Whoops. Joe, are Klingon's the 4th faction now?

STAW is fun as long as you treat it like what it is: A Beer & Pretzels nostalgic ride.

Don't know why you'd want to waste points on huge ships.

I can see you don't play much Epic.

I've been fortunate enough to play in five Epic tournaments, and the winning build has included 1-2 Huge Ships in all of them.

I don't get why so many people can't see the value or potential of huge ships...? They are incredible and built and flown well they shape the entire battlefield.

Throw out some low quality attacks for a bunch of points. The rebel transport is the best one because it has the best offense epic ships have(ramming small ships) but isn't as garbage on the price but it still sucks.

Epic tournaments are cesspools of hobbyists and don't have the level of analysis and play that would really make any results from them telling.

Don't know why you'd want to waste points on huge ships.

I can see you don't play much Epic.

I've been fortunate enough to play in five Epic tournaments, and the winning build has included 1-2 Huge Ships in all of them.

I don't get why so many people can't see the value or potential of huge ships...? They are incredible and built and flown well they shape the entire battlefield.

Throw out some low quality attacks for a bunch of points. The rebel transport is the best one because it has the best offense epic ships have(ramming small ships) but isn't as garbage on the price but it still sucks.

Epic tournaments are cesspools of hobbyists and don't have the level of analysis and play that would really make any results from them telling.

Well, you're fun at parties. Smh, why are you in the team epic topic?

I'm bringing a huge ship! I cannot wait to see what people bring. I'm hoping for some good variety in squads. It's going to be a blast!

Are any of you participating in the North American Championship? I will bring either triple defender (TIE/d's baby!) or my tried and true Alpha Fleet Officer (love me some generic TIE interceptors!). I figure it will make it fun, and decrease the likelihood of making the cut so I can be sure to play some EPIC!

Don't know why you'd want to waste points on huge ships.

I can see you don't play much Epic.

I've been fortunate enough to play in five Epic tournaments, and the winning build has included 1-2 Huge Ships in all of them.

I don't get why so many people can't see the value or potential of huge ships...? They are incredible and built and flown well they shape the entire battlefield.

The jousting values of huge ships are low when compared to even the TIE defender because of the focus mechanics. Taking an unmodified 4 dice attack is still lower than a 3 dice attack with a focus token, add in the 100+ points for these ships and you get some very low jousting efficiency numbers.

Still huge ships can compensate with longer ranges and multiple attacks and there are upgrade combos that can negate that deficiency such as Han Solo<crew> and Weapons Engineer. Knowing the limitations of the huge ships is Key in Epic and seeing what can be built. That is why although the meta is not as established I still think there are some builds that can be predicted (i.e. the Varaider).

"WE NEED MORE SHIPS!"

Put them in Armada. No seriously I wold love to see Star Trek Armada.

But as for more ships I've been playing around with Squadron Builder and got an EPIC 299 point list.

2 Gozanti Cruisers w/Dual Laser turret

Vector & Requiem

• Howlrunner w/Swarm Tactics and Hull Upgrade (or Stealth Device)

15x Academy Pilots

Hey Joe can you draw a picture for us?

12хAcademy max, no?

12хAcademy max, no?

Depends on the venue. Official tournament is limited to 12. Home? Well, how many TIE Fighters do you own? I totally approve of this force.

As somebody who recently ran the quad Brobots with triple Scouts (well, 2 scouts+Manaroo actually) at a local ep8c tornament (I won), I have to say:

Brobots are full of win, especially vs. Huge ships. If I manage to kill off the support, a remaining Epic ship has an 3xceedingly hard time dealing with even 1-2 low HP IG-88s.

Scouts performed bekow expectatuons though. Low defense+high offense meant they were always prime targets for focus fire and Toryn Farr was always a pain to deal with.

As somebody who recently ran the quad Brobots with triple Scouts (well, 2 scouts+Manaroo actually) at a local ep8c tornament (I won), I have to say:

Brobots are full of win, especially vs. Huge ships. If I manage to kill off the support, a remaining Epic ship has an 3xceedingly hard time dealing with even 1-2 low HP IG-88s.

Scouts performed bekow expectatuons though. Low defense+high offense meant they were always prime targets for focus fire and Toryn Farr was always a pain to deal with.

And this is why I expect them. And with people like Panzeh pushing for win behind them. I have counter measures though. I think a missile Raider with Tarkin on board helps a lot for jumpmasters. Stops one in range four band from firing torpedoes every turn. Brobot family is a lot tougher to deal with but very pricey.

I'm hoping my list is prepped enough to match that list LordBlades. I was thinking of nearly that identical ship selection when I made my own.

"WE NEED MORE SHIPS!"

Put them in Armada. No seriously I wold love to see Star Trek Armada.

But as for more ships I've been playing around with Squadron Builder and got an EPIC 299 point list.

2 Gozanti Cruisers w/Dual Laser turret

Vector & Requiem

• Howlrunner w/Swarm Tactics and Hull Upgrade (or Stealth Device)

15x Academy Pilots

Hey Joe can you draw a picture for us?

VERITY My Star Brother... we need it. Just starting the night shift and I see mean-ass-gabe done already drew your fleet already... nice!

Fresh brewed Coffee and fresh baked Pastries;;; Joe Daddy IS coming to get you!

As somebody who recently ran the quad Brobots with triple Scouts (well, 2 scouts+Manaroo actually) at a local ep8c tornament (I won), I have to say:

Brobots are full of win, especially vs. Huge ships. If I manage to kill off the support, a remaining Epic ship has an 3xceedingly hard time dealing with even 1-2 low HP IG-88s.

Scouts performed bekow expectatuons though. Low defense+high offense meant they were always prime targets for focus fire and Toryn Farr was always a pain to deal with.

And this is why I expect them. And with people like Panzeh pushing for win behind them. I have counter measures though. I think a missile Raider with Tarkin on board helps a lot for jumpmasters. Stops one in range four band from firing torpedoes every turn. Brobot family is a lot tougher to deal with but very pricey.

I'm hoping my list is prepped enough to match that list LordBlades. I was thinking of nearly that identical ship selection when I made my own.

Wow. I really respect that. When it comes down to it, I just need a squad that DOES something. If I can pull off my trick, win or lose, I'll be happy. Rather than build to counter things, I thought retroactively, "Yeah, I think my squad can handle those tough threats." We shall see.

12хAcademy max, no?

Depends on the venue. Official tournament is limited to 12. Home? Well, how many TIE Fighters do you own? I totally approve of this force.

There is an exception for ships that start docked with the Gozanti. So if you have TIE Fighters docked to the Gozanti they don't count to the 12 ship (8 for team) limit .

12хAcademy max, no?

Depends on the venue. Official tournament is limited to 12. Home? Well, how many TIE Fighters do you own? I totally approve of this force.

There is an exception for ships that start docked with the Gozanti. So if you have TIE Fighters docked to the Gozanti they don't count to the 12 ship (8 for team) limit .

I believe I may have missed that. I do recall reading something like that actually now that you say this. If this is true, and I will not argue that it is not, that's freakin' amazing. I applaud your list on multiple levels. There is a new power in the galaxy. I suggest you use it...

Im gonna for sure sign up for Epic if I don't make the Saturday cut. I just don't like to jinx myself

12хAcademy max, no?

Depends on the venue. Official tournament is limited to 12. Home? Well, how many TIE Fighters do you own? I totally approve of this force.

There is an exception for ships that start docked with the Gozanti. So if you have TIE Fighters docked to the Gozanti they don't count to the 12 ship (8 for team) limit .

Do you have a reference for this? I'd like to give it a read.

12хAcademy max, no?

Depends on the venue. Official tournament is limited to 12. Home? Well, how many TIE Fighters do you own? I totally approve of this force.

There is an exception for ships that start docked with the Gozanti. So if you have TIE Fighters docked to the Gozanti they don't count to the 12 ship (8 for team) limit .

Do you have a reference for this? I'd like to give it a read.

Just went through the posted epic rules and faq and saw no reference. If it's anywhere it's with the gozanti printed rules and I don't have that. Not a ship I own. I vaguely recall reading something but it may have been an article or amateur theory so I'm certainly not a credible source.

I want to try a full bore Bounty Hunter list, all BH and all titles, something along these lines.

Epic Bounty (300)

Boba Fett (56) - Firespray-31

Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), K4 Security Droid (3), Slave I (0), Engine Upgrade (4)

Dengar (53) - JumpMaster 5000

Deadeye (1), Extra Munitions (2), Plasma Torpedoes (3), R4 Agromech (2), Punishing One (12), Guidance Chips (0)

Bossk (49) - YV-666

Predator (3), "Mangler" Cannon (4), Hound's Tooth (6), Maneuvering Fins (1)

IG88-B (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

IG88-C (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

4-LOM (36) - G-1A Starfighter

Push The Limit (3), Zuckuss (1), Cloaking Device (2), Mist Hunter (0), Stygium Particle Accelerator (2), Tractor Beam (1)

That bounty hunter list looks like a blast to play! The only requirement is that your opponent MUST have Han Solo in his squad. That would be hilarious!

I want to try a full bore Bounty Hunter list, all BH and all titles, something along these lines.

Epic Bounty (300)

Boba Fett (56) - Firespray-31

Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), K4 Security Droid (3), Slave I (0), Engine Upgrade (4)

Dengar (53) - JumpMaster 5000

Deadeye (1), Extra Munitions (2), Plasma Torpedoes (3), R4 Agromech (2), Punishing One (12), Guidance Chips (0)

Bossk (49) - YV-666

Predator (3), "Mangler" Cannon (4), Hound's Tooth (6), Maneuvering Fins (1)

IG88-B (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

IG88-C (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

4-LOM (36) - G-1A Starfighter

Push The Limit (3), Zuckuss (1), Cloaking Device (2), Mist Hunter (0), Stygium Particle Accelerator (2), Tractor Beam (1)

Even though S&V are my least faction this looks awesome.

You worked in all of the best known bounty hunters and titles.

Thematic and very cool!

Don't forget inventive and fearless... And intimidating, frightening and alarming.

It's only six ships, but I'm looking at it and realizing that there is no lynch pin to pull these apart. Every piece works on its own. 4Lom is the only "helper" thanks to the tractor beam, but is also the cheapest thing in the force. Skewed target priorities!

Now you just need a SSD on the table for them to all land on!

[EDIT: with Vader crew, of course]

I want to try a full bore Bounty Hunter list, all BH and all titles, something along these lines.

Epic Bounty (300)

Boba Fett (56) - Firespray-31

Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), K4 Security Droid (3), Slave I (0), Engine Upgrade (4)

Dengar (53) - JumpMaster 5000

Deadeye (1), Extra Munitions (2), Plasma Torpedoes (3), R4 Agromech (2), Punishing One (12), Guidance Chips (0)

Bossk (49) - YV-666

Predator (3), "Mangler" Cannon (4), Hound's Tooth (6), Maneuvering Fins (1)

IG88-B (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

IG88-C (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

4-LOM (36) - G-1A Starfighter

Push The Limit (3), Zuckuss (1), Cloaking Device (2), Mist Hunter (0), Stygium Particle Accelerator (2), Tractor Beam (1)

I think my only critique is that the whole Dengar torpedo boat was a bit nerffed by the latest FAQ. You can prolly retool him pretty good.

Also, how awesome will this list be after this week when you can put IG-88D crew on Bossk or Boba Fett. I think with your setup he would be better on Boba Fett because he can boost then get the free evade.

I want to try a full bore Bounty Hunter list, all BH and all titles, something along these lines.

Epic Bounty (300)

Boba Fett (56) - Firespray-31

Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), K4 Security Droid (3), Slave I (0), Engine Upgrade (4)

Dengar (53) - JumpMaster 5000

Deadeye (1), Extra Munitions (2), Plasma Torpedoes (3), R4 Agromech (2), Punishing One (12), Guidance Chips (0)

Bossk (49) - YV-666

Predator (3), "Mangler" Cannon (4), Hound's Tooth (6), Maneuvering Fins (1)

IG88-B (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

IG88-C (53) - Aggressor

Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Glitterstim (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2)

4-LOM (36) - G-1A Starfighter

Push The Limit (3), Zuckuss (1), Cloaking Device (2), Mist Hunter (0), Stygium Particle Accelerator (2), Tractor Beam (1)

I think my only critique is that the whole Dengar torpedo boat was a bit nerffed by the latest FAQ. You can prolly retool him pretty good.

Also, how awesome will this list be after this week when you can put IG-88D crew on Bossk or Boba Fett. I think with your setup he would be better on Boba Fett because he can boost then get the free evade.

I totally agree with this comment. Dengar could be non-torp-boat scary, and Boba Fett...well, I like the HLC, but personally I'd go for Extra Munitions and Proton Bombs. I mean, you have the Slave I title after all, right? You have lots of heavy hitting ships, and Proton Bombs could do unspeakable things to swarms of enemy ships. That's just my personal preference because I like bombs.