I know they are old EU so we will most likely never see them, but in the Custom Card League, I was very sad to see not one Coral Skipper. I was always hoping he Vong would be faction 4.

no IMHO the Vong are wrong..... they ruined the old eu it just wasn't star wars

That idea is bad and you're bad for wanting it.

The Vong were just....bad. Like....Jar Jar Binks was a better character than the entirety of the Vong series.

The Vong would be nigh impossible to balance and design. And tbh not very fun. Gravity well offense and defense are too good until they aren't.

Unpopular opinion: I enjoyed the Vong storyline until the ending.

The Vong to me were Jumping the Shark Star Wars style.

Nope nope nope nope and nope.

-Cal

The Vong to me were Jumping the Shark Star Wars style.

... Jumping the rancor?

I get where a lot of the hate is coming from, but there was something intriguing about how foriegn they were. In a universe where every alien can feel very human the Vong were... Something else entirely. Ehh alright I'll let it go... Honestly I didn't want to fly them, I wanted to shoot them down.

I dont think there is hate for them, I think a lot of people didnt think they felt Star Warsy to them. What is Star Warsy to me? I cant explain it, I just know it's not the Vong. A super Alien species invades the galaxy and unites everyone to fight them off. It has been done in virtually every Sci fi ever.

Remember that thread about keeping track of who posted what and members being recognized based on how/what they post? Well now you're on the list OP.

That idea is bad and you're bad for wanting it.

The Vong were just....bad. Like....Jar Jar Binks was a better character than the entirety of the Vong series.

But JarJar was an amazing character! not because he was written well but because he was one hell of a scape-goat for why the prequels sucked instead of the real reason they sucked lol.

In all seriousness, i hear 10x the complaints about JarJar than i do about the other terrible crap in those movies. Even in episode2/3 where hes hardly there, people still rage at him.

I'm glad you liked the Vong. Could make a game called "VongWing" and instead of using minis, you use slugs. The asthectic will be the same and it'll be cheap.

I liked the Vong. But there is no where near enough content to justify a whole faction.

Okay, what's the point of the Vong?

I mean, the only real purpose of the Vong was "We beat Jedi, the Force sucks against us," and the Force plays no part whatsoever in this game.

Oh, and they're a pathetic attempt to make the original Empire vs. Rebellion more "shades of grey" than black and white (or good and evil) by casting Sheev Palpatine as a "Dark Hero" who started TWO galactic wars, destroyed an ancient religion, and enslaved multiple races because it was what he had to do to fight off the Vong when they invaded in the future.

Do you realize how much that ruins everything that underlies Star Wars, to retcon that Palpatine wasn't evil, just a guy doin' bad things for the greater good ?

The Vong are also hack writing at its worst, Dragonball Z-esque power-upping: "Well, X lost to Y so there's no more tension there, but Z is stronger than both, so X and Y must combine forces to beat them, yay!"

Sorry, I could rant about this for pages. The Vong sucked. Terrible idea, terrible execution, I'd rather believe that Binks was actually Darth Urderer and was the real brains behind everything than see a single floating turd on the tabletop.

It's clear I hadn't read the whole arc. Like I said it was more just how foreign they were, and the opportunity to blow their **** coral skippers out of the sky with Corran's E-Wing. Just a new niche group.

Remember that thread about keeping track of who posted what and members being recognized based on how/what they post? Well now you're on the list OP.

Ironically I created that thread. In defense of Vong power scaling, they were powerful enough to make many a Rey-Esque Mary Sue run trembling. Which was part of what I liked. It wasn't them so much as much as they leveled the playing field. Anyhow, it was more a thought to put some new ships and scenarios into the game, not a deep passionate Vong love. Anyhow seeing the vehement repulse, my intent is to let the idea go. Anyway enjoy making this another long rant.

Also for anyone that's played the old D-20 system they were HILARIOUSLY fun to throw at otherwise game breaking guardians.

The Vong only had 2 starfighter sized ships- maybe even one, I remember the standard Coralskipper, and possibly a slightly larger one. And then they had some really tiny corvettes/Falcon sized ones. So they'd be very limited.

I liked the first few Vong books, mostly the the two with Elegos and Corran Horn.

But after Star By Star (where Borsk Feyla nukes several thousand Vong at the palace) it got way too much, especially when Jacen decided to become part vong, or at least wear their armor, and then using Centerpoint to blast Vong fleets, and oops there were some Hapans that got in the way...ugh.

The only good thing I liked about many of the later vong books was whereThe rogues went back to the Black Moon, when Jaina came into her own as an awesome pilot, and when Pelleaon came back with Garm Bel Iblis to start kicking Vong ass. But overall even that was done badly...I only liked it since they had the characters I loved.

I read out of disgust, and because two authors I kinda liked (Salvatore and Stackpole) were involved in their concept. Back then I was big on being entertained by hating things.

A much better idea would have been to shatter the New Jedi Order from within, by a splinter group dedicated to rejecting both the old Jedi and Sith ways to forge their own path with the Force, with Luke's faith so broken by this act that he withdrew from the universe. Maybe have it be led or at least aided by Jacen Solo, and the fallout from it destroyed the relationship between Han and Leia - sure, they still loved each other, but how could they look each other in the eyes and not wonder, "Where did we go wrong?" And then, on a distant, planet, a new hero starts to awaken...

Oh, wait, they're telling that story right now, aren't they? Fingers crossed for Ep 8!

The Vong only had 2 starfighter sized ships- maybe even one, I remember the standard Coralskipper, and possibly a slightly larger one. And then they had some really tiny corvettes/Falcon sized ones. So they'd be very limited.

I liked the first few Vong books, mostly the the two with Elegos and Corran Horn.

But after Star By Star (where Borsk Feyla nukes several thousand Vong at the palace) it got way too much, especially when Jacen decided to become part vong, or at least wear their armor, and then using Centerpoint to blast Vong fleets, and oops there were some Hapans that got in the way...ugh.

The only good thing I liked about many of the later vong books was whereThe rogues went back to the Black Moo, when Jaina came into her own as an awesome pilot, and when Pelleaon came back with Garm Bel Iblis to start kicking Vong ass. But overall even that was done badly...I only liked it since they had the characters I loved.

no IMHO the Vong are wrong..... they ruined the old eu it just wasn't star wars

The vong were created to be a threat to these characters. They were poorly executed, I agree. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the whole pain worshiping thing was only supposed to be something that the first faction of vong encountered did. The writers following the first book decided to apply this trait to every single vong.

The Vong only had 2 starfighter sized ships- maybe even one, I remember the standard Coralskipper, and possibly a slightly larger one. And then they had some really tiny corvettes/Falcon sized ones. So they'd be very limited.

I liked the first few Vong books, mostly the the two with Elegos and Corran Horn.

But after Star By Star (where Borsk Feyla nukes several thousand Vong at the palace) it got way too much, especially when Jacen decided to become part vong, or at least wear their armor, and then using Centerpoint to blast Vong fleets, and oops there were some Hapans that got in the way...ugh.

The only good thing I liked about many of the later vong books was whereThe rogues went back to the Black Moo, when Jaina came into her own as an awesome pilot, and when Pelleaon came back with Garm Bel Iblis to start kicking Vong ass. But overall even that was done badly...I only liked it since they had the characters I loved.

See that's what I remember the ridiculous piloting shenanigans of Horn, Solo, and so forth. But I was much younger then. I read those books (the ones I could find) in like 3rd grade so... Yeah

Trust me, we ALL have something like that. I legit LOVED the old TMNT cartoon, but it is straight unwatchable now except for the camp value of how whiny Shredder is. I enjoyed the hell out of playing AD&D2e and now it makes me cringe realizing how much I still have memorized from that horrific game system I will never be able to erase.

Nostalgia clouds the mind and covers what was mediocre with a fond cloud, and when you try to revisit it... well, it's best to just leave it alone.

The Vong only had 2 starfighter sized ships- maybe even one, I remember the standard Coralskipper, and possibly a slightly larger one. And then they had some really tiny corvettes/Falcon sized ones. So they'd be very limited.

I liked the first few Vong books, mostly the the two with Elegos and Corran Horn.

But after Star By Star (where Borsk Feyla nukes several thousand Vong at the palace) it got way too much, especially when Jacen decided to become part vong, or at least wear their armor, and then using Centerpoint to blast Vong fleets, and oops there were some Hapans that got in the way...ugh.

The only good thing I liked about many of the later vong books was whereThe rogues went back to the Black Moon, when Jaina came into her own as an awesome pilot, and when Pelleaon came back with Garm Bel Iblis to start kicking Vong ass. But overall even that was done badly...I only liked it since they had the characters I loved.

See that's what I remember the ridiculous piloting shenanigans of Horn, Solo, and so forth. But I was much younger then. I read those books (the ones I could find) in like 3rd grade so... Yeah

My biggest problem with them was that they were blatantly rpped off from the galactic antibodies in Gunbuster.