Another option for the V-Wing dial would be leaving the Green 2-turns on the dial, but dropping the 3-turns entirely.

I've been thinking about the Gunboat - it might be a good place to put an Imperial support pilot.

"At the beginning of the combat phase any friendly ship within 1-2 with pilot skill 3 or lower may increase their pilot skill by 1,then assign a focus token to that ship."

*edit for clarification

An adjusted dial might be along these lines.

Which is, without a doubt, magnitudes stronger than what I originally proposed.

With the changes also implemented on the pilot cards, they would look something like this.

Then the two titles would show the two different ways we have seen V-Wings deployed.

That's a dial i can more get behind. However, i think it should be a little more... unique? maybe make the 3 speed stuff the greens? that'd make it's play style a little more unique and faster than most, while still making it possible to do arc-dodgy stuff. Also, having all the greens at speed 2 does make unhinged really, really good on the V-Wing, definitely too good. We should be encouraging the usage of the Q7s, since the Alpha-3 Nimbus-class REQUIRED the use of the Q7. So, i think the Alpha-3 title should be restricted to the Q7 astromechs.

I don't, however, think we should go out of our way to avoid a ship that likes PTL. PTL isn't a cause, it's a symptom. For a ship like this, which relies on movement and defense, no other card in the game gives it that potential to survive as PTL. The V-Wing is inherently a defensive ship, so unless we give the V-Wing options that surpass PTL as an option to help it stay alive, PTL should naturally be it's pick for EPTs. Trying to force the V-Wing to pick something other than PTL will only lead to a significantly underpowered ship, because the only way to do that is to limit it's dial or action bar. The V-Wing, by sheer nature of it's stat line, must rely on it's actions and mobility to survive, which is most efficiently carried out by PTL.

The only way to prevent the use of PTL is to offer a better option, which is not carried out by making the ship worse, but by making an upgrade card that makes PTL unnecessary.

This may persuade me to give Vassal a go.

Ok a go at some V wing Pilots

Submission Form: Pilot

Author: Storgar

Pilot Name: Tarquin Zian

Ship: V Wing

Faction: Scum

Pilot Skill: 5

Ability text: You may drop a mine token after executing a red maneuver.

EPT (Y):

Cost: 19

Design notes: none

Submission Form: Pilot

Author: Storgar

Pilot Name: Karl Mathieu Ancher

Ship: V Wing

Faction: Scum

Pilot Skill: 8

Ability text: You may perform the boost action with the 1 or 2 templates.

EPT (Y):

Cost: 23

Design notes: none

Another option for the V-Wing dial would be leaving the Green 2-turns on the dial, but dropping the 3-turns entirely.

I've been thinking about the Gunboat - it might be a good place to put an Imperial support pilot.

OR even if the pilot ability read:

"At the beginning of the combat phase any friendly ship within 1-2 with pilot skill 3 or lower may increase their pilot skill by 1,then assign a focus token to that ship."

*edit for clarification

Based on the ideas of you two:

Ok a go at some V wing Pilots

Submission Form: Pilot

Author: Storgar

Pilot Name: Tarquin Zian

Ship: V Wing

Faction: Scum

Pilot Skill: 5

Ability text: You may drop a mine token after executing a red maneuver.

EPT (Y):

Cost: 19

Design notes: none

Submission Form: Pilot

Author: Storgar

Pilot Name: Karl Mathieu Ancher

Ship: V Wing

Faction: Scum

Pilot Skill: 8

Ability text: You may perform the boost action with the 1 or 2 templates.

EPT (Y):

Cost: 23

Design notes: none

Sorry man, but bombs were just taken off the V-Wing's upgrade bar.

Also, both of these pilots are overcosted by about 2 points. For example, my PS9 V-Wing pilot is 22 points. My PS7 pilot is 20 points.

Also also, this isn't the thread for submissions. This is.

Ok a go at some V wing Pilots

Submission Form: Pilot

Author: Storgar

Pilot Name: Tarquin Zian

Ship: V Wing

Faction: Scum

Pilot Skill: 5

Ability text: You may drop a mine token after executing a red maneuver.

EPT (Y):

Cost: 19

Design notes: none

Submission Form: Pilot

Author: Storgar

Pilot Name: Karl Mathieu Ancher

Ship: V Wing

Faction: Scum

Pilot Skill: 8

Ability text: You may perform the boost action with the 1 or 2 templates.

EPT (Y):

Cost: 23

Design notes: none

Sorry man, but bombs were just taken off the V-Wing's upgrade bar.

Also, both of these pilots are overcosted by about 2 points. For example, my PS9 V-Wing pilot is 22 points. My PS7 pilot is 20 points.

Also also, this isn't the thread for submissions. This is.

I wouldn't say that bombs are definitively off the V-wing's bar until the second round of voting, though. Technically the working model for the V-wing ship is the one that won the first round. It's fine to build cards with it in mind. That said it seems probable that the bomb slot will come off the bar.

The second round of voting on ships is right around the corner; make sure that any submission you want to make for a tweaked version of one of these 4 ships is ready by the 19th!

The original versions will automatically be entered, so any submission will have to beat the original entry to win. The winners will go on to be implemented in the custom vassal extension!

Taking a look at the original ships, I'll probably be submitting modified versions of the Avenger and Gunboat. I know there were ideas for a modified V-Wing; anyone thought about tweaking the Luxury yacht 3000?

We've got about two days left for submissions, so anyone who wants to take a crack at these should get a submission ready!

anyone thought about tweaking the Luxury yacht 3000?

Clearly it must be perfect!

Actually I'm probably going to submit a modified version of it myself. I designed it with the titles in mind, so I'll probably go back and take another look at it. Thinking about adding a second crew slot for one (jabba carrier!). Heck, technically the thing is bigger than any of the existing large base ships. Could make it the first 4 crew ship! (I don't plan to. That would be way overkill, especially with all the scum crew. Party bus is bad enough with zuckuss/4lom/dengar. Don't need to add the ability to get boba (or gunner, or whoever) in addition...)

So where are we submitting the updated ships? Here? Or are you gonna make another thread?

Submit them here, please

Here's what I'll be putting up for the tie avenger:

Dial picks up 3-Tallon rolls to give the Avenger another set of options for flip-around maneuvers, which I think is good for almost any ship, and should make it viable without giving it green 2-turns and making it into a TIE interceptor.

Generic pilots drop a point, after taking a look at Majorjuggler's mathwing thread. The Avenger shares a statline with the E-wing, and I'm using the predicted cost of the PS3 E-wing and going from there.

Those are awesome! Also a quick,some-what unrelated question, did you take any of the custom upgrades from your original thread you made (you made two if I'm correct, and the second got a lot of comments)? I had just posted stuff there and am curious if it possibly could have gotten into the voting pages. I won't be surprised if it's not there, so don't feel bad for me. I don't even play Vasal, I just love looking at everyone else's amazing work.

Also, this has probably been answered (Sorry if it was), but are you just going to add generic pilots, or look at other's unique pilots?

Thanks for your help!

Those are awesome! Also a quick,some-what unrelated question, did you take any of the custom upgrades from your original thread you made (you made two if I'm correct, and the second got a lot of comments)? I had just posted stuff there and am curious if it possibly could have gotten into the voting pages. I won't be surprised if it's not there, so don't feel bad for me. I don't even play Vasal, I just love looking at everyone else's amazing work.

Also, this has probably been answered (Sorry if it was), but are you just going to add generic pilots, or look at other's unique pilots?

Thanks for your help!

I don't think I went back to the threads before the official kickoff for the league, sorry. I think I completely forgot there were submissions there - I was really swamped with the upgrade submissions. I had like 250 to enter and missed a few. Sorry!

Also, I'll be submitting a slightly modified gunboat; the only change being the addition of a 4-k turn on the dial, shown below.

Those are awesome! Also a quick,some-what unrelated question, did you take any of the custom upgrades from your original thread you made (you made two if I'm correct, and the second got a lot of comments)? I had just posted stuff there and am curious if it possibly could have gotten into the voting pages. I won't be surprised if it's not there, so don't feel bad for me. I don't even play Vasal, I just love looking at everyone else's amazing work.

Also, this has probably been answered (Sorry if it was), but are you just going to add generic pilots, or look at other's unique pilots?

Thanks for your help!

I don't think I went back to the threads before the official kickoff for the league, sorry. I think I completely forgot there were submissions there - I was really swamped with the upgrade submissions. I had like 250 to enter and missed a few. Sorry!

Also, I'll be submitting a slightly modified gunboat; the only change being the addition of a 4-k turn on the dial, shown below.

I'm submitting two proposed dials for the V-Wing:

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The first dial is Scyk-like. It has no 5 straight, all 3 speed maneuvers are green, 2 speed banks and straights are green, and gains white 1 banks. without the 5 straight, it is not an extremely fast ship, and no longer treads ground close to the TIE Interceptor or A-Wing. While capable of slower maneuvers at 1 speed, it very much favors going moderately fast at speed 3. Unlike the Scyk, it has 3 turns and Tallon Rolls, and the one banks are white, not green. This is the dial i would favor.

The second one is a more traditional dial, closer to an Interceptor. It still has its 5 straight, but features less greens as a result.

In my opinion, these two dials offer trade offs. The first one trades high speed for superior low-to-mid speed control, while the second trades greens for faster speed. Ultimately i think the first dial is closer to the V-Wing's canon capabilities, as it was not as fast as an A-Wing/Interceptor, but was still very maneuverable and by no means slow. I've only included the second dial in case some people believe that to be a better fit.

Updated version of my luxury yacht Added another crew slot and an illicit slot, bumped up the cost by a point to reflect the new upgrades. Thoughts?

I've seen floor plans that have this ship with a swimming pool

At 50 meters it comes in at the borderline between large and huge scale ships.

Having only one crew slot and a system upgrade are a big mistake,

and so is having less hull than the Millennium Falcon (34 meters).

Submission deadline for custom ship round two is midnight tonight! Get your submissions in!

Submission deadline for custom ship round two is midnight tonight! Get your submissions in!

That's about 35 minutes from the time of your post if I'm not mistaken on the time zone, right?

About 1 hour from the time on this post; but I'll take anything before I conpile entries, probably 10 hours from now. But no guarantees after midnight, 1 hr from now.

I've seen floor plans that have this ship with a swimming pool

At 50 meters it comes in at the borderline between large and huge scale ships.

Having only one crew slot and a system upgrade are a big mistake,

and so is having less hull than the Millennium Falcon (34 meters).

In defense of my version for people voting

Bigger does not necessarily mean harder to kill. The GR-75 for instance is 90 meters long but only has 12 health in game. The falcon (at least in the legends EU, dunno what canon sources say) has been upgraded with military grade armor and shielding. The luxury yacht on the other hand is completely covered in windows across both sides. That's...rather less defensive than military grade armor.

I'm curious why having a system slot would be a "big mistake", and what the reasoning is for giving it 3 attack. They weren't exactly heavily armed ships (outside of extensive modifications, which is what the titles were supposed to reflect).

I happen to agree on the 2 crew slots thing, which is why I did sbumit my own updated version that had that and the illicit slot.

I designed the ship to basically be a scum version of the shuttle. Fairly inexpensive, not super maneuverable (though better than the shuttle), but with a bunch of upgrade options for it to support other ships with (part of why i added the second crew, better support ship).

So far I'm tracking these submissions for tweaked versions of the custom ships:

Assault gunboat:

tweaked dial by BG

SoroSuub 3000:

VanderLegion's tweaked version

Gabe's version

TIE Avenger:

Tweaked dial and cost by BG

V-wing:

2 dial tweaks by RazGriz

Updated version by mangipan

let me know if you I'm missing a submission from anybody. I'll put the poll up in a couple of hours.

Here's what I'll be putting up for the tie avenger:

Dial picks up 3-Tallon rolls to give the Avenger another set of options for flip-around maneuvers, which I think is good for almost any ship, and should make it viable without giving it green 2-turns and making it into a TIE interceptor.

Generic pilots drop a point, after taking a look at Majorjuggler's mathwing thread. The Avenger shares a statline with the E-wing, and I'm using the predicted cost of the PS3 E-wing and going from there.

Hmmm why you changed the ship images?