships to choose from to play this game, 3-4 waves is fine. keep the game fresh through new cards and/or aces/veterans packs.

Only thing I hate is that it's not on Netflix and I don't want to pay per episode on youtube.

Well, season 1 is already out on Blu-Ray for about half the price of buying even a season pass online...I imagine season 2 will be following, shortly. So...easy enough to get.

I like Star Wars: Rebels even though I hate it.

I've watched a lot of the first season and a few episodes in season 2. It really came down to me reading the summaries online just so I know what is part of the new canon. The show itself wasn't really my thing (nor was Clone Wars). I'm not a huge fan of CGI cartoons and the villains really were not engaging enough. Tack on the clear pre-teen messages and I was like meh.

Which was the exact same reason I love it. My first movie in theaters was the digitally remastered New Hope. I loved it. I was too young to get why my dad was upset with a specific scene in the cantina. I just saw a kickass movie. Now here I am playing X-wing, talking Star Wars with people. Star Wars is one of the reasons I m an engineer.

Star Wars Rebels is a great way to introduce new folks into the franchise. It's great that a movie made in 1977 has made this big of an impact and is still amazing today. I want more people to like Star Wars because it's a great fandom to be in.

So bring on the SW: Rebel Ships, my unadulterated XXX squadrons will be more than a match for them (Probably not but man does it feel great to fly with Rogue Squadron)