OOoo, look, the childish meme's now come to the fore... meh,

Jar Jar has his fans regardless.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars . I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Clearly movie quality wise, TFA was the shittiest of all the episodes so far, clearly.

Jar-Jar was iconic, whether you like him or not, (I loved him), clearly.

Queen Amidala is iconic,

Darth Maul is now iconic.

Clearly the N1 Starfighter of Naboo is iconic,

So there is loads recognizable and i disagree with your "clearly"statement.

Edit; TFA is imo clearly the most boring of all episodes, with nothing new added, and bad acting galore...

I can't tell if your joking or not. I think your serious, which worries me. TFA was much better than the prequels. Not as good as the OT, but close.

Jar Jar is a ******* disgrace. What a pile of pudu.

Amidala, no.

Maul, yes.

Naboo Star Fighter, no.

You think the TFA had bad acting, you clearly don't know what bad acting is. The only really good acting in the prequels was Euan McGregor, and he was working with some terrible dialogue. Sure, John Boyega and Daisy Ridley were a little rusty, but they did a fantastic job, sold the part and made for a good movie. Oscar Isaac didn't do enough to get much credit from me and Harrison Ford war excellent.

TL;DR: your opinion is fact and his opinion is wrong, right?

Seriously, some people think TFA is good, other think TFA is bad or mediocre or whatever. Same for prequels. You can't really judge a movie objectively, unless you go straight by revenue.

Personally I think that Star Wars currently is such a big name that any movie will be a huge success as long as you don't do something that straight off pisses the fans (like Jar-Jar or midichlorians) regardless of its stand-alone artistic value.

The opinion shared by the vast majority of the fandom. And professional reviewers.

Straight by revenue, TFA is the third most successful film of all time. ANH is third taking inflation into account. But let's be honest, the prequels are objectively not as good as the original trilogy or TFA.

I agree about star wars being a success regardless. As I said, I do actually like most of the prequel stuff, but to say it's not as good and as iconic as the OT is simply not true.

30 years of advertising, it started bringing profits even before November.

Still TFA is a failure. "Not that new hope" is the correct name for it.

Prequels at least were original . Not a rehash of the same plot with fresh faces.

and TFA also has jar-jar.

30 years of advertising, it started bringing profits even before November.

Still TFA is a failure. "Not that new hope" is the correct name for it.

Prequels at least were original . Not a rehash of the same plot with fresh faces.

and TFA also has jar-jar.

By what metric do you feel TFA is a failure. Lack of originality - because being original worked really well for the prequels. I admit, Starkiller base was a bit much, but the rest was good. It was well received by critics, I would feel that the general response of fans was positive, it certainly brought a whole new group of fans into the franchise. As for new faces, it was nice to see a selection of new characters, brought nicely into the film with some old ones to keep continuity and provide fan service. And they were all better than mopey Anakin.

What do you mean by Jar Jar - I assume you mean some silly character you dislike, but I can't think of who you're referring to off the top of my head.

30 years of advertising, it started bringing profits even before November.

Still TFA is a failure. "Not that new hope" is the correct name for it.

Prequels at least were original . Not a rehash of the same plot with fresh faces.

and TFA also has jar-jar.

By what metric do you feel TFA is a failure. Lack of originality - because being original worked really well for the prequels. I admit, Starkiller base was a bit much, but the rest was good. It was well received by critics, I would feel that the general response of fans was positive, it certainly brought a whole new group of fans into the franchise. As for new faces, it was nice to see a selection of new characters, brought nicely into the film with some old ones to keep continuity and provide fan service. And they were all better than mopey Anakin.

Rey is one of the most Mary Sue protagonists I have ever seem in a movie. On her first flight ever she outflew several professional and formally trained pilots and without ever touching a lightsaber before she managed to best Kyle Ren (even though he was wounded, it still stretches credibility IMO).

Finn's motivations seem very weak to me. He deserts because he doesn't want to kill,but he has no qualms about slaughtering his own comrades.

Kylo Ren sends more emo kid vibes than dark Lord ones.

The whole 'First Order' and ' Supreme Leader Snoke' thing seems very cartoony and lacks almost any kind of depth as a villain, IMO at least.

EDIT: I actually enjoyed watching TFA. It was Star Wars, and it wasn't bad. I am however convinced that without the Star Wars brand backing it TFA would never be more than a mediocre SF,more famous for starring Harrison Ford than for anything that actually happens in the movie.

30 years of advertising, it started bringing profits even before November.

Still TFA is a failure. "Not that new hope" is the correct name for it.

Prequels at least were original . Not a rehash of the same plot with fresh faces.

and TFA also has jar-jar.

By what metric do you feel TFA is a failure. Lack of originality - because being original worked really well for the prequels. I admit, Starkiller base was a bit much, but the rest was good. It was well received by critics, I would feel that the general response of fans was positive, it certainly brought a whole new group of fans into the franchise. As for new faces, it was nice to see a selection of new characters, brought nicely into the film with some old ones to keep continuity and provide fan service. And they were all better than mopey Anakin.

Not addressed to me,but regardless.

Rey is one of the most Mary Sue protagonists I have ever seem in a movie. On her first flight ever she outflew several professional and formally trained pilots and without ever touching a lightsaber before she managed to best Kyle Ren (even though he was wounded, it still stretches credibility IMO).

Finn's motivations seem very weak to me. He deserts because he doesn't want to kill,but he has no qualms about slaughtering his own comrades.

Kylo Ren sends more emo kid vibes than dark Lord ones.

The whole 'First Order' and ' Supreme Leader Snoke' thing seems very cartoony and lacks almost any kind of depth as a villain, IMO at least.

Finn doesn't have a problem with killing, he has a problem killing for a terrorist nazi like regime that would slaughter civilians simply because a guy with a usb device decided to make a stop in their village. That's what sets him off on his path. He decided "Nope, these guys are crazy, and I have to get away from them." and when they catch up with him, of course he's going to shoot and kill them.

The first order is basically a rehash of the empire, with pretty much the same goals. But I guess the empire did lack allot as a Villian in A New Hope. Sure they had a presence, but basically all we see them do is hijack a ship, take a prisoner to a base, blow up a planet, and have a really epic space battle at the end with the good guys.(don't even try to justify the empire with ESB or ROTJ, mainly because we don't have Episodes 8 or 9 yet.)

Snoke is basically palpatine this time around, but did we know everything about him in OT within the first movie? no, we didn't even know Palpatine existed until Empire, and even then he was a very vague figure until ROTJ. One thing I do like about the pre quels is that we get some more backstory on him and see his rise to power. So including Snoke, even if he is some bad CGI lighting hologram, has potential to pay off in later films, because at this point we have at least established the character as Kylo Ren's master.

I mean, i'm not saying the movie is perfect, there are a couple of things that could have been done better. you did watch the movie right?

If I never see a Gunboat on the table, it will be to soon. From what I have seen, this nonsense of a Gunboat is nothing more than a poorly conceived attempt to see if a few can sway the game designers. The reason for my belief is this... Totally random questions are being inserted with Gunboat bs... Someone asks about Auto-Thrusters and in no time at all there appears a comment.... Well if we had a Gunboat... Really.. I get it if someone has a passion for something, but keep it in its thread. A lot of newer players have legitimate questions and don't need to be confused with something that is totally off topic... You know like a Gunboat.

You, are a starwars noob if you cannot appreciate the gunboat

I am not trying to be mean but this has gone to far and even Happy Teddy Bear Joe is getting aggravated by it all.

I mean when you are poo pooing the official products which are THE BEST STAR WARS MODELS AND GAMES ON EARTH... and why: because you want some old ship that is not even in the recognized official cannon... dat is just to much.

DAMS...

Nah BS Joe you gon too far

I am not trying to be mean but this has gone to far and even Happy Teddy Bear Joe is getting aggravated by it all.

I mean when you are poo pooing the official products which are THE BEST STAR WARS MODELS AND GAMES ON EARTH... and why: because you want some old ship that is not even in the recognized official cannon... dat is just to much.

DAMS...

Nah BS Joe you gon too far

HEL-NAHS!

If I never see a Gunboat on the table, it will be to soon. From what I have seen, this nonsense of a Gunboat is nothing more than a poorly conceived attempt to see if a few can sway the game designers. The reason for my belief is this... Totally random questions are being inserted with Gunboat bs... Someone asks about Auto-Thrusters and in no time at all there appears a comment.... Well if we had a Gunboat... Really.. I get it if someone has a passion for something, but keep it in its thread. A lot of newer players have legitimate questions and don't need to be confused with something that is totally off topic... You know like a Gunboat.

You, are a starwars noob if you cannot appreciate the gunboat

A shame though that people have to start insulting people just to continue the argument.

Finn doesn't have a problem with killing, he has a problem killing for a terrorist nazi like regime that would slaughter civilians simply because a guy with a usb device decided to make a stop in their village. That's what sets him off on his path. He decided "Nope, these guys are crazy, and I have to get away from them." and when they catch up with him, of course he's going to shoot and kill them.

The first order is basically a rehash of the empire, with pretty much the same goals. But I guess the empire did lack allot as a Villian in A New Hope. Sure they had a presence, but basically all we see them do is hijack a ship, take a prisoner to a base, blow up a planet, and have a really epic space battle at the end with the good guys.(don't even try to justify the empire with ESB or ROTJ, mainly because we don't have Episodes 8 or 9 yet.)

Snoke is basically palpatine this time around, but did we know everything about him in OT within the first movie? no, we didn't even know Palpatine existed until Empire, and even then he was a very vague figure until ROTJ. One thing I do like about the pre quels is that we get some more backstory on him and see his rise to power. So including Snoke, even if he is some bad CGI lighting hologram, has potential to pay off in later films, because at this point we have at least established the character as Kylo Ren's master.

I mean, i'm not saying the movie is perfect, there are a couple of things that could have been done better. you did watch the movie right?

Yeah but Fin knows the people hes killing are conditioned like he was, and he shows no sympathy for them.

Finn doesn't have a problem with killing, he has a problem killing for a terrorist nazi like regime that would slaughter civilians simply because a guy with a usb device decided to make a stop in their village. That's what sets him off on his path. He decided "Nope, these guys are crazy, and I have to get away from them." and when they catch up with him, of course he's going to shoot and kill them.

The first order is basically a rehash of the empire, with pretty much the same goals. But I guess the empire did lack allot as a Villian in A New Hope. Sure they had a presence, but basically all we see them do is hijack a ship, take a prisoner to a base, blow up a planet, and have a really epic space battle at the end with the good guys.(don't even try to justify the empire with ESB or ROTJ, mainly because we don't have Episodes 8 or 9 yet.)

Snoke is basically palpatine this time around, but did we know everything about him in OT within the first movie? no, we didn't even know Palpatine existed until Empire, and even then he was a very vague figure until ROTJ. One thing I do like about the pre quels is that we get some more backstory on him and see his rise to power. So including Snoke, even if he is some bad CGI lighting hologram, has potential to pay off in later films, because at this point we have at least established the character as Kylo Ren's master.

I mean, i'm not saying the movie is perfect, there are a couple of things that could have been done better. you did watch the movie right?

Yeah but Fin knows the people hes killing are conditioned like he was, and he shows no sympathy for them.

And he knows he'd rather die than continue to live with conditioning like that? And so has no problem ending their lives as a way of ending the brainwahing?

Or he simply redefined "us and them" from "anyone we tell you to" to "people who do stuff like you."

Finn doesn't have a problem with killing, he has a problem killing for a terrorist nazi like regime that would slaughter civilians simply because a guy with a usb device decided to make a stop in their village. That's what sets him off on his path. He decided "Nope, these guys are crazy, and I have to get away from them." and when they catch up with him, of course he's going to shoot and kill them.

The first order is basically a rehash of the empire, with pretty much the same goals. But I guess the empire did lack allot as a Villian in A New Hope. Sure they had a presence, but basically all we see them do is hijack a ship, take a prisoner to a base, blow up a planet, and have a really epic space battle at the end with the good guys.(don't even try to justify the empire with ESB or ROTJ, mainly because we don't have Episodes 8 or 9 yet.)

Snoke is basically palpatine this time around, but did we know everything about him in OT within the first movie? no, we didn't even know Palpatine existed until Empire, and even then he was a very vague figure until ROTJ. One thing I do like about the pre quels is that we get some more backstory on him and see his rise to power. So including Snoke, even if he is some bad CGI lighting hologram, has potential to pay off in later films, because at this point we have at least established the character as Kylo Ren's master.

I mean, i'm not saying the movie is perfect, there are a couple of things that could have been done better. you did watch the movie right?

Yeah but Fin knows the people hes killing are conditioned like he was, and he shows no sympathy for them.

And he knows he'd rather die than continue to live with conditioning like that? And so has no problem ending their lives as a way of ending the brainwahing?

Or he simply redefined "us and them" from "anyone we tell you to" to "people who do stuff like you."

Except some of the guys he's now fighting against were his comrades and since Finn was taken as a child to serve the Empire, largely the only beings he could have established any kind of relationship with and he throws that away in an instant.If Finn had shown any kind of reluctance in fighting other Stormtroopers or destroying the Starkiller base (on which he served), that would have made for a much less shallow character IMO.

Except some of the guys he's now fighting against were his comrades and since Finn was taken as a child to serve the Empire, largely the only beings he could have established any kind of relationship with and he throws that away in an instant.If Finn had shown any kind of reluctance in fighting other Stormtroopers or destroying the Starkiller base (on which he served), that would have made for a much less shallow character IMO.

Have we considered that that's part of Finn's character - WHO IS HE? Why is he the only trooper to defect?

Luke had no compunctions blowing up a Death Star housing a HUGE number of people. He was only going to join the academy a few days earlier.

Finn doesn't have a problem with killing, he has a problem killing for a terrorist nazi like regime that would slaughter civilians simply because a guy with a usb device decided to make a stop in their village. That's what sets him off on his path. He decided "Nope, these guys are crazy, and I have to get away from them." and when they catch up with him, of course he's going to shoot and kill them.

The first order is basically a rehash of the empire, with pretty much the same goals. But I guess the empire did lack allot as a Villian in A New Hope. Sure they had a presence, but basically all we see them do is hijack a ship, take a prisoner to a base, blow up a planet, and have a really epic space battle at the end with the good guys.(don't even try to justify the empire with ESB or ROTJ, mainly because we don't have Episodes 8 or 9 yet.)

Snoke is basically palpatine this time around, but did we know everything about him in OT within the first movie? no, we didn't even know Palpatine existed until Empire, and even then he was a very vague figure until ROTJ. One thing I do like about the pre quels is that we get some more backstory on him and see his rise to power. So including Snoke, even if he is some bad CGI lighting hologram, has potential to pay off in later films, because at this point we have at least established the character as Kylo Ren's master.

I mean, i'm not saying the movie is perfect, there are a couple of things that could have been done better. you did watch the movie right?

Yeah but Fin knows the people hes killing are conditioned like he was, and he shows no sympathy for them.

And he knows he'd rather die than continue to live with conditioning like that? And so has no problem ending their lives as a way of ending the brainwahing?

Or he simply redefined "us and them" from "anyone we tell you to" to "people who do stuff like you."

Except some of the guys he's now fighting against were his comrades and since Finn was taken as a child to serve the Empire, largely the only beings he could have established any kind of relationship with and he throws that away in an instant.If Finn had shown any kind of reluctance in fighting other Stormtroopers or destroying the Starkiller base (on which he served), that would have made for a much less shallow character IMO.

Maybe they raise him not to care about the deaths of other stormtroopers in his training. That'd Probably be a major focus of the conditioning process if you're going to raise an army of shock troops that are almost guaranteed to take major casualties in an assault. You wouldn't want those troops to have second thoughts about the death of the other troopers.

Finn's still in the process of establishing an independent persona in TFA. He might not have reached the point where he can throw off that part of his conditioning & start seeing the stormtroopers with lives worth caring about.

OOoo, look, the childish meme's now come to the fore... meh,

Jar Jar has his fans regardless.

That clumsy, almost racially-profiled-stereotyped, annoying idiot was absolutely crap on screen, and a piss poor excuse for an atempt at slapstick comedy.

The only redeeming quality is that Jar Jar was the reason we got the clone wars.

Even if it would have been much better story-telling if when Hitler rose to power, I mean when Palpatine rose to power, by manipulating a competent senator into believing what he was doing was for the good of the Republic! Instead we got Palpatine who is supposed to be a master manipulator, only manipulating a whiny boy and a complete fop into giving him complete power...what a joke!

Yeah, he totally manipulated just one person, Representative Binks who them manipulated the entire Senate or just voted 10 000 times in favour.

OOoo, look, the childish meme's now come to the fore... meh,

Jar Jar has his fans regardless.

Sorry but, Jar Jar's fans are either beyond foolish, or children.

That clumsy, almost racially-profiled-stereotyped, annoying idiot was absolutely crap on screen, and a piss poor excuse for an atempt at slapstick comedy.

Your personal opinion does not make fact, is all I will reply on the matter.

I suspect that this thread is an elaborate piece of performance art.

I found that the prequel story was better told by Star Wars Lego.

Agreed.

Also, Jar-jar was slightly less unbearable in LEGO Star Wars; mainly because he actually served a purpose.

OOoo, look, the childish meme's now come to the fore... meh,

Jar Jar has his fans regardless.

Sorry but, Jar Jar's fans are either beyond foolish, or children.

That clumsy, almost racially-profiled-stereotyped, annoying idiot was absolutely crap on screen, and a piss poor excuse for an atempt at slapstick comedy

Your personal opinion does not make fact, is all I will reply on the matter.

You are literaly the only person I have ever seen defend/like Jar Jar that isnt 9 years old.

And no it doesnt make it fact...that is my opinion.

But he was everything I said in my description of him was fact.:

He was pretty much racially stereotyped in manner of speech, and a few other things.

He was clumsy, and that among other actns such as trying to grab the fruit with his tongue at dinner was an attempt at comedy in the slapstick style. And everyone I have seen until now that again hasnt been a child hated that attempt at comedy.

He was a flat out idiot, even Quigon Jin couldnt stand him in the movie (no I dont mean the actor). So those are facts.

Yeah, he totally manipulated just one person, Representative Binks who them manipulated the entire Senate or just voted 10 000 times in favour.

But it fails to show that he actually takes the time to manipulate said people/senators. It only shows in the 2nd movie that he got Binks to suggest the military be created.

It would have been better if we had more of alpatine manipulating others in front gf the camera. But almost every Senator we saw in the movie in private/small group session with Palpatine was disgusted by him, even the deeted scenes show that they made a group of several thousand senators that were agains him. so true manipulation yeah we have some, but none that actually is as portrayed as him actively doing t himself. He uses the threat of war to convince the others, and that is convincing enough. With Jar Jar he kept pushing home other issues about not being able to do anything...which would have beennice to see it convincing others.

Finn doesn't have a problem with killing, he has a problem killing for a terrorist nazi like regime that would slaughter civilians simply because a guy with a usb device decided to make a stop in their village. That's what sets him off on his path. He decided "Nope, these guys are crazy, and I have to get away from them." and when they catch up with him, of course he's going to shoot and kill them.

The first order is basically a rehash of the empire, with pretty much the same goals. But I guess the empire did lack allot as a Villian in A New Hope. Sure they had a presence, but basically all we see them do is hijack a ship, take a prisoner to a base, blow up a planet, and have a really epic space battle at the end with the good guys.(don't even try to justify the empire with ESB or ROTJ, mainly because we don't have Episodes 8 or 9 yet.)

Snoke is basically palpatine this time around, but did we know everything about him in OT within the first movie? no, we didn't even know Palpatine existed until Empire, and even then he was a very vague figure until ROTJ. One thing I do like about the pre quels is that we get some more backstory on him and see his rise to power. So including Snoke, even if he is some bad CGI lighting hologram, has potential to pay off in later films, because at this point we have at least established the character as Kylo Ren's master.

I mean, i'm not saying the movie is perfect, there are a couple of things that could have been done better. you did watch the movie right?

Yeah but Fin knows the people hes killing are conditioned like he was, and he shows no sympathy for them.

And he knows he'd rather die than continue to live with conditioning like that? And so has no problem ending their lives as a way of ending the brainwahing?

Or he simply redefined "us and them" from "anyone we tell you to" to "people who do stuff like you."

Except some of the guys he's now fighting against were his comrades and since Finn was taken as a child to serve the Empire, largely the only beings he could have established any kind of relationship with and he throws that away in an instant.If Finn had shown any kind of reluctance in fighting other Stormtroopers or destroying the Starkiller base (on which he served), that would have made for a much less shallow character IMO.

Maybe they raise him not to care about the deaths of other stormtroopers in his training. That'd Probably be a major focus of the conditioning process if you're going to raise an army of shock troops that are almost guaranteed to take major casualties in an assault. You wouldn't want those troops to have second thoughts about the death of the other troopers.

Finn's still in the process of establishing an independent persona in TFA. He might not have reached the point where he can throw off that part of his conditioning & start seeing the stormtroopers with lives worth caring about.

So he managed to get through'don't care about innocents' conditioning but not through 'don't care about your comrades' conditioning and it's not a stretch?

If you include canon EU (wookiepedia cites 'Before the Awakening' as the source), Finn did order his squad to rescue a squadmate that had fallen behind, so he was capable of empathy towards comrades, which makes movie Finn behaviour seem 3ven more shallow.

Finn doesn't have a problem with killing, he has a problem killing for a terrorist nazi like regime that would slaughter civilians simply because a guy with a usb device decided to make a stop in their village. That's what sets him off on his path. He decided "Nope, these guys are crazy, and I have to get away from them." and when they catch up with him, of course he's going to shoot and kill them.

The first order is basically a rehash of the empire, with pretty much the same goals. But I guess the empire did lack allot as a Villian in A New Hope. Sure they had a presence, but basically all we see them do is hijack a ship, take a prisoner to a base, blow up a planet, and have a really epic space battle at the end with the good guys.(don't even try to justify the empire with ESB or ROTJ, mainly because we don't have Episodes 8 or 9 yet.)

Snoke is basically palpatine this time around, but did we know everything about him in OT within the first movie? no, we didn't even know Palpatine existed until Empire, and even then he was a very vague figure until ROTJ. One thing I do like about the pre quels is that we get some more backstory on him and see his rise to power. So including Snoke, even if he is some bad CGI lighting hologram, has potential to pay off in later films, because at this point we have at least established the character as Kylo Ren's master.

I mean, i'm not saying the movie is perfect, there are a couple of things that could have been done better. you did watch the movie right?

Yeah but Fin knows the people hes killing are conditioned like he was, and he shows no sympathy for them.

And he knows he'd rather die than continue to live with conditioning like that? And so has no problem ending their lives as a way of ending the brainwahing?

Or he simply redefined "us and them" from "anyone we tell you to" to "people who do stuff like you."

Except some of the guys he's now fighting against were his comrades and since Finn was taken as a child to serve the Empire, largely the only beings he could have established any kind of relationship with and he throws that away in an instant.If Finn had shown any kind of reluctance in fighting other Stormtroopers or destroying the Starkiller base (on which he served), that would have made for a much less shallow character IMO.

Maybe they raise him not to care about the deaths of other stormtroopers in his training. That'd Probably be a major focus of the conditioning process if you're going to raise an army of shock troops that are almost guaranteed to take major casualties in an assault. You wouldn't want those troops to have second thoughts about the death of the other troopers.

Finn's still in the process of establishing an independent persona in TFA. He might not have reached the point where he can throw off that part of his conditioning & start seeing the stormtroopers with lives worth caring about.

So he managed to get through'don't care about innocents' conditioning but not through 'don't care about your comrades' conditioning and it's not a stretch?

If you include canon EU (wookiepedia cites 'Before the Awakening' as the source), Finn did order his squad to rescue a squadmate that had fallen behind, so he was capable of empathy towards comrades, which makes movie Finn behaviour seem 3ven more shallow.

I dont think you can blame the first order brainwashing for basic fight or flight responces. If a First Order pilot is shooting at him, he's going to shoot back with all his first order-trained stormtrooper effectiveness. same thing when he runs into a gunfight at maz cantina armed with a laser sword.

How much of the prequel stuff could be considered iconic? Look, I liked the prequels, I did. But there was nothing 'inspiring' in those movies. There's nothing instantly recognisable regardless how much you like Star Wars. I bring it up because they are clearly worse movies than the original trilogy and that's part of the reason. TFA was generally very well received partially because it stuck to iconic and recognisable things.

If you want to make new and exciting things, absolutely, but either create a new IP, or do it alongside the existing stuff. We had X-wings and Y-Wings, do X-Wings and something else.

Venator and coruscant achieved pretty iconic status for me. Together with the Arc fighters, jedi starfighter and Y-Wings

And TFA was well received because people are idiots who dislike change. You can sell **** as long as it is the same **** as always, as long as people are used to it those people will eat up. Besides, TPM was well received as well. It took quite some time until people started to despise it. ;-)

"Macy, wait before the door, mesa have to do something with queeni. You sure understand. "

"WTF were you doing for hours in that room?!"

Gotta love Jar Jar.