Speaking of character traits, that's a fairly typical one of trolls,

they'll misquote you or take you out of context so as to give themselves

permission to have the rant they really want to have, however irrelevant it is.

Oil mazzO isn't a troll!

Who’s that trip trapping over my bridge?

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

We're talking about Shara Bey aren't we, not Leia?

No I was talking about Poes only original trait being he's a good pilot without that he's Leia light, then we got onto how Leia should be this great pilot and I disagree because she was a great political leader.

At no point was I talking about poes mum who I know nothing about and care even less.

Hope that clears things up.

That's not how the above quote chain reads. It was about Shara being a great pilot, then you brought up Leia as a comparison with Poe's role in the films. Leia's skills aren't mentioned till you bring them up. Have different threads got crossed?

Speaking of character traits, that's a fairly typical one of trolls,

they'll misquote you or take you out of context so as to give themselves

permission to have the rant they really want to have, however irrelevant it is.

Oil mazzO isn't a troll!

And my quote is missing from the sequence of replies, where I mentioned writers of "main?" characters being over-stated/ over-powered, and generally getting "such a hard on for their own characters" (be they male or female) that they forget to put any breaks on their capabilities etc in their books. (that was what I tried to imply anyway)

ps: I love Saab Daken, lol.

Also, the Saab 210 variants being so much smaller then the Draken, makes them look like real life versions of the Syck to me, lol.

ps: I love Saab Daken, lol.

Also, the Saab 210 variants being so much smaller then the Draken, makes them look like real life versions of the Syck to me, lol.

I need to unlock wings like that in Kerbal Space Programme, I'm having a terribad time with my planes.

Have they announced it yet?

Sadly, no.

Nor is it likely to be announced any time soon. I mean, it's been just a month since Wave 9 was revealed. They won't tell us what's in Wave 10 this soon. If there are any late additions to Wave 9, they'll be the U-wing and TIE Striker to tie in with Rogue One.

I would prefer not to have the N-1 in X-wing. One of my main complaints with the prequels was the aesthetic choices to make the technology look more advanced than that in the original films. Thus, the N-1 looks too....sleek and simple for my tastes. It looks more like an airspeeder or other atmospheric craft than a Star Wars starfighter. And I can't see it bringing a lot to the game- the stats would probably be in-between a T-65 X-wing and an A-wing; having less firepower than the X-wing (only two laser cannons but twin torpedo launchers) but less speed than an A-wing, making it a strange hybrid ship that doesn't really fit in.

Just my thoughts though, I'm actually happy with any new ships that we get in this game.

I do like the Nubian ship designs and let's be frank here, just because most worlds were sucked dry by the emperor and so many people are poor and use junk from before the clone wars does not mean that every single item in star wars needs to have that thrash look. Nubian ships are designed for rich people, they need that slick look and they stand out for that very reason which is completely fine. Not having them as rebel generic ships would make sense in that context as well.

Yeah, the N-1 would pretty obviously have only unique pilots because it wasn't a standard part of Rebel squadrons. The only people we know of that piloted them in the Galactic Civil War were Leia, Shara Bey, and Queen Soruna. Only 3 pilots in an expansion would be unusual, but in this case it would fit.

I would prefer not to have the N-1 in X-wing. One of my main complaints with the prequels was the aesthetic choices to make the technology look more advanced than that in the original films. Thus, the N-1 looks too....sleek and simple for my tastes. It looks more like an airspeeder or other atmospheric craft than a Star Wars starfighter. And I can't see it bringing a lot to the game- the stats would probably be in-between a T-65 X-wing and an A-wing; having less firepower than the X-wing (only two laser cannons but twin torpedo launchers) but less speed than an A-wing, making it a strange hybrid ship that doesn't really fit in.

Just my thoughts though, I'm actually happy with any new ships that we get in this game.

I do like the Nubian ship designs and let's be frank here, just because most worlds were sucked dry by the emperor and so many people are poor and use junk from before the clone wars does not mean that every single item in star wars needs to have that thrash look. Nubian ships are designed for rich people, they need that slick look and they stand out for that very reason which is completely fine. Not having them as rebel generic ships would make sense in that context as well.

I like to think Palpatine had a garage full of super fancy spaceships including lots of shiny Nubian shuttles/yachts/skiffs/whatever they're called.

Yeah, the N-1 would pretty obviously have only unique pilots because it wasn't a standard part of Rebel squadrons. The only people we know of that piloted them in the Galactic Civil War were Leia, Shara Bey, and Queen Soruna. Only 3 pilots in an expansion would be unusual, but in this case it would fit.

NOTHING was standard in the Rebel Navy. It was a ragtag group that used whatever it could get its hands on. The N-1 was the standard fighter for Naboo. I agree completely with the three pilots you have chosen and a 4th could be included one way or another.

It baffles me that there is so much hate for this ship. It's a part of the official Star Wars universe, major characters have flown it, and Leia NEEDS a ship!

The N-1 is tainted with Binks by association.

Also there's a minority that dislike the design because the Astromech slot forces the partial decapitation of R2 units.

But I like the ship, it's sleek and stylish and different. We will see it eventually, especially with th ARC-170 being confirmed.

The N-1 is tainted with Binks by association.

So is Star Wars. Haters gonna hate, no point in paying attention to them.

From an aesthetic perspective, it may help to consider the design context GL was working from. He made American Graffiti before SW. In fact, Harrison Ford was in that too. That movie featured a lot of American sports cars. By the 1970, a lot of the cars had gotten bigger and had a flat front end like the camero and the mustang. The corvette (car not SW ship) was really the only one that got curvier. In the 80's the cars got even boxier. So the chromed N1 and Naboo transports reflect an earlier era in spaceship design vs. more "modern" ships set in the original trilogy. I really think in GL's mind, the Millennium Falcon was a souped up hot rod. It's a mash up of both vehicles from Smoky and the Bandit.

I realize Naboo was a wealthy planet, I just don't think that their military philosophy extended much past basic defence. Look at Amadala's reliance on the political process even in the fact of imminent occupation, "I will not condone a course of action that leads to war". So I still think that they chose to buy just enough ship to get the job done while waiting on the republic navy to shop up for any large problems. The N1 was good in it's day. But even then it may not have been the equal of the Z-95 unless the N1 pilots were really good. They may have been for all we know, but by X-wing times most of the pilots would be gone (yes, I'm aware of the comic, no need to post it again). By the time of New Hope and now Rouge One, the N1s would be like P-51 mustangs at best. Maybe used as racers and acknowledged as a good ship in their day, but not suited for space combat except when there was nothing else around. Even the Republic uses the much heavier arc-170 to fight in the clone wars.

The P-39s were already old by the time they were used in China in WW2, but they were all Chennault could get, and the volunteer pilots and crews made them work. Read about the flying tigers and you'll find that they would send up whatever they could time and time again. They fought with determination and grit in the face of superior equipment and numbers. Sound familiar?

It's not hate to say the N1 doesn't fit in X-wing. If you want one the get a model and make some house rules. Do a Y-wing treatment and strip some of the panels and add some piping. Make it your own. They aren't going to show up in major galactic civil war battles anyway. How many sycks are on the tournament scene?

ARC and N1 are not the same timeline at all. N1 is roughly 20 years older than ARC, Y-wing, Z95, etc.

Z-95 was being talked about around TPM: "Given the choice, I'd take a Z-95 any time" (TPM novel).

It's the Clone Starfighter variant that's a contemporary of the Y-wing.

Ships that fly 30 years AFTER ROTJ are still using astromechs like R2 that were designed over 7 decades prior! R2-D2 himself is a very old piece of machinery. Tech in SW does not get outdated, just reused and redesigned by third parties as they find was to stretch the original roles the ship was designed for. The only problem with old starships isn't the design, it's the actual wear and tear that comes with the individual ships as they are flown and show their physical age.

Expecting a ship that rolled off the assembly line 20 years ago and has been chop shopped and hot rodded like the Rebels' ships at Yavin to hold up to ships cranked out yesterday is asking a miracle unless those rebel mechanics and pilots know what they are doing. Hope nothing malfunctions and causes the fat guy to crash. If the rebels had found a mint-in-box stash of clone wars era ships they would have gladly used those over anything else they could have found as long as the learning curve to fly them and maintain/arm them wasn't too steep.

Look at Amadala's reliance on the political process even in the fact of imminent occupation, "I will not condone a course of action that leads to war".

For the sake of nitpicking: it wasn't actually Amadala that said that.

Until recently I would have agreed with you that the N1 probably wasn't a great ship, because I got the impression it was more symbolic than an actual war-machine (though I never bought the argument that it would be outdated technology a mere thirty years later or whatever it is). However, in the comic it's show to be more than a match for TIE Fighters, so obviously it actually is pretty **** good. And that's canon, there's no arguing with it.

Look at Amadala's reliance on the political process even in the fact of imminent occupation, "I will not condone a course of action that leads to war".

For the sake of nitpicking: it wasn't actually Amadala that said that.

Until recently I would have agreed with you that the N1 probably wasn't a great ship, because I got the impression it was more symbolic than an actual war-machine (though I never bought the argument that it would be outdated technology a mere thirty years later or whatever it is). However, in the comic it's show to be more than a match for TIE Fighters, so obviously it actually is pretty **** good. And that's canon, there's no arguing with it.

Also, who's to say the N-1s in the comics weren't made towards the end of the Clone Wars, or gutted and reconstructed with new systems. A-10s and B-52s are still used decades after their creation and both still excel at their jobs (CAS and heavy bomber respectively).

Look at Amadala's reliance on the political process even in the fact of imminent occupation, "I will not condone a course of action that leads to war".

For the sake of nitpicking: it wasn't actually Amadala that said that.

Until recently I would have agreed with you that the N1 probably wasn't a great ship, because I got the impression it was more symbolic than an actual war-machine (though I never bought the argument that it would be outdated technology a mere thirty years later or whatever it is). However, in the comic it's show to be more than a match for TIE Fighters, so obviously it actually is pretty **** good. And that's canon, there's no arguing with it.

Also, who's to say the N-1s in the comics weren't made towards the end of the Clone Wars, or gutted and reconstructed with new systems. A-10s and B-52s are still used decades after their creation and both still excel at their jobs (CAS and heavy bomber respectively).

I've changed my mind. N1s are rubbish.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/224334-ffg-bring-jedi-starfighter-to-x-wing/

It hasn't got anything to do with hating anything. Adding it for the sake of adding it, doesn't really add to the game. Of course I'm sure there might be another new and unique rules mechanic <sarcasm> and then add several lines in the FAQ for clarity </sarcasm>

It hasn't got anything to do with hating anything. Adding it for the sake of adding it, doesn't really add to the game. Of course I'm sure there might be another new and unique rules mechanic <sarcasm> and then add several lines in the FAQ for clarity </sarcasm>

Can you explain what you mean by "adding it for the sake of adding it"?

It hasn't got anything to do with hating anything. Adding it for the sake of adding it, doesn't really add to the game. Of course I'm sure there might be another new and unique rules mechanic <sarcasm> and then add several lines in the FAQ for clarity </sarcasm>

Can you explain what you mean by "adding it for the sake of adding it"?

To be sure this is just my opinion, but I'm not sure I see any distinction for the N-1 from the fighters we already have.

It hasn't got anything to do with hating anything. Adding it for the sake of adding it, doesn't really add to the game. Of course I'm sure there might be another new and unique rules mechanic <sarcasm> and then add several lines in the FAQ for clarity </sarcasm>

Can you explain what you mean by "adding it for the sake of adding it"?

To be sure this is just my opinion, but I'm not sure I see any distinction for the N-1 from the fighters we already have.

It's a different ship. Different name, different model.

I assume you're talking about game mechanics, but I suspect most of the ships we have were chosen because the designers liked them, and they made up the mechanics afterwards to make each ship cool.

It hasn't got anything to do with hating anything. Adding it for the sake of adding it, doesn't really add to the game. Of course I'm sure there might be another new and unique rules mechanic <sarcasm> and then add several lines in the FAQ for clarity </sarcasm>

Can you explain what you mean by "adding it for the sake of adding it"?

To be sure this is just my opinion, but I'm not sure I see any distinction for the N-1 from the fighters we already have.

It's a different ship. Different name, different model.

I assume you're talking about game mechanics, but I suspect most of the ships we have were chosen because the designers liked them, and they made up the mechanics afterwards to make each ship cool.

Then to satisfy that need it would be far more cost effective to simply continue adding new paint jobs and names to existing ships. Why bother with a new mold, design, manufacturing, etc... No my comment isn't serious but I think you made the point I was going for.

It hasn't got anything to do with hating anything. Adding it for the sake of adding it, doesn't really add to the game. Of course I'm sure there might be another new and unique rules mechanic <sarcasm> and then add several lines in the FAQ for clarity </sarcasm>

Can you explain what you mean by "adding it for the sake of adding it"?

To be sure this is just my opinion, but I'm not sure I see any distinction for the N-1 from the fighters we already have.

It's a different ship. Different name, different model.

I assume you're talking about game mechanics, but I suspect most of the ships we have were chosen because the designers liked them, and they made up the mechanics afterwards to make each ship cool.

Then to satisfy that need it would be far more cost effective to simply continue adding new paint jobs and names to existing ships. Why bother with a new mold, design, manufacturing, etc... No my comment isn't serious but I think you made the point I was going for.

It could be a cheap torpedo/astromech carrier. Add some unique pilot skills, A route for unique astromechs.

It hasn't got anything to do with hating anything. Adding it for the sake of adding it, doesn't really add to the game. Of course I'm sure there might be another new and unique rules mechanic <sarcasm> and then add several lines in the FAQ for clarity </sarcasm>

Can you explain what you mean by "adding it for the sake of adding it"?

To be sure this is just my opinion, but I'm not sure I see any distinction for the N-1 from the fighters we already have.

It's a different ship. Different name, different model.

I assume you're talking about game mechanics, but I suspect most of the ships we have were chosen because the designers liked them, and they made up the mechanics afterwards to make each ship cool.

Then to satisfy that need it would be far more cost effective to simply continue adding new paint jobs and names to existing ships. Why bother with a new mold, design, manufacturing, etc... No my comment isn't serious but I think you made the point I was going for.

But people like new models. Don't they? Pretty sure they do...