PS6 is not rubbish, but canon indicates that Shara was an incredible pilot, not just a good one. I mean, she became a triple ace over the course of a single battle according to "Before the Awakening", and in "Shattered Empire" she held off an entire Star Destroyer's worth of TIEs in an antique N-1 while Princess Leia and Queen Soruna were busy shooting down the Imperial satellites.

Is that when a star Destroyer's worth of TIEs is just over seventy? Seriously the h*, what's that about?

Well, the MC-80s hold 120 fighters, including the B-wing, and is over twice the size of an ISD, based on the models, so the 70 seems about right.

Edit: Wrong numbers.

Based on the models from the films you mean? The models in Armada make the MC-80 miles smaller than an ISD. Still, I'd expect it to be hundreds, wouldn't you?

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

PS6 is not rubbish, but canon indicates that Shara was an incredible pilot, not just a good one. I mean, she became a triple ace over the course of a single battle according to "Before the Awakening", and in "Shattered Empire" she held off an entire Star Destroyer's worth of TIEs in an antique N-1 while Princess Leia and Queen Soruna were busy shooting down the Imperial satellites.

Is that when a star Destroyer's worth of TIEs is just over seventy? Seriously the h*, what's that about?

Well, the MC-80s hold 120 fighters, including the B-wing, and is over twice the size of an ISD, based on the models, so the 70 seems about right.

Edit: Wrong numbers.

Based on the models from the films you mean? The models in Armada make the MC-80 miles smaller than an ISD. Still, I'd expect it to be hundreds, wouldn't you?

Based on the models from the films you mean? The models in Armada make the MC-80 miles smaller than an ISD.

Probably because that's what both the EU and the newcanon have tended to go with.

ISD carries AT-ATs and barges to transport them, which take a lot of hangar space.

Based on the models from the films you mean? The models in Armada make the MC-80 miles smaller than an ISD.

Probably because that's what both the EU and the newcanon have tended to go with.

Based on the models from the films you mean? The models in Armada make the MC-80 miles smaller than an ISD.

Probably because that's what both the EU and the newcanon have tended to go with.

Looked a lot bigger in the film, I thought.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

I think the exact same of Poe, so no difference from my perspective there, lol.

100+ kills are something one does as an ace in a protracted campaign perhaps, over a longer period of time, not in a single battle (in a few hours), that makes even space-fantasy look unrealistic, imo

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

Unfortunately, Leia suffers (in the movies) from never touching a fighter, and thus not showing her force sensitive powers of uber-piloting skillzzz,

so, also what Hobojebus says ^^

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

Unfortunately, Leia suffers (in the movies) from never touching a fighter, and thus not showing her force sensitive powers of uber-piloting skillzzz,

so, also what Hobojebus says ^^

No, she doesn't "suffer".

It's beyond stupid, even goddamn Tarkin is piloting a starfighter (risking his life for no reason) in the terrible Luceno's novel.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

Unfortunately, Leia suffers (in the movies) from never touching a fighter, and thus not showing her force sensitive powers of uber-piloting skillzzz,

so, also what Hobojebus says ^^

No, she doesn't "suffer".

It's beyond stupid, even goddamn Tarkin is piloting a starfighter (risking his life for no reason) in the terrible Luceno's novel.

1st of all: relax plz, it's just a discussion, no need to use foul language.

2nd:

"suffers", because the Xwing game runs on pilots and ships, not political intrigue, to if you're looking at it from Xwing's perspective, yes she does lack, or "suffer", as I nicely put it. (thats what the " " were for).

Whether she should be a pilot or not is another matter, but people seem to want her that way, not as a crappy one use crew.

At least Tarkin doesn't suffer from a bad ability, even though he isnt flying ace himself, as a crew-slot.

Have a nice restful day

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

We're talking about Shara Bey aren't we, not Leia?

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

We're talking about Shara Bey aren't we, not Leia?

No I was talking about Poes only original trait being he's a good pilot without that he's Leia light, then we got onto how Leia should be this great pilot and I disagree because she was a great political leader.

At no point was I talking about poes mum who I know nothing about and care even less.

Hope that clears things up.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

We're talking about Shara Bey aren't we, not Leia?

No I was talking about Poes only original trait being he's a good pilot without that he's Leia light, then we got onto how Leia should be this great pilot and I disagree because she was a great political leader.

At no point was I talking about poes mum who I know nothing about and care even less.

Hope that clears things up.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

We're talking about Shara Bey aren't we, not Leia?

No I was talking about Poes only original trait being he's a good pilot without that he's Leia light, then we got onto how Leia should be this great pilot and I disagree because she was a great political leader.

At no point was I talking about poes mum who I know nothing about and care even less.

Hope that clears things up.

That's not how the above quote chain reads. It was about Shara being a great pilot, then you brought up Leia as a comparison with Poe's role in the films. Leia's skills aren't mentioned till you bring them up. Have different threads got crossed?

I could back trace it but I cba.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

We're talking about Shara Bey aren't we, not Leia?

No I was talking about Poes only original trait being he's a good pilot without that he's Leia light, then we got onto how Leia should be this great pilot and I disagree because she was a great political leader.

At no point was I talking about poes mum who I know nothing about and care even less.

Hope that clears things up.

That's not how the above quote chain reads. It was about Shara being a great pilot, then you brought up Leia as a comparison with Poe's role in the films. Leia's skills aren't mentioned till you bring them up. Have different threads got crossed?

they'll misquote you or take you out of context so as to give themselves

permission to have the rant they really want to have, however irrelevant it is.

I personally get a little tired of every named pilot always being the ultra super duper fighter ace.

But maybe I'm used to the old days, where one could be an ace pilot without having to have a K:D that looks like you're running exploits in Call of Duty. Poe's mom was a fighter pilot? Awesome. An ace? That'll do nicely. Did she need a kill ratio that makes Wedge blush too? Mm.

Note I say this despite being thrilled that there are so many more girls in Modern Star Wars, and not having cared one whit if Poe'd been a daughter: It's the modern trend as a whole, not Shara herself.

And for what it's worth folks, that pilot ability? Freaking awesome on a hull ten points cheaper.

Yeah, I don't know enough about Shara's character to know if her ability is very thematic, but it is a GREAT ability to let your wingmen spend a target lock after spending their own to launch ordinance. If that ability was on an even cheaper ship it would really be killer, but It would also be a weaker ship and your opponents first target, so maybe it's good that it's on more of a tank (except that I find all those hit points don't mean much with 1 freakin agility...)

Yeah, I don't know enough about Shara's character to know if her ability is very thematic, but it is a GREAT ability to let your wingmen spend a target lock after spending their own to launch ordinance. If that ability was on an even cheaper ship it would really be killer, but It would also be a weaker ship and your opponents first target, so maybe it's good that it's on more of a tank (except that I find all those hit points don't mean much with 1 freakin agility...)

I'm OK with giving them another awfully tempting target. You can take the discount and run fragility, or spend the points or raw HP and extra firepower in the heavier ship.

Howlrunner does just fine, and her ability is even more kill-me-first, after all.

WRT clean ships versus "dirty" or "lived-in" ships...

Anybody ever do maintenance on anything complicated and mechanical before? If stuff's clean, it's easy to see stuff that has been damaged - cracks and fractures, dents, micro meteor damage, and so forth - whether in combat or simply by putting so many flight hours into a thing.

Obviously, in a hot combat situation where you're having to put ships back up as soon as you reasonably can from improvised air/space fields, you might simplify things and just clean the areas that are of critical importance and are not close to needing to be inspected on your preventative maintenance schedule (although in a perfect galaxy, you'd want to inspect them anyway, because sometimes sh__ happens, especially with QA/QC, especially during wartime). However, it's not much more difficult or time intensive to clean the whole thing once you've started cleaning it. If you have the resources to do it, you might as well do it.

Naboo was mostly a pacifist planet. The N-1 was an upgunned puddle jumper. It's like a small third world country that's really proud of their one squad of mig-21s or mirages and paints them up pretty. Naboo did it by choice I'm guessing. Some committee decided the N-1 could just get the job done for in system escorts or harrying pirates till republic heavies showed up. The money saved could be used on a public works project.

PM was only around 30 years give or take before NH. Consider how long modern fighters stay in service. Z-95s would have been the trusted go to ship for any serious planetary defense force and T-65s were either in production or about to be. I'd put good money on a T-16 giving the N-1 a hard time by OT era. If it's all that's available, then it's better than nothing, but it's a oddity for museums when there is some serious galactic civil war afoot.

Actually, I think that Naboo is more akin to Sweden or Switzerland: It's not a third world country, it's a small, wealthy first-world (mostly neutral) country that has managed to be wealthy despite not being located anywhere important. Because it's located nowhere important, they have a small military, because they haven't really needed one for a very long time. Because they're wealthy and they don't need many fighters (and can't really justify or recruit sufficient numbers for a larger starfighter component), high individual cost fighters like the N1 don't phase them: They're going to rock the cool sh__ like Saab Gripens and Dassault Rafales.

WRT clean ships versus "dirty" or "lived-in" ships...

Anybody ever do maintenance on anything complicated and mechanical before? If stuff's clean, it's easy to see stuff that has been damaged - cracks and fractures, dents, micro meteor damage, and so forth - whether in combat or simply by putting so many flight hours into a thing.

Obviously, in a hot combat situation where you're having to put ships back up as soon as you reasonably can from improvised air/space fields, you might simplify things and just clean the areas that are of critical importance and are not close to needing to be inspected on your preventative maintenance schedule (although in a perfect galaxy, you'd want to inspect them anyway, because sometimes sh__ happens, especially with QA/QC, especially during wartime). However, it's not much more difficult or time intensive to clean the whole thing once you've started cleaning it. If you have the resources to do it, you might as well do it.

Naboo was mostly a pacifist planet. The N-1 was an upgunned puddle jumper. It's like a small third world country that's really proud of their one squad of mig-21s or mirages and paints them up pretty. Naboo did it by choice I'm guessing. Some committee decided the N-1 could just get the job done for in system escorts or harrying pirates till republic heavies showed up. The money saved could be used on a public works project.

PM was only around 30 years give or take before NH. Consider how long modern fighters stay in service. Z-95s would have been the trusted go to ship for any serious planetary defense force and T-65s were either in production or about to be. I'd put good money on a T-16 giving the N-1 a hard time by OT era. If it's all that's available, then it's better than nothing, but it's a oddity for museums when there is some serious galactic civil war afoot.

Actually, I think that Naboo is more akin to Sweden or Switzerland: It's not a third world country, it's a small, wealthy first-world (mostly neutral) country that has managed to be wealthy despite not being located anywhere important. Because it's located nowhere important, they have a small military, because they haven't really needed one for a very long time. Because they're wealthy and they don't need many fighters (and can't really justify or recruit sufficient numbers for a larger starfighter component), high individual cost fighters like the N1 don't phase them: They're going to rock the cool sh__ like Saab Gripens and Dassault Rafales.

Gripens aren't actually super-high performance. They're pretty good for the money, and suffice comfortably.

Which is a pretty good place to put a 'perfectly usable, just old' fighter: around the level of a Scyk, possibly a lower-performance a-wing.

Seems more like writer of this character had a hard-on for her, and just could not stop upping the kill ratio for her "ace quality"...

Edit: or simply didn't do his homework properly before writing the darn novel.

....Y'know, when Poe did it, everybody just exclaimed about how awesome he was.

When his mom does it, though... suddenly it's because "the author had a hard-on for her" or some bull like that.

I wonder what could possibly inspire such a polarized point of view. (Hint: I know exactly what could inspire such a polarized point of view. You're not fooling anyone.)

But that's poes character trait, if he doesn't have being a good pilot then all he is is a male princess Leia with far less character development.

I haven't read the cartoon - is being a kick-arse pilot not an important character trait of her?

No princess leia became the leader of the whole republic kinda more important than a star fighter pilot.

I don't understand the dire need to make her a pilot when that was never that big a part of her character.

We're talking about Shara Bey aren't we, not Leia?

No I was talking about Poes only original trait being he's a good pilot without that he's Leia light, then we got onto how Leia should be this great pilot and I disagree because she was a great political leader.

At no point was I talking about poes mum who I know nothing about and care even less.

Hope that clears things up.

That's not how the above quote chain reads. It was about Shara being a great pilot, then you brought up Leia as a comparison with Poe's role in the films. Leia's skills aren't mentioned till you bring them up. Have different threads got crossed?

Speaking of character traits, that's a fairly typical one of trolls,

they'll misquote you or take you out of context so as to give themselves

permission to have the rant they really want to have, however irrelevant it is.

Oil mazzO isn't a troll!