If I ever see one of those ugly-ass gunboats on the tabletop, I'll break those stupid 4th and 5th wings off so it's a proper lambda again. Dumbest looking POS ever.....

Dumbest looking POS ever.....

Would you like to see another ship that, from a functionality standpoint, is really, really dumb?

I didn't write "lightsabers" but "Anakin's lighsaber", and not "Star Destroyer" but "Imperial-class", just like you wrote " X-wings" not "starfighters".

You obviously don't consider prequels Star Wars, so I skip them. ANH didn't have AT-ATs, RoTJ didn't have Anakin's lightsaber, TFA didn't have ISDs. Still pretty solid Star Wars.

Sigh. I don't know why I bother sometimes. What specifically about Anakin's lightsaber do you not like? In IV and V, Anakin's lightsabers are ones we see. What specifically about Star Destroyers? We only see two types of star destroyers in the three first films.

I DO consider the prequels Star Wars - heck, I probably hold the unpopular opinion that they were pretty good. A lot of people do not. The fact that something is iconic doesn't mean it appears all the time. Darth Vader only appears in 4 movies.

If you take a Sci-Fi movie, and strip away all the stuff from Star Wars, it stops being Star Wars. The idea that X-Wings are bad because the galaxy should have moved on is nonsensical and actually not based on any real reasoning.

I brought up Anakin's lightsaber, because it is undoubtely iconic, yet it was substituted with a new lightsaber in Jedi and it did the movie no harm. Besides a different hilt, the blade was green! Can you imagines that! Suddenly there are more colours than blue and red! How awesome is that?

I believe that, just like this lighsaber, X-wings can and should be replaced by a new starfighter. Time to stop riding on iconic designs and try to create something worthy of becoming iconic by itself some day.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars. I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars. I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Battle of Fates music.

Obviously this is getting nowhere. I think the best course of action here is to agree to disagree and stop this off-topic.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars. I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Battle of Fates music.

Good call.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars . I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Clearly movie quality wise, TFA was the shittiest of all the episodes so far, clearly.

Jar-Jar was iconic, whether you like him or not, (I loved him), clearly.

Queen Amidala is iconic,

Darth Maul is now iconic.

Clearly the N1 Starfighter of Naboo is iconic,

So there is loads recognizable and i disagree with your "clearly"statement.

Edit; TFA is imo clearly the most boring of all episodes, with nothing new added, and bad acting galore...

As out of place as jar-jar was,he still was far better than most of the characters in the last movie.. Oh how far we have fallen.

So this is how Star Trek fans feel.

As out of place as jar-jar was,he still was far better than most of the characters in the last movie.. Oh how far we have fallen.

you disgust me

I found that the prequel story was better told by Star Wars Lego.

As out of place as jar-jar was,he still was far better than most of the characters in the last movie.. Oh how far we have fallen.

you disgust me

We had the Jeffrey Dahmer of the Dark side.(he was such a nice quiet boy). We had Han's go.. hey JR, I know you want to kill me and I'm not leaving until you do.

We had the Space Ball vacuum suck the life out of the sun. And that was just the thing's that wasn't a carbon copy of the first Movie ever made. Yeah Jar-Jar would of been the topper of disappointment in the film had they shown him.

The reason the first 3 movies worked so well was the light and dark sides had equal screen time.. or close to it.. Yeah we got bug eyed teddy bears, but we also had an epic space battle... we can only hope that they improve on the next films but the last one despite having one good moment gave us hope that Star Wars lives.

Oh and the good moment was when the storm trooper didn't back down to some kid with a lightsaber.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars . I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Clearly movie quality wise, TFA was the shittiest of all the episodes so far, clearly.

Jar-Jar was iconic, whether you like him or not, (I loved him), clearly.

Queen Amidala is iconic,

Darth Maul is now iconic.

Clearly the N1 Starfighter of Naboo is iconic,

So there is loads recognizable and i disagree with your "clearly"statement.

Edit; TFA is imo clearly the most boring of all episodes, with nothing new added, and bad acting galore...

I can't tell if your joking or not. I think your serious, which worries me. TFA was much better than the prequels. Not as good as the OT, but close.

Jar Jar is a ******* disgrace. What a pile of pudu.

Amidala, no.

Maul, yes.

Naboo Star Fighter, no.

You think the TFA had bad acting, you clearly don't know what bad acting is. The only really good acting in the prequels was Euan McGregor, and he was working with some terrible dialogue. Sure, John Boyega and Daisy Ridley were a little rusty, but they did a fantastic job, sold the part and made for a good movie. Oscar Isaac didn't do enough to get much credit from me and Harrison Ford war excellent.

I liked the new movie.

I wanted ships shooting each other.

I couldn't care less about the acting.

We had a Firefly moment where Han met up with the Irish and Chinese mafia

Ah, Antidote.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars . I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Clearly movie quality wise, TFA was the shittiest of all the episodes so far, clearly.

Jar-Jar was iconic, whether you like him or not, (I loved him), clearly.

Queen Amidala is iconic,

Darth Maul is now iconic.

Clearly the N1 Starfighter of Naboo is iconic,

So there is loads recognizable and i disagree with your "clearly"statement.

Edit; TFA is imo clearly the most boring of all episodes, with nothing new added, and bad acting galore...

I can't tell if your joking or not. I think your serious, which worries me. TFA was much better than the prequels. Not as good as the OT, but close.

Jar Jar is a ******* disgrace. What a pile of pudu.

Amidala, no.

Maul, yes.

Naboo Star Fighter, no.

You think the TFA had bad acting, you clearly don't know what bad acting is. The only really good acting in the prequels was Euan McGregor, and he was working with some terrible dialogue. Sure, John Boyega and Daisy Ridley were a little rusty, but they did a fantastic job, sold the part and made for a good movie. Oscar Isaac didn't do enough to get much credit from me and Harrison Ford war excellent.

Seriously, some people think TFA is good, other think TFA is bad or mediocre or whatever. Same for prequels. You can't really judge a movie objectively, unless you go straight by revenue.

Personally I think that Star Wars currently is such a big name that any movie will be a huge success as long as you don't do something that straight off pisses the fans (like Jar-Jar or midichlorians) regardless of its stand-alone artistic value.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars . I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Clearly movie quality wise, TFA was the shittiest of all the episodes so far, clearly.

Jar-Jar was iconic, whether you like him or not, (I loved him), clearly.

Queen Amidala is iconic,

Darth Maul is now iconic.

Clearly the N1 Starfighter of Naboo is iconic,

So there is loads recognizable and i disagree with your "clearly"statement.

Edit; TFA is imo clearly the most boring of all episodes, with nothing new added, and bad acting galore...

I can't tell if your joking or not. I think your serious, which worries me. TFA was much better than the prequels. Not as good as the OT, but close.

Jar Jar is a ******* disgrace. What a pile of pudu.

Amidala, no.

Maul, yes.

Naboo Star Fighter, no.

You think the TFA had bad acting, you clearly don't know what bad acting is. The only really good acting in the prequels was Euan McGregor, and he was working with some terrible dialogue. Sure, John Boyega and Daisy Ridley were a little rusty, but they did a fantastic job, sold the part and made for a good movie. Oscar Isaac didn't do enough to get much credit from me and Harrison Ford war excellent.

TL;DR: your opinion is fact and his opinion is wrong, right?

Seriously, some people think TFA is good, other think TFA is bad or mediocre or whatever. Same for prequels. You can't really judge a movie objectively, unless you go straight by revenue.

Personally I think that Star Wars currently is such a big name that any movie will be a huge success as long as you don't do something that straight off pisses the fans (like Jar-Jar or midichlorians) regardless of its stand-alone artistic value.

The opinion shared by the vast majority of the fandom. And professional reviewers.

Straight by revenue, TFA is the third most successful film of all time. ANH is third taking inflation into account. But let's be honest, the prequels are objectively not as good as the original trilogy or TFA.

I agree about star wars being a success regardless. As I said, I do actually like most of the prequel stuff, but to say it's not as good and as iconic as the OT is simply not true.

Yeah this thread is now a whinging thread. I'm out.

And Penguin UK clearly bases most of his opinion off of taste, thus this is a fruitless discussion.

I have my opinion, and yes I was serious, so lets leave it at that. Done with this "discussion".

And Penguin UK clearly bases most of his opinion off of taste, thus this is a fruitless discussion.

All opinion is based on peoples taste. That's how opinion works. It just so happens in this case that my taste merges with others.

But you're right, this is fruitless.

Straight by revenue, TFA is the third most successful film of all time. ANH is third taking inflation into account. But let's be honest, the prequels are objectively not as good as the original trilogy or TFA.

If ANH made (adjusted by inflation) roughly the same amount of $ as TFA I assume, since by your statement they're both rated 3rd) ANH being based on a brand new IP at the time and TFA being based on probably the most successful IP of all time, isn't that an indication that ANH was a much better movie?

I liked the new movie.

I wanted ships shooting each other.

I couldn't care less about the acting.

YUP... I did not love TFA but I do love that DAT Mouse is making **** sure FFG has the goodies coming for years now...

I think ANH is a much better movie. It's my favourite movie of all time. Then I say Empire and Jedi - although I accept a lot of people prefer Empire.

TFA was excellent, but not OT excellent. Although inflation value is not confirmed, TFA sits at around 8th of all time.

I only bring up revenue as it was mentioned by someone else.