With the upcomming wave 3 and 4, a Fleet list Re-inactment of both factions, Battle of Endor, has come closer to be realizied.

What I would find interresting is, what would you put in a 400 pts fleet list???

If you where only allowed to pick ships, titels, squadrons etc, that according to Canon (hardcore) or Legend (easy) sources was at the Battle of Endor.

So ships like the MC30 cannot be picked. Nor can you select Boba Fett or Dutch, just to mention a few.

And eventhough the Liberty at the time of writing has no known points cost to me, I would for the time being set it at a reasonable 120pts, as this should cover the ship itself + atleast one or more upgrades.

So lets have some fun and see if its even possible to make a viable list with the above restrictions.

Ask yourself what would your Endor list be and share it????

As we covered in a previous set of guesswork, at this point in time, only General Tagge for the Imperials could function as a fleet commander. As everyone else is Dead, Occupied, or Elsewhere. Mostly Dead. Tagge's presence is not explicitly allowed or disallowed.

So really, if you want to Canon it, he's you're only choice.

Ergo: Canon.

[ EMPIRE FLEET (396 points)
1 • Imperial II-class Star Destroyer - General Tagge (145)
2 • Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (120)
3 • Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (120)
4 • TIE Interceptor Squadron (11)

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

No upgrades Drass ???

No upgrades Drass ???

Not for Canon.

If you add an upgrade, you're potentially violating canon, as you can neither confirm nor exclude anything in particular.

...

Besides, at 300 points, what do you expect will survive long at that range against those Star Destroyers?

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

As we covered in a previous set of guesswork, at this point in time, only General Tagge for the Imperials could function as a fleet commander. As everyone else is Dead, Occupied, or Elsewhere. Mostly Dead. Tagge's presence is not explicitly allowed or disallowed.

So really, if you want to Canon it, he's you're only choice.

In 4 ABY, the Emperor set a trap for the Rebel Alliance, using his presence aboard the second Death Star while it underwent construction over the forest moon of Endor as bait.[7] Screed was among the Imperial commanders who participated in the Battle of Endor.[6] However, the battle went against the Empire; the Death Star was destroyed and Emperor Palpatine was killed.[7] - Wookiepedia

As we covered in a previous set of guesswork, at this point in time, only General Tagge for the Imperials could function as a fleet commander. As everyone else is Dead, Occupied, or Elsewhere. Mostly Dead. Tagge's presence is not explicitly allowed or disallowed.

So really, if you want to Canon it, he's you're only choice.

In 4 ABY, the Emperor set a trap for the Rebel Alliance, using his presence aboard the second Death Star while it underwent construction over the forest moon of Endor as bait.[7] Screed was among the Imperial commanders who participated in the Battle of Endor.[6] However, the battle went against the Empire; the Death Star was destroyed and Emperor Palpatine was killed.[7] - Wookiepedia

Canon or Legends Tab?

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

I miscounted!

Madine, Ackbar, Mon Mothma

As we covered in a previous set of guesswork, at this point in time, only General Tagge for the Imperials could function as a fleet commander. As everyone else is Dead, Occupied, or Elsewhere. Mostly Dead. Tagge's presence is not explicitly allowed or disallowed.

So really, if you want to Canon it, he's you're only choice.

In 4 ABY, the Emperor set a trap for the Rebel Alliance, using his presence aboard the second Death Star while it underwent construction over the forest moon of Endor as bait.[7] Screed was among the Imperial commanders who participated in the Battle of Endor.[6] However, the battle went against the Empire; the Death Star was destroyed and Emperor Palpatine was killed.[7] - Wookiepedia

Canon or Legends Tab?

Fair - He doesn't exist in canon which is a pretty big deterrent to having participated in a battle.

As we covered in a previous set of guesswork, at this point in time, only General Tagge for the Imperials could function as a fleet commander. As everyone else is Dead, Occupied, or Elsewhere. Mostly Dead. Tagge's presence is not explicitly allowed or disallowed.

So really, if you want to Canon it, he's you're only choice.

In 4 ABY, the Emperor set a trap for the Rebel Alliance, using his presence aboard the second Death Star while it underwent construction over the forest moon of Endor as bait.[7] Screed was among the Imperial commanders who participated in the Battle of Endor.[6] However, the battle went against the Empire; the Death Star was destroyed and Emperor Palpatine was killed.[7] - Wookiepedia

Canon or Legends Tab?

Fair - He doesn't exist in canon which is a pretty big deterrent to having participated in a battle.

I was genuinely interested! I enjoy being wrong! Means I've learned something....

So, that will establish for the Framework, regardless... If you go by a Legends telling of the Battle of Endor, then one of your Commander Choices for the Imperials is Admiral Screed...

Choice is good!

I dubbed a Canon list as hardcore, as there is obvious less choice.

While a Legends list should in comparison be easy, as you have more choice.

So feel free to label your list as Canon or Legends, as this whould save some arguments

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

I miscounted!

Madine, Ackbar, Mon Mothma

I somehow always imagined that Mon Mothma was not onboard any of the ships of the strike force that attacked the second Death Star, as the mission was hazardous and potentially loosing not alone the main part of the Rebel Fleet, but one of the Rebel movements top ranking leaders, would be a double blow, one should not risk.

But as there is no evidence fore or against it, I will let it slip for now

Upgrades: all ship titles are allowed except Tantive IV. All named Rebel pilots are allowed except Dash Rendar (The Millenium Falcon represents Lando). Named Bounty Hunters are not allowed, with the possible exception of IG88. All Imperial unique squadrons are allowed except Darth Vader.

Speaking of whom, in the interest of game balance we must assume Darth Vader had at least some limited control over the setup and ambush portions of the battle, so I am actually entirely OK with him being the Commander. If he is destroyed, assume that this represents his death. During the Clone Wars cartoon, we see numerous instances of Anakin Skywalker commanding forces remotely and there's no reason to believe he would be incapable of doing so from the Emperor's throne room.

I was

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

I miscounted!

Madine, Ackbar, Mon Mothma

I was

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

I miscounted!

Madine, Ackbar, Mon Mothma

Cracken was also there

Yes, but as Gunner in the Falcon, he was not commanding. He was shooting.

Upgrades: all ship titles are allowed except Tantive IV. All named Rebel pilots are allowed except Dash Rendar (The Millenium Falcon represents Lando). Named Bounty Hunters are not allowed, with the possible exception of IG88. All Imperial unique squadrons are allowed except Darth Vader.

Speaking of whom, in the interest of game balance we must assume Darth Vader had at least some limited control over the setup and ambush portions of the battle, so I am actually entirely OK with him being the Commander. If he is destroyed, assume that this represents his death. During the Clone Wars cartoon, we see numerous instances of Anakin Skywalker commanding forces remotely and there's no reason to believe he would be incapable of doing so from the Emperor's throne room.

I would have to disagree on some of them, Dutch for instance where already dead for 4 years, Salvation was already destroyed, Han Solo not allowed because he was to busy shooting first at stormtroopers, Vader was already in the Death Star throne room before the battle began being kept to busy with Luke. Jan Ors or Nym has nothing on record that would suggest that they where even near Endor etc.

This whole execise is to make people do some Fun research into the whole Battle of Endor thing, while at the same time trying to make a workable 400pts fleet list.

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Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

I miscounted!

Madine, Ackbar, Mon Mothma

Cracken was also there

Yes, but as Gunner in the Falcon, he was not commanding. He was shooting.

If I'm remembering Lost Stars correctly, then Rieekan was at the Battle of Endor. But I think he was onboard the Liberty when the Death Star destroyed it.

I was

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

I miscounted!

Madine, Ackbar, Mon Mothma

Cracken was also there

Yes, but as Gunner in the Falcon, he was not commanding. He was shooting.

If I'm remembering Lost Stars correctly, then Rieekan was at the Battle of Endor. But I think he was onboard the Liberty when the Death Star destroyed it.

Good. Don't need anymore of his zombie-lord crap.

I was

Once wave 4 hits I'm planning on doing a big 600pt Endor game... though the entire time I'll be cursing that Admiral Piett isn't there since as someone mentioned, all currently available Imperial Admirals (Except Screed) explicitly were not there whereas the Rebels get 4 different options.

Ackbar and Madine is kind of obvious for me, but who are the other two???

I miscounted!

Madine, Ackbar, Mon Mothma

Cracken was also there

Yes, but as Gunner in the Falcon, he was not commanding. He was shooting.

If I'm remembering Lost Stars correctly, then Rieekan was at the Battle of Endor. But I think he was onboard the Liberty when the Death Star destroyed it.

Good. Don't need anymore of his zombie-lord crap.

But he continued commanding for several minutes as his particles slowly dispersed.

Due to OCD tendencies I've thought about this question quite a bit! Within each movie shot, I'll call out several tiers of "existence":

Certain existence- screen characters are explicitly on the ship

Prominent existence- ship is featured in some way or feature in a major shot featuring proper motion control movement. For numbers, I'm counting the minimum number of ships necessary to reconstruct all movie scenes sans copy/pasters (see below)

Copy/paste existence- obviously fillers done in post production to make space "fuller" as panning/zooming camera does not change perspective on said ship. Some of these jobs are so bad its easier to consider those ships to be mistakes rather than canon (the CR90 that's 50 meters long underneath the broadsiding neb-b in RotJ that's mysteriously static, the 9+ neb-b stickers in the panning shot of the CR90 over endor)

Certain:

Home One

Lando Millenium Falcon

Executor

DSII

Wedge X-wing

Kamikaze A-wing

Prominent:

2 x Neb-B (seen hyperspacing from Sullust), including redemption (they're heading for the medical frigate!)

1 x Liberty (seen hyperspacing from Sullust/being destroyed by DSII/being attacked by tie fighters)

1 x Wingless Liberty (seen flying off starboard of Home One on Sullust establishing shot)

3 x CR90 (seen hyperspacing from Sullust)

1 x Brahtok gunship (seen in Home One pan shot at sullust and next to CR90 during Endor bow shot of CR90)

4(?) x GR75 (seen from various angles at Sullust)

1 x Anonymous Home One type MC80 (seen destroyed by DSII)

2 x Wingless Liberty (one of which may be same ship as above- seen from Ackbar's window when he commands concentrate fire on SSD)

5 x-wings

4 b-wings

4 a-wings

2 y-wings

20 TIE/LN

16 TIE/IN

These are the first waves of fighters that strike when grey leader says "there's too many of them!"

5(?) x ISD's used in various battle shots. I believe force.net counts 39 when we see the "It's a trap!" but this is in a gray area between prominent/copy paste.

Copy/paste

7(?) additional Neb-B's from the frontal profile. Seems to be the second most common ship at Endor

10(?) additional GR-75's. Ackbar loves him some flotillas. Seen primarily fleeing from DSII destruction

5-6(?) additional wingless Liberty MC80's. Most common MC type, apparently. Two straddle the "prominent" line as they are pretty clearly in frame as the SSD goes down. They're engine pattern can be seen pretty clearly from DSII destruction scene.

Upgrades: all ship titles are allowed except Tantive IV. All named Rebel pilots are allowed except Dash Rendar (The Millenium Falcon represents Lando). Named Bounty Hunters are not allowed, with the possible exception of IG88. All Imperial unique squadrons are allowed except Darth Vader.

Speaking of whom, in the interest of game balance we must assume Darth Vader had at least some limited control over the setup and ambush portions of the battle, so I am actually entirely OK with him being the Commander. If he is destroyed, assume that this represents his death. During the Clone Wars cartoon, we see numerous instances of Anakin Skywalker commanding forces remotely and there's no reason to believe he would be incapable of doing so from the Emperor's throne room.

Mauler Mithel died at Yavin.

I will only like this thread if someone makes a youtube video, cut with scenes from Return of the Jedi, to the original John Williams score. Oh....and It's a Trap, please?

Due to OCD tendencies I've thought about this question quite a bit! Within each movie shot, I'll call out several tiers of "existence":

Certain existence- screen characters are explicitly on the ship

Prominent existence- ship is featured in some way or feature in a major shot featuring proper motion control movement. For numbers, I'm counting the minimum number of ships necessary to reconstruct all movie scenes sans copy/pasters (see below)

Copy/paste existence- obviously fillers done in post production to make space "fuller" as panning/zooming camera does not change perspective on said ship. Some of these jobs are so bad its easier to consider those ships to be mistakes rather than canon (the CR90 that's 50 meters long underneath the broadsiding neb-b in RotJ that's mysteriously static, the 9+ neb-b stickers in the panning shot of the CR90 over endor)

Certain:

Home One

Lando Millenium Falcon

Executor

DSII

Wedge X-wing

Kamikaze A-wing

Prominent:

2 x Neb-B (seen hyperspacing from Sullust), including redemption (they're heading for the medical frigate!)

1 x Liberty (seen hyperspacing from Sullust/being destroyed by DSII/being attacked by tie fighters)

1 x Wingless Liberty (seen flying off starboard of Home One on Sullust establishing shot)

3 x CR90 (seen hyperspacing from Sullust)

1 x Brahtok gunship (seen in Home One pan shot at sullust and next to CR90 during Endor bow shot of CR90)

4(?) x GR75 (seen from various angles at Sullust)

1 x Anonymous Home One type MC80 (seen destroyed by DSII)

2 x Wingless Liberty (one of which may be same ship as above- seen from Ackbar's window when he commands concentrate fire on SSD)

5 x-wings

4 b-wings

4 a-wings

2 y-wings

20 TIE/LN

16 TIE/IN

These are the first waves of fighters that strike when grey leader says "there's too many of them!"

5(?) x ISD's used in various battle shots. I believe force.net counts 39 when we see the "It's a trap!" but this is in a gray area between prominent/copy paste.

Copy/paste

7(?) additional Neb-B's from the frontal profile. Seems to be the second most common ship at Endor

10(?) additional GR-75's. Ackbar loves him some flotillas. Seen primarily fleeing from DSII destruction

5-6(?) additional wingless Liberty MC80's. Most common MC type, apparently. Two straddle the "prominent" line as they are pretty clearly in frame as the SSD goes down. They're engine pattern can be seen pretty clearly from DSII destruction scene.

You sir, have too much time on your hands.

Fair - He doesn't exist in canon which is a pretty big deterrent to having participated in a battle.

Actually, Screed was canonized in Tarkin. However, there's no Newcanon info about his whereabouts as of ROTJ.

If I'm remembering Lost Stars correctly, then Rieekan was at the Battle of Endor. But I think he was onboard the Liberty when the Death Star destroyed it.

In the Legendsverse at least, Rieekan survived the Battle of Endor - being present pretty late in the timeline.

I somehow always imagined that Mon Mothma was not onboard any of the ships of the strike force that attacked the second Death Star, as the mission was hazardous and potentially loosing not alone the main part of the Rebel Fleet, but one of the Rebel movements top ranking leaders, would be a double blow, one should not risk.

But as there is no evidence fore or against it, I will let it slip for now

Newcanon Junior Novelization of RoTJ (Beware the Power of the Dark Side) specifically states she wasn't present unlike in Legends (I think it was The Truce At Bakura that showed her being present) - her ship did not jump into hyperspace with the others - but awaited the news - in case they failed and a rekindling of the Rebellion was needed.