This'll probably be the first wave I buy nothing.
The Fang fighter is okay in its functionality, even if it lacks heavily in the looks department.
Otherwise we've got prequel garbage, another stupid looking reverse scheme TFA Fighter with lug nuts on the wings, and something from Star Trek.
This is an "Everything is Meh" wave.
I just wish the ARC-170 had more on it's card. I mean just a focus and a target lock. And it's pretty expensive.
The more I look at it, the more I like the new Fang fighter. The only thing that bugs me about it is the Star Trek Attack Wing style paint scheme (same with the large base and the VCX).
All in all, however, I simply haven't been buying any X-Wing Ship since Wave 7 with the exception of the TAP. Conscious decision not to get scum notwithstanding (space and money), nothing's really inspired me.
This'll probably be the first wave I buy nothing.
The Fang fighter is okay in its functionality, even if it lacks heavily in the looks department.
Otherwise we've got prequel garbage, another stupid looking reverse scheme TFA Fighter with lug nuts on the wings, and something from Star Trek.
This is an "Everything is Meh" wave.
The Fang Fighter is just "okay"? For one, it's a ship with Boost and Barrel Roll....that everyone seems to require to make a ship not suck. This one has it. Also, the title is crazy good. If you are jousting someone at R1, you get +1 Evade result every time someone shoots at you. So, for every Black Squadron Crack Shot that fires...you pretty much negate their Crackshot. Even a generic can withstand a lot of damage here. Throw it on Fenn Rau and he's getting an extra evade die. This guy wants to get in your face and blast you to pieces. What's not to get excited about? It's just "okay"?
The ARC-170 is as prequel as the Z-95, the Y-wing, Firespray, and YV-666. All of those were used in the Clone Wars, but are still used today. The ARC-170 has a retrofit to make it modern. Which means it's not really a "prequel" ship. It's a Galactic Civil War ship. Just wait a year and we will surely see it in some novel, comic, or tv show. Why do people get so caught up in wanting to put the hate on something?
So did the Y-Wing and Z-95 actually show up in the prequel films?
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This'll probably be the first wave I buy nothing.
The Fang fighter is okay in its functionality, even if it lacks heavily in the looks department.
Otherwise we've got prequel garbage, another stupid looking reverse scheme TFA Fighter with lug nuts on the wings, and something from Star Trek.
This is an "Everything is Meh" wave.
The Fang Fighter is just "okay"? For one, it's a ship with Boost and Barrel Roll....that everyone seems to require to make a ship not suck. This one has it.
more like it can take thrusters
it has potential with crackshot thrusters and as a ps 1 blocker (scum A-wing; YES! )
the price needs to be right, though. if we're looking too far beyond Tie interceptor prices, no one is going to use the dang thing. fenn at least implies Tie interceptor +1, and I don't think a 22 point PS 5 would be the most horrible thing in the world (25 points of crack thrusters)
Edited by ficklegreendiceSo did the Y-Wing and Z-95 actually show up in the prequel films?
I just checked and they weren't in the actual films, but they are in The Clone Wars cartoon, which is canon.
So how can they be considered Prequel ships if they didn't actually appear in the films?
So did the Y-Wing and Z-95 actually show up in the prequel films?
The YT-1300, Firespray, and Gozanti were in the Prequel films.
So did the Y-Wing and Z-95 actually show up in the prequel films?
The YT-1300, Firespray, and Gozanti were in the Prequel films.
Boba Fett, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Luke, Leia, Palpatine, and Vader were all in those movies as well.
The ARC-170 has a retrofit to make it modern. Which means it's not really a "prequel" ship.D\
Don't play dumb. Is it a ship that first appeared in the prequels?
Yes.
Prequel garbage. Everything about the aesthetic of the prequels was garbage then, and remains garbage now. The ARC looks like the lovechild of an X-Wing, a dragonfly, and Gonzo from the Muppets.
Why do people get so caught up in wanting to put the hate on something?
Because it's awful, and the prequels are awful. Nobody wanted to hate the prequels. Quite the opposite. We wanted to love them. But they're bad. Terribad. And everything from them is bad. Without exception. Well, I take that back, John Williams put up a decent score for them. But there's still bad acting, terrible dialog, bad storytelling, and too much CGI, stupid looking ships, etc. The prequels are best left forgotten, and stuffing prequel garbage into the X-Wing game only makes it worse, because it reminds everyone how awesome Star Wars was before the prequels, and then how awful it became after they were released. X-Wing was great because it was Good Star Wars. This opens the door for Bad Star Wars. And that's bad.
So did the Y-Wing and Z-95 actually show up in the prequel films?
The YT-1300, Firespray, and Gozanti were in the Prequel films.
But, but the key distinction is that the Ywing and Z-95 weren't.
It is possible, likely even, that one or both will feature in Rebels and thus be ported (like the Gozanti). But until then they're just Clone War era craft.
The ARC-170 has a retrofit to make it modern. Which means it's not really a "prequel" ship.D\
Don't play dumb. Is it a ship that first appeared in the prequels?
Yes.
Prequel garbage. Everything about the aesthetic of the prequels was garbage then, and remains garbage now. The ARC looks like the lovechild of an X-Wing, a dragonfly, and Gonzo from the Muppets.
**** if that ain't unreasonable
if you take the ARC-170, which is just a ship, out of the context of the incredibly poor written movies, you just have a ship. Considering how little screen time the dang things had anyway, it's not like you had time to hate them
unlike the poor Naboo star fighter, which will forever be tainted with
now if it's just the aesthetics that tip you over, that's fine. We can't all have good taste
the only other thing I could understand is reservations about the "purpose" behind the design of the ARC, which was clearly to mash the X and Y together in a vain attempt to evoke OT nostalgia in the horrible Revenge of the Sith
for me, though, FFG seems to have worked its magic again to bring us one of the most gloriously silly ships since the K and I'll love it like a doting mother
Edited by ficklegreendiceEverything from the prequels is garbage just ask Mr plinkett.
talkin bout Fang Fighter
more like it can take thrusters
it has potential with crackshot thrusters and as a ps 1 blocker (scum A-wing; YES! )
the price needs to be right, though. if we're looking too far beyond Tie interceptor prices, no one is going to use the dang thing. fenn at least implies Tie interceptor +1, and I don't think a 22 point PS 5 would be the most horrible thing in the world (25 points of crack thrusters)
The pricing of the Fang Fighter generics, in my mind, is the most significant aspect of wave9. If the generics are like Tie Interceptor +1 point, they just won't get used as you can get a more durable G1A for 23 points. An aggressively priced PS5 Fang would be 20 or 21 points. FFG would sure sell more ships this way. That's what they did with the Scout Jumpmaster, meaning there's a significant chance for aggressively priced Fang Fighters.
Scum would have so many more viable 4-ship builds if Fang generics are usable.
It is highly likely Fenn Rau will be the most played pilot from the whole wave. Scum getting a viable ace is wonderful, but I want more viable generics too.
the ps 3 g1-a is not more durable than the Fang
8 health 1 agility melts to everything under the sun, while focused autothrusters are at least sturdy while thrusters are up
not to mention the ps 3 g1-a is PS 3 (not 5) and does not have access to crackshot
ofc, the fang should be priced the same or cheaper than the interceptor, because the interceptor is an inefficient P.o.S that's saved only through the bonkers ability + PS of Soontir and the great Carnor jax, but knowing FFG it simply won't be
at 25 for crack thrusters, at least it isn't horrible (poor blacksun ace)
Edited by ficklegreendiceAlphas have made nice filler. I highly doubt that the Fangs will be cheaper.
The ARC-170 has a retrofit to make it modern. Which means it's not really a "prequel" ship.D\
Don't play dumb. Is it a ship that first appeared in the prequels?
So, it's associated with the prequel movies and your hatred of the prequel movies is such that anything associated with them are forever tainted and something to be despised? OK...have fun with that.
The ARC-170 has a retrofit to make it modern. Which means it's not really a "prequel" ship.D\
Don't play dumb. Is it a ship that first appeared in the prequels?
So, it's associated with the prequel movies and your hatred of the prequel movies is such that anything associated with them are forever tainted and something to be despised? OK...have fun with that.
there is a small cynical thing that we can slightly dislike the arc for:
it was an obvious attempt to smash the X-wing and Snowspeeder together, for the purposes of evoking nostalgic ties to the far superior original trilogy.
for my money, though, I'd rather not recall the sh*tty prequels and try to make something positive out of what could've been a cool ship
cheap mash-up or not, it's a pretty spiffy looking bugger
absolutely
no idea
what the s-foils are for here, though. Then again, they weren't terribly functional on the X either
the ps 3 g1-a is not more durable than the Fang
ofc, the fang should be priced the same or cheaper than the interceptor, because the interceptor is an inefficient P.o.S that's saved only through the bonkers ability + PS of Soontir and the great Carnor jax, but knowing FFG it simply won't be
at 25 for crack thrusters, at least it isn't horrible (poor blacksun ace)
I 100% agree, Fang Fighter generics should be priced the same or cheaper than the Interceptor.
What's that you say? A ship relying on green dice for defense is more durable than a G1A
Shocking to hear that from you of allllll people!
Fang & G1A are very close defensively of course, but I still give the slight edge to G1A entirely because it has the evade action. Fang Fighter doesn't have evade & no evade is why starvipers struggle.
Best comparison for a 25 point crack thrusters Fang would be the 20 point crack thrusters A-wing.
How valuable is 3 red dice, over 2, on a somewhat squishy ship?
In the current meta, not 5 points.
I am much more excited for this wave than I thought I would be. I don't really know about the scum ships, but the arc and the tie/sf look fun to use in the game, and come with a bunch of useful upgrades for older ships. I didn't really want the arc in the game to be honest, but they've done a good job of both making it a nice addition to the game and keeping it from being a clone ship. Waiting for more cards to be spoiled, but I'm liking it so far.
For me it's quite simply the cool look of the ARC (And I hate the prequels as much as the next man.) and the options available to the SF that have me sold.
I'll even buy a Fang, but not a Shadowcaster. Hell, I don't even play Scum but the clips I've seen of the little bugger rotating its wings while it attacks has me hooked. The Shadowcaster can go right back to whatever Star Trek comic book it escaped from with my blessings.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what the unspoiled cards have to offer. Anything that gives me the chance to stand up to those damned triple U-boats in a Rebel fighter will be particularly welcome.
the ps 3 g1-a is not more durable than the Fang
8 health 1 agility melts to everything under the sun, while focused autothrusters are at least sturdy while thrusters are up
not to mention the ps 3 g1-a is PS 3 (not 5) and does not have access to crackshot
ofc, the fang should be priced the same or cheaper than the interceptor, because the interceptor is an inefficient P.o.S that's saved only through the bonkers ability + PS of Soontir and the great Carnor jax, but knowing FFG it simply won't be
at 25 for crack thrusters, at least it isn't horrible (poor blacksun ace)
If the PS1 Fang is 19 points, I think it's in a good place. Assuming that it's got a good dial, you are essentially getting an Alpha with a Hull Upgrade and Torpedo slot for a single point more.
At 19 points for the PS1, the Fang would essentially be keeping the same scaling that the Interceptor has and have better scaling than the Khiraxz has. I'm hoping it comes in at 19 points but expecting it to maybe cost 20.
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the ps 3 g1-a is not more durable than the Fang
ofc, the fang should be priced the same or cheaper than the interceptor, because the interceptor is an inefficient P.o.S that's saved only through the bonkers ability + PS of Soontir and the great Carnor jax, but knowing FFG it simply won't be
at 25 for crack thrusters, at least it isn't horrible (poor blacksun ace)
I 100% agree, Fang Fighter generics should be priced the same or cheaper than the Interceptor.
What's that you say? A ship relying on green dice for defense is more durable than a G1A
Shocking to hear that from you of allllll people!
Fang & G1A are very close defensively of course, but I still give the slight edge to G1A entirely because it has the evade action. Fang Fighter doesn't have evade & no evade is why starvipers struggle.
Best comparison for a 25 point crack thrusters Fang would be the 20 point crack thrusters A-wing.
How valuable is 3 red dice, over 2, on a somewhat squishy ship?
In the current meta, not 5 points.
For as much as people bemoan the absence of that action on those ships, I've never particularly missed it on Starvipers and Defenders. Maybe I don't use the Evade action as much as I should.
Going from a 2 red to a 3 red primary attack is easily worth 5 points. A-wings spend 5 points for a single 5 die range one shot. Why wouldn't they spend 5 points for as many 4 dice range one attacks that they can make happen before they explode?
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the ps 3 g1-a is not more durable than the Fang
8 health 1 agility melts to everything under the sun, while focused autothrusters are at least sturdy while thrusters are up
not to mention the ps 3 g1-a is PS 3 (not 5) and does not have access to crackshot
ofc, the fang should be priced the same or cheaper than the interceptor, because the interceptor is an inefficient P.o.S that's saved only through the bonkers ability + PS of Soontir and the great Carnor jax, but knowing FFG it simply won't be
at 25 for crack thrusters, at least it isn't horrible (poor blacksun ace)
If the PS1 Fang is 19 points, I think it's in a good place. Assuming that it's got a good dial, you are essentially getting an Alpha with a Hull Upgrade and Torpedo slot for a single point more.
At 19 points for the PS1, the Fang would essentially be keeping the same scaling that the Interceptor has and have better scaling than the Khiraxz has. I'm hoping it comes in at 19 points but expecting it to maybe cost 20.
20 points with title, which works when you're bumping (just gotta be arc to arc...kinky)
the ps 3 g1-a is not more durable than the Fang
ofc, the fang should be priced the same or cheaper than the interceptor, because the interceptor is an inefficient P.o.S that's saved only through the bonkers ability + PS of Soontir and the great Carnor jax, but knowing FFG it simply won't be
at 25 for crack thrusters, at least it isn't horrible (poor blacksun ace)
I 100% agree, Fang Fighter generics should be priced the same or cheaper than the Interceptor.
What's that you say? A ship relying on green dice for defense is more durable than a G1A
Shocking to hear that from you of allllll people!
Fang & G1A are very close defensively of course, but I still give the slight edge to G1A entirely because it has the evade action. Fang Fighter doesn't have evade & no evade is why starvipers struggle.
Best comparison for a 25 point crack thrusters Fang would be the 20 point crack thrusters A-wing.
How valuable is 3 red dice, over 2, on a somewhat squishy ship?
In the current meta, not 5 points.
For as much as people bemoan the absence of that action on those ships, I've never particularly missed it on Starvipers and Defenders. Maybe I don't use the Evade action as much as I should.
Going from a 2 red to a 3 red primary attack is easily worth 5 points. A-wings spend 5 points for a single 5 die range one shot. Why wouldn't they spend 5 points for as many 4 dice range one attacks that they can make happen before they explode?
Maybe I don't use the Evade action as much as I should.
nah, evade is rarely worthwhile except in two scenarios
so, in the case of the greenie A, the fact that the Fang lacks an evade is basically moot
5 points is a lot (less than the jump from academy to alpha squadron, though)... buuuuuuuuuttt motherloving t-rolls
if the dial is obscene (I mean FO-esque, except trading 2-sloops or 2-troll) then you're getting a lot more than just +1 red die