But this game doesn't need them.

Tie/SF is 2/2/3/3 and not 3/2/3/3 so it isn't quite as good as you may think and it doesn't have evade.

You might wanna read the title card.

I read it. You get the extra die if you don't want to do a second attack out the back which was the whole point of this ship.

I'd rather take a defender and even they suck right now even with an additional defence die. One of the fixes for the defender was to add a free evade.

This wave is very underwhelming to say the least.

I thought the point was that it had the option to shoot better out the front or fire twice (once out the rear arc)? I like options much better.

Also, why does it have to have an Evade action to be worth while?

My comparison:

Tie sf

Point value?

3 (with title)

2

3

3

Best upgrade slot: systems

*Rear firing arc, barrel roll

X-wing

21 points

3

2

3

3 (with IA)

Best upgrade slot: astromech

*loses mod slot for extra health, no post movement

Where the sf wins is the extra arc, a mod slot, and barrel roll. So it's a little better than an x. One more pilot skill and what I figure will be a better dial (tie fighter). Probably 23(maybe?) points. It's not a total wipe out for the x, unless the sf generic has an ept.

Tie/SF is 2/2/3/3 and not 3/2/3/3 so it isn't quite as good as you may think and it doesn't have evade.

You might wanna read the title card.

I read it. You get the extra die if you don't want to do a second attack out the back which was the whole point of this ship.

I'd rather take a defender and even they suck right now even with an additional defence die. One of the fixes for the defender was to add a free evade.

This wave is very underwhelming to say the least.

I thought the point was that it had the option to shoot better out the front or fire twice (once out the rear arc)? I like options much better.

Also, why does it have to have an Evade action to be worth while?

It IS a Tie Fighter. Tie Fighters have evade and are nimble.

Tie/SF is 2/2/3/3 and not 3/2/3/3 so it isn't quite as good as you may think and it doesn't have evade.

You might wanna read the title card.

I read it. You get the extra die if you don't want to do a second attack out the back which was the whole point of this ship.

I'd rather take a defender and even they suck right now even with an additional defence die. One of the fixes for the defender was to add a free evade.

This wave is very underwhelming to say the least.

I thought the point was that it had the option to shoot better out the front or fire twice (once out the rear arc)? I like options much better.

Also, why does it have to have an Evade action to be worth while?

It IS a Tie Fighter. Tie Fighters have evade and are nimble.

Except for this version that trades nimbleness for extra shields, weapons, and crew compliment. How is that a hard concept to grasp?

It IS a tie fighter, but if sources are to be believed, this one is a bit...special

X1 has the shields, 3 agility and evade, and everyone loves those things.

Oh wait, no they don't.

Don't you mean the ARC-170 and Y-wings?

Gotta love hyperbole.

Never heard of her.

OT: The SF is going to be expensive. Flexible, but expensive. Probably 24 points, base. EPT, but no evade to tank up with. Title seems interesting and under-costed, which might be where the issue lies.

It IS a tie fighter, but if sources are to be believed, this one is a bit...special

That was forced.

It IS a tie fighter, but if sources are to be believed, this one is a bit...special

That was forced.

especially forced

This fighter isn't just a bit better than an Xwing. It IS better, a lot better, for about the same cost. Compare the top line aces for an example, Wedge and QuickDraw are both 29 points, but QuickDraw is strictly better. In EVERY sense.

This fighter isn't just a bit better than an Xwing. It IS better, a lot better, for about the same cost. Compare the top line aces for an example, Wedge and QuickDraw are both 29 points, but QuickDraw is strictly better. In EVERY sense.

not really

QD's ability, when not built for, is a really crap version of Dengar's

the fighter's profile may be superior (but it really has to be to see any play) but the ability is nowhere near the same until you abuse it with very particular upgrade combinations

still, as stated, if the Tie/sf didn't somehow outperform a sub-par option, it'd be a sub-par option itself

This fighter isn't just a bit better than an Xwing. It IS better, a lot better, for about the same cost. Compare the top line aces for an example, Wedge and QuickDraw are both 29 points, but QuickDraw is strictly better. In EVERY sense.

Well, until Quickdraw loses his shielding, which could happen after a single attack from Wedge. Then he's just an Attack Shuttle with a 2-die rear arc and a high pilot skill.

Plus, let's not gripe about the T-65 until we have a chance to see what our new Seismic Torpedoes and R3 Astromechs will add to them.

The new tech upgrade, that comes with the Tie SF reads similar to Weapons Guidance.

When defending..

spend a... (my guess, focus) to

change... (blank)

results... (to evades)

Together with accuracy corrector, this seems great. More ships, more options. It's all good

The new tech upgrade, that comes with the Tie SF reads similar to Weapons Guidance.

When defending..

spend a... (my guess, focus) to

change... (blank)

results... (to evades)

Together with accuracy corrector, this seems great. More ships, more options. It's all good

green dice guidance

good lord knows they need it more than the red dice

The Tie/SF is a very efficient ship, so it is going make several ships in the point bracket look bad.

It is 2 points cheaper than the T70 when PS equivalent for the same stat line (but trades boost for BR).

So Quickdraw is 29 points

29 - 6 = 23

Therefore the PS3 generic Tie/sf costs 23

They are finally pricing the generics reasonably.

Sadly they screwed up generics in waves 6 & 7. RIP Starviper, Syck, Kihraxz

The PS 3 could be 22, though I can see why Quickdraw may not pay for his ability.

ACE-WING... dats who done it!

Oh wait:

= !!!

= !!!

WE ARE ALL GOOD... YEAH BABES!

"we" are all good?

please, everyone knows poe did all the work

Tie/SF just took a big dump on the T-65

"we" are all good?

please, everyone knows poe did all the work

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