Once before I had a query, "Y U NO GUNBOATS FFG?!?" they screamed a-teary,

So much lore, the games, squandered, rewritten, ignored,

Just U-boats, Acewing, Turrets, so bored...

Then nodding, napping, came a-buzzing, sounded funny

Was a website article, "Gunboats to arrive soon, Wave 20!" Hurry up and take my money!

Gunboats-gunboats galore,

Quotes the internet, forevermore

You. You sir.

You get the likes.

All of them.

Not sure why people continue to entertain these anti-gunboat malcontents. If you'd just stop replying to their drivel, the thread would eventually die.

I just want moar ships.

The FO and SF were lazy design choices by lucasfilm though, even if they play well on the board...

you have made a powerful enemy today

I just want moar ships.

The FO and SF were lazy design choices by lucasfilm though, even if they play well on the board...

you have made a powerful enemy today

To be fair, FFG themselves threw a little shade at the TIE/sf in the Wave IX preview article:

"it looks almost identical to the TIE/fo fighter"

I just want moar ships.

The FO and SF were lazy design choices by lucasfilm though, even if they play well on the board...

you have made a powerful enemy today

Dude, it's a TIE palette swap. a little variation on the wings would have been nice.

To be fair Darius, I can understand why the went with the iconic original TIE design with a recolour.

After all, they've got another two films to introduce more hulls/wings. No need to jump the shark right away .

To be fair Darius, I can understand why the went with the iconic original TIE design with a recolour.

After all, they've got another two films to introduce more hulls/wings. No need to jump the shark right away .

I liked the new film, but it was played too safe . It's almost a remake of ANH... :/

To be fair Darius, I can understand why the went with the iconic original TIE design with a recolour.

After all, they've got another two films to introduce more hulls/wings. No need to jump the shark right away .

I liked the new film, but it was played too safe . It's almost a remake of ANH... :/

It is just a remake/ copy, to safe, no quality whatsoever, not even in choosing the new actors

On another note, not sure if it's fitting here, but:

I would rather have this then the New TIE:

To be fair Darius, I can understand why the went with the iconic original TIE design with a recolour.

After all, they've got another two films to introduce more hulls/wings. No need to jump the shark right away .

I liked the new film, but it was played too safe . It's almost a remake of ANH... :/

It is just a remake/ copy, to safe, no quality whatsoever, not even in choosing the new actors

On another note, not sure if it's fitting here, but:

I would rather have this then the New TIE:

Just imagine if instead of X-Wings T-70 we got E-Wings... instead of TIE/FOs, we got TIE Hunters... instead of TIE/SF, we got TIE Oppressors (or TIE Sentinels). (And Kilo Ren eventually flying a TIE Defender)

For the new Star Wars fans, it would make no difference. But what a gift for us long time fans...

To be fair Darius, I can understand why the went with the iconic original TIE design with a recolour.

After all, they've got another two films to introduce more hulls/wings. No need to jump the shark right away .

I liked the new film, but it was played too safe. It's almost a remake of ANH... :/

It is just a remake/ copy, to safe, no quality whatsoever, not even in choosing the new actors

On another note, not sure if it's fitting here, but:

I would rather have this then the New TIE:

Just imagine if instead of X-Wings T-70 we got E-Wings... instead of TIE/FOs, we got TIE Hunters... instead of TIE/SF, we got TIE Oppressors (or TIE Sentinels). (And Kilo Ren eventually flying a TIE Defender)

For the new Star Wars fans, it would make no difference. But what a gift for us long time fans...

Especially with the fact that most deviations look like all the other ties. But that fits with the idea of the Empire - all uniform and no personality allowed - all big cogs in a machine. If you read the Imperial Handbook, it makes a point that no-one is unique or special. I read somewhere that a Tie Pilot is never assigned to the same ship so they can't get any attachment to it.

The fact that the TIE seems a stupid design aside (even by comparison with other in-universe ships), evolutionary design on a proven layout and/or technology is a realistic engineering approach. For a real world example look at Russian tanks: t-55 and t-62, then t-72, t-80 and t-90 plus various Chinese or Eastern Block contemporary designs.

I just want moar ships.

The FO and SF were lazy design choices by lucasfilm though, even if they play well on the board...

I would disagree. Maybe lazy, but certainly with good reason. People want Star Wars. That means X-Wings and Tie Fighters. Now X-Wings are inherently awesome (and I still prefer the battered look of the T-65s) and ties are... well... a little dull. Especially with the fact that most deviations look like all the other ties. But that fits with the idea of the Empire - all uniform and no personality allowed - all big cogs in a machine. If you read the Imperial Handbook, it makes a point that no-one is unique or special. I read somewhere that a Tie Pilot is never assigned to the same ship so they can't get any attachment to it.

The Rebels and scum on the other hand lend themselves to different ships, cobbling together what they can manage and encouraging pilots to personalise their craft.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I completely understand the desire for some variation from the imperials - all the ships worth flying are generally ties. But I also understand why the movies went with Tie Fighters.

So sootnir fel paints his kills on all his TIE interceptors just so some alpha squadron pilot can fly it next time.... XD (referencing the alt art card.).

Wave Nine is MEH in favor of some old-ass ship from the 90's that you have formed a cult around

There's a huge difference between a ship with the weight and developmental planing of decades behind it

I think that's adding a little bit too much credit. The gunboat is 20 years old, not 20 years of development. For all you know, people spent more time thinking about the Shadow Caster than they did about the gunboat. Just because it's been around longer, does not mean it is better.

Okay, I'll give you that, maybe the Star Trek design team did put a lot of thought into the Shadow Caster.

Ooh, of course, it looks like a Star Trek ship . The gunboat, however, is one of the finest pieces of design there is. Nothing like a brick with wings.

Regardless, to say the gunboat has had lots of design time and effort put into it is speculation at best.

I think you mean Firefly . In case you think it's a coincidence, who is Ketsu Onyo's voice actress?

I just want moar ships.

The FO and SF were lazy design choices by lucasfilm though, even if they play well on the board...

I would disagree. Maybe lazy, but certainly with good reason. People want Star Wars. That means X-Wings and Tie Fighters. Now X-Wings are inherently awesome (and I still prefer the battered look of the T-65s) and ties are... well... a little dull. Especially with the fact that most deviations look like all the other ties. But that fits with the idea of the Empire - all uniform and no personality allowed - all big cogs in a machine. If you read the Imperial Handbook, it makes a point that no-one is unique or special. I read somewhere that a Tie Pilot is never assigned to the same ship so they can't get any attachment to it.

The Rebels and scum on the other hand lend themselves to different ships, cobbling together what they can manage and encouraging pilots to personalise their craft.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I completely understand the desire for some variation from the imperials - all the ships worth flying are generally ties. But I also understand why the movies went with Tie Fighters.

So sootnir fel paints his kills on all his TIE interceptors just so some alpha squadron pilot can fly it next time.... XD (referencing the alt art card.).

I would expect ace imperial pilots to be exceptions to the norm, but a fair point.

I always imagined that the standard tie ln was flown by multiple pilots... because pilots have to sleep, and the tie fighter can keep flying all week if you replace the pilot every so often. So after an 8 hour combat patrol, tie comes home to dock, the pilot is helped out the top hatch by another pilot, who then climbs in and adjusts the seat, and flies off while the first pilot is looking for a shower.

I just want moar ships.

The FO and SF were lazy design choices by lucasfilm though, even if they play well on the board...

Indeed. No reason for those to still be frontline fighters (even i they changed them just enough so that they could say "No, they are not the same" Logic dictates that resistance fighter should look more like alater model such as the A wing than an X wing and that the TIE should at least have had the bent wings that seemed to become standard across the board

I know the imperials have no regards for their basic pilots' lives but flying non stop without maintenance is a recipe for disaster.

It sounds more like an attempt to rationalize in-universe why the common TIE pilots are so bad that a swarm if them can barely scratch the paint of a YT-1300 freighter.

On a slightly tangential note, this raises a big mystery of the new canon, though I admit I have not gone that much into it.

If the new order is just the latest in the line of tropes of hidden Sith Empires coming back for vengeance, why aren't their fighters much better? They've had 30 years to develop in secret, presumably while studying Republic patterns. SWTOR covers this pretty well but it's not really explained in new canon.

Because Star Wars is a fairytale universe. Same reason the Elves in Lord of the Rings are not shooting laser pew pews at Sauron 3000 years after they thought he was destroyed and Eagles still have patent on flying .

On a slightly tangential note, this raises a big mystery of the new canon, though I admit I have not gone that much into it.

If the new order is just the latest in the line of tropes of hidden Sith Empires coming back for vengeance, why aren't their fighters much better? They've had 30 years to develop in secret, presumably while studying Republic patterns. SWTOR covers this pretty well but it's not really explained in new canon.

Having watched TFA a few times, I got the impression the first order was just a rebranded Imperial remnant. Surviving members of the Empire were forced back through space by the rebellion and then the Republic. They consolidated power in a star system and formed their own territory, directly next door to the republic. They push in and fight every now and then, but the republic refuses to publicly fight back for fear of escalation.

The resistance is an offshoot who actuvely fight against the FO, taciturnly protected and supported by the republic, but not officially, so the republic has deniability.

You have to admit, the 'good post', 'bad post' posts are rather spammy.

Whatever!

YEAH... GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID (AND POORLY DONE!!!) STAR WARS SPACE SHIP PICTURES WHICH YOU ARE DETERMINED TO CONTINUALLY POST HERE AT THE STAR WARS SPACESHIP GAMES FORUM!!!

I DO NOT LIKE SEEING ADORABLE LITTLE SPACESHIPS AND THE PILOTS IN THEM ON HERE. I WANT TO JUST SEE TEXT AND NUMERALS!!!

SCREW YOU JOE BOSS!!!

TIE Fighter is a worthless old game, its legacy deserving to be forgotten, it's storyline and starships be wiped out of Star Wars lore.

Why should this miniature game pay any homage to it at all? Much better to embrace the glorious new stuff Disney churns out in their cartoons, remakes and mobile apps.

• "Best Game of the Year", Strategy Plus
• Listed in Computer Gaming World's "Hall of Fame".
• Listed in GameSpot's "Greatest Games of all time", 2004.
• Listed in IGN's "Hall of Fame", 2007.
• First place in PC Gamer's "Top 50 Greatest Games of All Time", 1997.
• Third and second places in IGN's "Top 25 games of all time", 2007 and 2009.
• "Best Star Wars game ever made", IGN, 2010

If I never see a Gunboat on the table, it will be to soon. From what I have seen, this nonsense of a Gunboat is nothing more than a poorly conceived attempt to see if a few can sway the game designers. The reason for my belief is this... Totally random questions are being inserted with Gunboat bs... Someone asks about Auto-Thrusters and in no time at all there appears a comment.... Well if we had a Gunboat... Really.. I get it if someone has a passion for something, but keep it in its thread. A lot of newer players have legitimate questions and don't need to be confused with something that is totally off topic... You know like a Gunboat.

You shut your mouth and like the Assault Gunboat and TIE Avenger like the rest of us.

You've inspired me to start mentioning them when they're not relevant to the discussion, that's a great idea that I hadn't thought of.

So you'll be inserting more useless drivel than normal?

Sick and **** tired of hearing about this stupid ship.

You do realize, don't you, that the bigger the fuss you make about disliking the craft, the more some people will make sure to mention it just to spite you? Not that I approve of such behavior, of course, but I've been on enough forums to recognize where this leads.

TIE Fighter is a worthless old game, its legacy deserving to be forgotten, it's storyline and starships be wiped out of Star Wars lore.

Why should this miniature game pay any homage to it at all? Much better to embrace the glorious new stuff Disney churns out in their cartoons, remakes and mobile apps.

• "Best Game of the Year", Strategy Plus
• Listed in Computer Gaming World's "Hall of Fame".
• Listed in GameSpot's "Greatest Games of all time", 2004.
• Listed in IGN's "Hall of Fame", 2007.
• First place in PC Gamer's "Top 50 Greatest Games of All Time", 1997.
• Third and second places in IGN's "Top 25 games of all time", 2007 and 2009.
• "Best Star Wars game ever made", IGN, 2010

On a slightly tangential note, this raises a big mystery of the new canon, though I admit I have not gone that much into it.

If the new order is just the latest in the line of tropes of hidden Sith Empires coming back for vengeance, why aren't their fighters much better? They've had 30 years to develop in secret, presumably while studying Republic patterns. SWTOR covers this pretty well but it's not really explained in new canon.

Having watched TFA a few times, I got the impression the first order was just a rebranded Imperial remnant. Surviving members of the Empire were forced back through space by the rebellion and then the Republic. They consolidated power in a star system and formed their own territory, directly next door to the republic. They push in and fight every now and then, but the republic refuses to publicly fight back for fear of escalation.

The resistance is an offshoot who actuvely fight against the FO, taciturnly protected and supported by the republic, but not officially, so the republic has deniability.

If I remember my forum rumors right than the EU explains that the first order is a republic supported organisation, supported by the centralist of the about half the republic's senate. The other half are basically separatists who wants more independence for their systems. TFA is basically TPM, they just don't show the political crap and give is bob instead of Darth as main antagonist.

Yeah that TIE Aggressor is nice. I dunno, I remember someone posted the new TIE concept, and it looked amazing, made the TIE/FO look well... too safe is a good one. I do like the T-70 with the way the S-foils work, and I am dreaming of a T-80 or 85 which (and I talked with JBR7 about this too) is basically a forward swept wing X-wing, Kinda like a cross between the conquest X-30 crossed with an x-wing, complete with the slightly shorter hull. To me that would be gorgeous. Now, I will say the SF is a cool concept, but a special forces fighter needs to do more than carry two pilots. It needs versatility.

The ability to use a hyperdrive, mount atmospheric operations equally to in space, have good range and land just about anywhere, at a decent cost. The ability to excel at assault, recon, escort and in direst need even space superiority.

The Empire could do with a ship like that. Can anyone name one?